The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[Fallen]

The MCU is now at $17B and counting.

Average: 853M+

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The MCU is now at $17B and counting.

Average: 853M+

While the combined efforts of Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman couldn't even break even.

Now Thanos, Wakanda and Infinity Stones are household names.

#TeamDisney

 

[Chip Chipperson]

And soon, the X-Men will be back on top of the world

Where they belong

 

[Detective Conan]

As long as the Fantastic Four come home, I'm good.

 

[Frankeh]

I need a reboot of X-Men ASAP.

 

[Big Bang]

All things considered, that $4 Billion acquisition sure has worked out.

 

[Bach]

Funny how Sophie Turner wants to be an Avenger now.

 

[Big Bang]

Funny how Sophie Turner wants to be an Avenger now.

She wants to be part of the winning team.

 

[Fallen]

I need a reboot of X-Men ASAP.

Me too!

Imagine hearing this at full volume in a movie theater:

[YT]1JzVN0W4GhY[/YT]

 

[Xeno]

The MCU is now at $17B and counting.

Average: 853M+

Kevin Feige, with the sole producer credit on all of Marvel Studios' films, has to be the most successful Hollywood producer of the last decade.

 

[DyfeddRex]

I just realized how greedy we are now... we want them all home, and now.

The deal needs sealing, yes. But let's take it back one set of rights at a time from now on... or one studio's worth of rights.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I just realized how greedy we are now... we want them all home, and now.

The deal needs sealing, yes. But let's take it back one set of rights at a time from now on... or one studio's worth of rights.

I've allowed myself to get excited at the idea of a properly done X-Men film... but if Mephisto popped up and offered to bring FF home but X-Men would be stuck for the next 20 years... I'd take it.

 

[Boom]

Having seen Ant-Man and the Wasp, I really don't want Peyton Reed anywhere near this. It's great and all that he cares about the Fantastic Four, but so much about Ant-Man and the Wasp didn't work for me that I simply couldn't get excited for him were he to get the job.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Having seen Ant-Man and the Wasp, I really don't want Peyton Reed anywhere near this. It's great and all that he cares about the Fantastic Four, but so much about Ant-Man and the Wasp didn't work for me that I simply couldn't get excited for him were he to get the job.

What didn't work for you?

I would be open to him because he clearly has passion for it. Even if the Ant-Man films are not my favorite MCU films, having passion brings out the best in you more often than not.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Having seen Ant-Man and the Wasp, I really don't want Peyton Reed anywhere near this. It's great and all that he cares about the Fantastic Four, but so much about Ant-Man and the Wasp didn't work for me that I simply couldn't get excited for him were he to get the job.

I would be excited (perhaps partly because of the low bar that has been set?).

The tone of both Ant-Man films is a little off, and not what I'd want for an FF film, but the tone of Bring It On or Yes Man are also different than I'd want for Ant-Man and Reed showed some versatility in his ability to jump from films like that to Ant-Man.

The two big things I really like about Reed:

1. He's not afraid to be daring and create scenes consistent with the comic books even when there's the danger those things could be considered "silly". That's the complete opposite of Fox, and I think the FF needs someone who will take chances... not play it safe. The FF comic books were very daring when they came out, so I want a director who can be daring as well (and I think Reed's experience with Ant-Man may gives him more confidence to push a little farther than other directors might).

2. He clearly is a fan of FF and I can't overstate how important I feel that is. Someone can't just flip through a few issues and really get it enough to capture the most important elements. If he's a fan, he understands, on a visceral level, some of the key elements that he needs to put on screen.

I'm taking a bit of a leap of faith, because as you note, the Ant-Man films aren't exactly what I want in an FF film, but I do believe he can do it. I would be excited if he were announced (though I also trust Feige enough that if a complete unknown were announced, I would be excited as well).

... if they hire Simon Kinberg, please shoot me.

 

[Boom]

What didn't work for you?

I would be open to him because he clearly has passion for it. Even if the Ant-Man films are not my favorite MCU films, having passion brings out the best in you more often than not.

All in all, it was a very pedestrian film. Nevermind the overbearing comedy, thin narrative, and inconsequential villain (even by Marvel standards, it's bad), nothing about the movie excited me or engaged me in any way. When I wasn't bored out of my mind I was rolling my eyes. I'm typically very forgiving of Marvel's films, but this is right up there with Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World for me, in that I have zero desire to ever watch it again. Now, much of this can be chalked up to the screenplay, but as the director I do not believe Reed did anything to elevate the material.

If Reed wants to continue making small faux-comedies in the Ant-Man franchise, all the power to him. But I've seen nothing to suggest he's the best fit for a property of this scale, with one of Marvel's premier villains.

 

[1627523]

I'm not exactly married to the idea of an MCU director doing the F4. It seems a little too safe like when Lucas film brought in J.J for ep 9. I would much rather Feige hire someone not already in house. My pick is Andy Muschietti. Horror directors seem to make pretty good comic book movies. I Can't wait for Aquamn and Shazam.

