The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 21

[Fallen]

 

[Zarex]

Why would Feige make the announcement? Even if he were onboard, it's not his place to make the announcement. This is coming from Disney, not from some division of Disney. It's coming from the top.

Alan Horn is like the Deputy Director of Operations if this were an agency. He's the one handling all this sort of stuff.

Feige's the head of the studio and makes all the announcements regarding MCU personnel. When have we ever heard from Alan Horn about anything? In interviews he has joked that his job is to say "yes" to everything Kevin Feige asks for.

Alan Horn is the Chairman of Walt Disney Studios. A division of The Walt Disney Company. If it were coming from the top, Iger would have made the announcement.

 

[Darkprime]

im fully expecting Disney to up their bid for sky on Friday during the shareholder vote. In the 40 billion range. Analysts are saying Comcast investors dont even want sky. Comcast might walk away with nothing.

 

[Dark Raven]

Feige's the head of the studio and makes all the announcements regarding MCU personnel. When have we ever heard from Alan Horn about anything? In interviews he has joked that his job is to say "yes" to everything Kevin Feige asks for.

Alan Horn is the Chairman of Walt Disney Studios. A division of The Walt Disney Company. If it were coming from the top, Iger would have made the announcement.

Iger doesn't need to concern himself with making announcements about personnel. That's probably what Alan Horn is there for.

And it's not Feige's decision here. It's coming from Disney, not from Marvel. Feige might agree with the decision once informed about it, but this is to do with the Disney company and conflicting with company policy and values, not merely a hiring or firing of a director for a movie for creative purposes.

 

[BaronZemo]

The bizarre Cybernazi sponsored firing of Gunn has damped my enthusiasm for the Comcast deal as well. My biggest concern is the continued silence from Kevin Feige. If Kevin was onboard, why didn't he announce the firing? Did Horn make the call unilaterally, bypassing the Studio President? Did this rash decision create a rift? And, if so, will Feige look to move on when his contract is up next year?

I am confident in the integration of the FF and X-Men into the MCU with Kevin Feige at the helm of the studio. I would be a lot less confident with his replacement.

Jesus, nothing will happen. Why d fans always look for excuses to panic and be pessimistic. Feige handled Ike for 8 years and Ike is a cheap, paranoid, sexist/racist relic. Even if Feige disagrees, he understands that it was Gunn's fault and he forced Disney's hand.

There is no reason for negativity so don't spread any.

 

[Darkprime]

The bizarre Cybernazi sponsored firing of Gunn has damped my enthusiasm for the Comcast deal as well. My biggest concern is the continued silence from Kevin Feige. If Kevin was onboard, why didn't he announce the firing? Did Horn make the call unilaterally, bypassing the Studio President? Did this rash decision create a rift? And, if so, will Feige look to move on when his contract is up next year?

I am confident in the integration of the FF and X-Men into the MCU with Kevin Feige at the helm of the studio. I would be a lot less confident with his replacement.

Gunns firing is well above Feiges pay grade if you noticed all the reports say Disney fired him not Marvel. You wont hear anything from Feige.

 

[divan]

I think Feige would still have fired Gunn, but he'd been more elegant about it (i.e. not overnight). He'd also talked with the actors first and we wouldn't be seeing them angry and confused on Twitter.

If he was overruled, it wouldn't surprise me if it rubbed him the wrong way, given the way Disney's handled the whole debacle.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I get the impression Feige is/would be good on the personal relations front with staff.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Feige would still have fired Gunn, but he'd been more elegant about it (i.e. not overnight). He'd also talked with the actors first and we wouldn't be seeing them angry and confused on Twitter.

If he was overruled, it wouldn't surprise me if it rubbed him the wrong way, given the way Disney's handled the whole debacle.

Feige couldn't have fired Gunn. First off, it would look like it's coming from Feige. Imagine Gunn pleading with Feige to give him one more chance or to try to talk to the higher-ups about it. What can Feige do about that exactly? It's not like he can reconsider or promise to plead Gunn's case.

And second, it's Disney who is making the decision here. It is appropriate it comes from Horn.

There's no way Feige could've really softened the blow anyway whatever he said, because a firing is a firing, and fans would still have been up in arms about it anyway.

 

[Zarex]

Iger doesn't need to concern himself with making announcements about personnel. That's probably what Alan Horn is there for.

Prior to this Alan Horn has never made an announcement regarding MCU personnel decisions.

And it's not Feige's decision here. It's coming from Disney, not from Marvel. Feige might agree with the decision once informed about it, but this is to do with the Disney company and conflicting with company policy and values, not merely a hiring or firing of a director for a movie for creative purposes.

I agree that this was not Feige's decision. As the President of the Studio, it should have been.

Jesus, nothing will happen. Why d fans always look for excuses to panic and be pessimistic. Feige handled Ike for 8
It could be thatyears and Ike is a cheap, paranoid, sexist/racist relic. Even if Feige disagrees, he understands that it was Gunn's fault and he forced Disney's hand.

There is no reason for negativity so don't spread any.

I've been (mostly) nothing but sunshine and peppermints regarding the MCU during the past decade. The potential for a rift between Feige and both Horn and Iger so close to the end of his contract is a cause for concern. Feel free to ignore it.

Gunns firing is well above Feiges pay grade if you noticed all the reports say Disney fired him not Marvel. You wont hear anything from Feige.

