The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[Endeavor]

Do you want to discuss in more detail under spoiler tags? I haven't seen it yet, but I don't mind spoilers, and I'd be interested in knowing what they might be hinting at.

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[Big Bang]

I heard Ant-Man and the Wasp is making money. Oh, and water is wet.

 

[Endeavor]

LOL

Deserves to make money. Good, funny movie with lots of action.

 

[Big Bang]

What I find funny is that my wife was asking about going to see before I realized it was out. Guess we're going to the movies tomorrow then.

 

[Smurphftw]

I wouldn't mind (and I think I'm sort of alone here) a complete three or four film series set entirely in the past... and then 'kill' them or whatever and they could disappear and be brought back at some point 20 years from now or as appropriate.

Of course the problem with that is we want to see Hulk/Thing, Torch/Spidey etc. And, of course, we need to see Dr. Doom taking on everybody - but Doom, as has been mentioned, might be able to cross-over a lot easier.

And that element would be sort of cool - establishing Doom as the ultimate bad-guy in the past then have him popping up to threaten a world that thought they were done with him.

I just don't see how that would work within the current MCU. It doesn't make much sense to me that a superhero team would be active for 3 movies in the 60's and yet no one ever talks about them in modern times. As if they had no impact on the world whatsoever. Part of the charm of the FF is they are famous and popular. Maybe one origin story in the 60's where the story takes place mostly out of the public eye, then they reappear in modern times to take the world by storm(or should I say by Storm)

 

[Big Bang]

I just don't see how that would work within the current MCU.

I trust Feige. He'll figure it out.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Anyone else notice the fact that we have Michael Keaton and Michelle Pfeiffer in the MCU now?

Maybe Danny Devito could be Mojo next.

 

[Detective Conan]

I trust Feige. He'll figure it out.

Feige can certainly figure it out but the FF are sort of like the superhero equivalent to the Beatles and even though it’s been several years since the Beatles disbanded we still reference the Beatles. In my head, if the Four did indeed exist in the 60’s, then when the Avengers were first known to the public(since the pundits/the media were reporting on the heroics of the Avengers after the Chiaturi invasion) then wouldn’t they be compared to the Fantastic Four since the Four would’ve set the precedent for a superhero team before the Avengers?

That’s why for me it doesn’t make much sense for them to exist in the 60’s. And I have a feeling Feige might agree. Perhaps before, if Marvel has access to them at the start and kicked off their universe with them instead of Iron Man then it might’ve worked but I feel the MCU is too firmly established without the FF that any attempt to say they retroactively existed in the 60’s could come across as very forced IMO.

 

[marcvader]

Is there a being in the Marvel Universe with the power to wipe the existence of the Fantastic 4 from earths collective consciousness? That’d be a way I see it going down.

 

[Zarex]

I suppose at some point in the 10 year history of the MCU a character should have connected modern day superhero exploits to their FF counterparts - "Boy that (Bruce/Tony/Peter/Wanda) is awfully (Strong/Smart/Young/Powerful)!! Just like (Ben/Reed/Johnny/Sue) back in the day!! 'Member them?!!'

But they haven't mentioned them because of Avi Arad's brilliant 90s era movie deals. So Feige and Co. can either dump all of his new toys into the present day continuity - including about a gajillion mutants - or act like they've been there the whole time and for some reason no one got around to mentioning them.

I vote for the latter. You can even lampshade the lack of pre-acquisition discussion of old timey superhero teams and mid twentieth century mutants by having a character directly address it and then never mention it again. Given how Marvel has handled the (lack of) connection between its TV and film properties, this type of continuity kerfuffle is no problem at all.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

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[Willie Lumpkin]

What I find funny is that my wife was asking about going to see before I realized it was out. Guess we're going to the movies tomorrow then.

Nice surprise for you! It crept up on me too. I think Monday or Tuesday I was noticing a bunch of chatter and looked it up and saw the reviews were already out and it was starting this weekend.

 

[Detective Conan]

Maybe Danny Devito could be Mojo next.