 

[Spider-Fan]

All in all, it was a very pedestrian film. Nevermind the overbearing comedy, thin narrative, and inconsequential villain (even by Marvel standards, it's bad), but nothing about the movie excited me or engaged me in any way. When I wasn't bored out of my mind I was rolling my eyes. I'm typically very forgiving of Marvel's films, but this is right up there with Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World for me, in that I have zero desire to ever watch it again. Now, much of this can be chalked up to the screenplay, but as the director I do not believe Reed did anything to elevate the material.

If Reed wants to continue making small faux-comedies in the Ant-Man franchise, all the power to him. But I've seen nothing to suggest he's the best fit for a property of this scale, with one of Marvel's premier villains.

But let's also remember by that same token, it is not like Reed squandered great Marvel villains. He hasn't had the chance to work with a deeper character, like a Loki or in the FF's case Doom. Yellowjacket and Ghost don't have the material like Doom would to mine from. Largely Ant-Man doesn't have the quality material to mine from like the FF do, so they largely had to do their own thing. I think it'd be different with the FF. I'm not saying Reed is my first choice. He probably wouldn't be. But he has passion for it, so I don't think he is my last choice either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not exactly married to the idea of an MCU director doing the F4. It seems a little too safe like when Lucas film brought in J.J for ep 9. I would much rather Feige hire someone not already in house. My pick is Andy Muschietti. Horror directors seem to make pretty good comic book movies. I Can't wait for Aquamn and Shazam.

If we're doing horror directors, I'd almost rather see John Krasinski do it. A Quiet Place had a heavy family theme and was oozing with style. I know Krasinski is a contender to be Reed Richards himself, but I think that and his comedic background would make him a better fit for FF than Muschietti on first glance.

 

[1627523]

But let's also remember by that same token, it is not like Reed squandered great Marvel villains. He hasn't had the chance to work with a deeper character, like a Loki or in the FF's case Doom. Yellowjacket and Ghost don't have the material like Doom would to mine from. Largely Ant-Man doesn't have the quality material to mine from like the FF do, so they largely had to do their own thing. I think it'd be different with the FF. I'm not saying Reed is my first choice. He probably wouldn't be. But he has passion for it, so I don't think he is my last choice either.

I don't think you can blame the source material for Peyton not making great villains. Villains like Vulture and Killmonger were afterthoughts in the comics but good directors were able to come in and elevate them. Peyton tried to do the same thing with Ghost and he didn't quite stick the landing on her IMO. Having passion is definitely the right step, but I still want someone with the skills also. The last thing I want say about MCU F4 after coming out of the theatre "eh, it was better than the last ones."

 

[1627523]

If we're doing horror directors, I'd almost rather see John Krasinski do it. A Quiet Place had a heavy family theme and was oozing with style. I know Krasinski is a contender to be Reed Richards himself, but I think that and his comedic background would make him a better fit for FF than Muschietti on first glance.

Oh yeah definitely I agree. A quiet place was great.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Funny how Sophie Turner wants to be an Avenger now.

Why do people read into this stuff as them wanting to switch franchises?

Did Sophie turner ever at any point say she wouldn't want a crossover with the MCU? infact has anyone involved in these movies ever said that in the last 5 years? heck the question was put forth towards jackman a dozen times over in the past and he is retired now.

Truth of the matter Sony and FOX both own Marvel properties and if they wanted they could have a crossover between Fox X-Men and MCU which would probably be at least 95% more likely then it would a DC/Marvel cross over movie to ever happen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think you can blame the source material for Peyton not making great villains. Villains like Vulture and Killmonger were afterthoughts in the comics but good directors were able to come in and elevate them. Peyton tried to do the same thing with Ghost and he didn't quite stick the landing on her IMO. Having passion is definitely the right step, but I still want someone with the skills also. The last thing I want say about MCU F4 after coming out of the theatre "eh, it was better than the last ones."

There is a degree of truth, but the difference is design. The villains in the Ant-Man films were a secondary focus (which was common with Marvel films in phase 1 and 2), while Vulture and Killmonger were more primary. There is no way Doom would be a secondary focus, LOL! That would be the biggest difference I see.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Roberts: I have another bid!!!

Iger: Nope.

That already happened once.

Roberts: I have another bid!!!

Iger: Ah s***. *Opens emergency wallet and throws in another 15+ something billion*

Fox: Now... we wait *Strokes white cat on lap*

 

[Big Bang]

Fox will outbid Comcast for Sky this week.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/10/fox-reportedly-preparing-a-new-sky-bid-in-battle-with-comcast.html

I'm seeing this as further evidence Comcast will end up settling for just Sky and maybe Star.

IMO, Disney is in the clear for the rest of Fox.