Gunn's firing is exactly within Feige's pay grade. He's the frikkin President of the studio. If Iger and/or Horn overruled him on a key personnel decision that could be a problem going forward.

 

[divan]

Feige couldn't have fired Gunn. First off, it would look like it's coming from Feige. Imagine Gunn pleading with Feige to give him one more chance or to try to talk to the higher-ups about it. What can Feige do about that exactly? It's not like he can reconsider or promise to plead Gunn's case.

And second, it's Disney who is making the decision here. It is appropriate it comes from Horn.

There's no way Feige could've really softened the blow anyway whatever he said, because a firing is a firing, and fans would still have been up in arms about it anyway.

The fans? Sure. But the staff probably wouldn't and those fans wouldn't have any form of validation. Even if none of the actors leave, there's a real risk of getting your first multi-million dollar failure if the cast isn't really on board with what you're doing, and I doubt Feige, who has spent a decade crafting these projects, is okay with that.

 

[wobbly]

I doubt anyone at Disney is really 'ok' about it. This isn't something they wanted to do, it was forced on them.

I'd imagine Feige would have been kept in the loop for the decision, didn't like but understood it, and will likely be tasked with sitting down with the affected cast to clear the air as best they can.

The whole thing sucks, but it is what is.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Gunn's firing is exactly within Feige's pay grade. He's the frikkin President of the studio. If Iger and/or Horn overruled him on a key personnel decision that could be a problem going forward.

I'm sure Feige had his say and his bosses listened respectfully and then did what they felt was the best thing for the company.

I've been on both sides of that. I've had my boss do things I didn't agree with, and I've told people who work under me they have to do things they didn't want to do.

There may be some animosity, but Feige is a big boy and he can deal with it (and it's probably not the first or last time he has disagreed with a decision others have made). As a professional, he won't say anything publicly that would undermine the decisions of his bosses.

It may not be pretty, but sometimes ugly things happen in life and people move on.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I doubt anyone at Disney is really 'ok' about it. This isn't something they wanted to do, it was forced on them.

I'd imagine Feige would have been kept in the loop for the decision, didn't like but understood it, and will likely be tasked with sitting down with the affected cast to clear the air as best they can.

The whole thing sucks, but it is what is.

Yeah, and I think it's a classic case of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't". People would have been pissed at them no matter which way they went. And it's worth noting that Disney took the route that is costing them money.

If they didn't fire Gunn, people could have accused them of just keeping him because of the money side of things. The fact they're willing to spend the kind of money they will delaying and hiring someone else (maybe buying Gunn out of a contract) and then not making a film from a proven golden goose says something.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

C'mon, man. You gotta do the good Fantastic Four! BEHOLD!....

And yeah, I can't believe it's this week, either!

What is this ‘Fantfourstic’ you speak of?

 

[Endeavor]

I just hope Cernovich gets fired as well.

Gunn was stupid and brought this upon himself, but he's not the only one.

 

[Zarex]

I just hope Cernovich gets fired as well.

Gunn was stupid and brought this upon himself, but he's not the only one.

Cernovich is a self-employed extreme right wing media personality. The only one that can fire him is his followers, and they are LOVING what he does.

 

[Endeavor]

Cernovich is a self-employed extreme right wing media personality. The only one that can fire him is his followers, and they are LOVING what he does.

Including the rape tweets? Figures. Hypocrites.

Well then I hope whatever source of revenue he gets from his antics is blocked.

 

[Smurphftw]

What is this ‘Fantfourstic’ you speak of?

I can't believe it's been almost 3 years since Fox squeezed out that turd

 

[Abudefduf]

Including the rape tweets? Figures. Hypocrites.

That's nothing. He also boasted about flashing a woman once, was accused of sexual assault, and on another occasion he sicced his followers on one of Roy Moore's accusers, calling her a liar.

That's the man who got Gunn fired over gross jokes.

 

[Xeno]

That's nothing. He also once boasted about flashing a woman, was accused of sexual assault, and sicced his followers on one of Roy Moore's accusers, calling her a liar.

That's the man who got Gunn fired over gross jokes.

Cernovich is also the sick mind behind the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory. He whipped his weak-minded followers into such a frenzy about his delusional claims of a child abuse ring at a DC pizzaria that one of them went and shot the place up. It was only luck that people weren't killed because of him. Tbe gunman went to jail and Cernovich walked free. He really is a cybernazi.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Let's keep the focus in this thread on the FOX deal. We have dozens of James Gunn threads at this point.

 

[Xeno]

Let's keep the focus in this thread on the FOX deal. We have dozens of James Gunn threads at this point.

Okay, so I watched a Screen Junkies video where they speculated when the Fox-held properties would appear in the MCU. The guy they inexplicably call Billy Business said he thought it would take 8 years for that to happen. 2025 was his guess.

I think that's ludicrous. It will take at least 3-4 years to get an FF/X-Men franchise up and running, but the characters will appear in other films before then, imo. Feige isn't about to let those heroes lie fallow for so long. That would be potential wasted.

 

[Zarex]

Spidey appeared in an MCU flick within 15 months of the Sony deal being signed, so the 8 year gap is absolutely ridiculous. I expect to a see former Fox character or two in an Avengers 4 post credit scene.

 

[wobbly]

FF stands a better chance of a fast introduction imo. Theres at least a few years since FFINO so a bit more time for the air to have cleared.

X-Men still might have another 2 movies released and there's 2 ongoing tv series to deal with as well.