Or the Moleman in the first MCU Fantastic Four film! I’ve always said the way the Penquin was portrayed in Batman Returns reminded me an awful lot of the Moleman.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Anyone else notice the fact that we have Michael Keaton and Michelle Pfeiffer in the MCU now?

Maybe Danny Devito could be Mojo next.

I always thought he would be a good Moleman, but after the Penguin, it seemed like that would be too similar... in fact, I remember thinking at the time that Burton was making him into more of a Moleman than Penguin character.

 

[Detective Conan]

Speaking about Michelle Pfeiffer. I think she and Harrison Ford would make the best Sue Storm and Reed Richards respectively if a Fantastic Four movie was made in the late 80’s.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Or the Moleman in the first MCU Fantastic Four film! I’ve always said the way the Penquin was portrayed in Batman Returns reminded me an awful lot of the Moleman.

I always thought he would be a good Moleman, but after the Penguin, it seemed like that would be too similar... in fact, I remember thinking at the time that Burton was making him into more of a Moleman than Penguin character.

Cross-posted.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

My general feeling is: If audiences believe people can shrink to the size of an ant or turn green and incredibly strong, or burst into flames etc. is it really too much of a stretch to believe some superheroes existed before and nobody bothered mentioning them?

I can see trying to keep things relatively neat, but when it comes to telling a story the way they want to tell it, I'm going to let them do it and not get hung up if I have to suspend disbelief on some of the timelines.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Captain Marvel. Will she be much more secretive and the Skrulls never be known by the general public? If so, okay, they're keeping with the idea that superheroes and aliens weren't well-known prior to Iron-Man.

But if she's out and proud, that pretty much smashes any barriers to the FF. In fact, they will probably have time to throw some mentions of FF into the final cut of Captain Marvel if they want to go the retro route.

 

[Detective Conan]

I heard Ant-Man and the Wasp is making money. Oh, and water is wet.

It opened to over 11 million on the Thursday showings — that surpasses Doctor Strange on opening day( Strange ultimately opened to 90 million) I’ll be seeing Ant-Man & the Wasp with a buddy of mine today and while I normally am not that much into Ant-Man(though the first film is enjoyable) I’m mostly going to see it because I’m curious for the clues of what the fourth Avengers film will be.

 

[Detective Conan]

My general feeling is: If audiences believe people can shrink to the size of an ant or turn green and incredibly strong, or burst into flames etc. is it really too much of a stretch to believe some superheroes existed before and nobody bothered mentioning them?

I see what you did there.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I see what you did there.

I didn't.

Can you imagine being someone like Kevin Feige? If he had used a phrase like that a year ago, people would have been all over it. "Is he implying they're about to announce an FF film?!?!"

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I wonder, if he were given the choice, would Peyton Reed rather make Ant-Man 3 or Fantastic Four?

It might be interesting to see someone ask him (though it's such a loaded question, he'd probably dodge it).

 

[Detective Conan]

I didn't.

Can you imagine being someone like Kevin Feige? If he had used a phrase like that a year ago, people would have been all over it. "Is he implying they're about to announce an FF film?!?!"

People are so desperate for a good Fantastic Four film that even the tiniest phrases could be misconstrued as a hint of a FF film.

 

[marcvader]

If Reed has a vision I'd like to let him have a go at it as long as it fits somewhat. Nothing better than a film maker with a strong sense for a particular story.

 

[Detective Conan]

Minor coindence to point out but both the Ant-Man director and the Mr. Fantastic both have ‘Reed’ as either their first or last names.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If Reed has a vision I'd like to let him have a go at it as long as it fits somewhat. Nothing better than a film maker with a strong sense for a particular story.

Yeah. I absolutely LOVE David Fincher, but if it were a decision between David Fincher, with no particular interest in or knowledge of the FF, and Peyton Reed - straining at the leash to be let loose on the FF, I'd take Reed.

Ideally, I'd like to get an amazing director who's also a huge fan, but in the case of Peyton Reed, he's shown he has the basic skills, and his expressed interest in the project makes him a prime candidate to me.

There are a lot of great directors out there, but it may be hard to find one with the same balance of talent and enthusiasm that Reed is showing.