The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[ironwez20]

Yea I feel like if you dropped the xmen or ff you’d have a bigger impact. I honestly believe they are in avengers 4 or one of the two. They’ve been so secretive about the movie. And it can’t be cause of the freaking eternals

 

[Lip]

I feel like only by name dropping Latveria and acknowledging its existence in the MCU there would already be more hype than having actual two Eternals introduced in the movie.

 

[Darkprime]

I think theres gonna be a lot of disappointment when theres no f4/xmen tease in end game. Yes we have examples of Marvel putting in a post credit scene at the last minute but those were different.

Marvel isnt going to rush the introduction of Doom, Silver Surfer or Professor X just so fans wont be disappointed by a post credit scene. I think we need to temper our expectations and be realistic.

 

[MbJ]

I don't think they'll have time for that. As for post credit scene is a different scenario. They could have the Eternals there, but we all know there's always hype for post-credit scenes, I having the Eternals there would be, IMO, disappointing since not even the fans knows those characters.

Once again, this wouldn't be the first time a lesser known character was teased by a post-credit scene.

Yea I feel like if you dropped the xmen or ff you’d have a bigger impact. I honestly believe they are in avengers 4 or one of the two. They’ve been so secretive about the movie. And it can’t be cause of the freaking eternals

They've been secretive about the movie because it's the culmination of 10 years of MCU movies, not because of the post credit scene.

 

[Detective Conan]

Was there that much hype for Guardians when they were teased in Thor: The Dark World? Yeah the trailer impressed a lot of people before then but if Marvel had never showed one ounce of Guardians footage and all you had to go by was that one tease from Thor: Dark World then I’m willing to bet it would elicit the same amount of apathy as the potential tease for Eternals in Endgame will.

Though to be fair, the Eternals are so obscure that they even make Guardians themselves look like A-list heavy-hitters but I still think it’s an apt comparison nonetheless.

 

[MbJ]

Was there that much hype for Guardians when they were teased in Thor: The Dark World?

That's why the argument falls flat for me. People keep trying to say it can't be an Eternals tease because that's not "hype" enough, but I remember a few months ago sitting in a theater full of people who went "Who?" at the Captain Marvel tease shown at the end of Infinity War. How "hype" a tease is gonna get the audience doesn't seem too high on Marvel's list of priorities.

 

[Darkprime]

I'd rather have a name drop of FF or X-Men or a tease of Silver Surfer rather than Eternals. With Eternals, it's like ... "yeah, so what"? And I think a lot of the general audience would feel that way too. But knowing the FF or X-Men are going to join would be much bigger and more exciting.

Ultimately It all comes to when the deal closes and whether or not they will have time or if they even want to do that. If the deal doesn't close to early April well then yea we're out of luck and even if it closed in Jan-March I doubt they'd rush it.

 

[Darkprime]

Apparently New Mutants has been shelved according to an insider in the the New Mutants thread.

 

[Lip]

That's why the argument falls flat for me. People keep trying to say it can't be an Eternals tease because that's not "hype"
enough, but I remember a few months ago sitting in a theater full of people who went "Who?" at the Captain Marvel tease shown at the end of Infinity War.

That is a completely different scenario because 1) Carol is the first female solo hero in the MCU. There is hype for that. A lot of people were demanding a female hero for a long time, and Captain Marvel is coming after the massive success of Black Panther, which a lot of people were also asking for representation. What's the hype on The Eternals? Captain Marvel certainly has a hype that the Eternals doesn't. 2) That post-credit scene was a set up for Captain Marvel, but also for Endgame. People were getting dust and the audience saw Fury asking for someone else's help. Even if a part of the audience was clueless about Captain Marvel movie, they saw that scene as Fury sending a message for someone who will appear in the next Avengers movie.

Will a post-credit scene in A4 related to The Eternals also set up the next Avengers movie? Because I honestly don't see an Avengers movie anytime soon after Endgame. And since A4 will be their biggest movie to date, and half of the world will be wacthing, I feel like they'll go for something a bit bigger than just teasing The Eternals.

 

[MbJ]

That is a completely different scenario because 1) Carol is the first female solo hero in the MCU. There is hype for that.

Most weren't even aware of the project until the trailer was shown off or possibly when they went home and googled what the IW post-credit scene was supposed to mean. As I just said, I saw IW in multiple theaters, and the teaser elicited the same confused reaction each time.

Because I honestly don't see an Avengers movie anytime soon after Endgame.

I'd be willing to bet money there will be an Avengers movie after Endgame. They just had a billion dollar hit with Black Panther and smaller but still impressive hits with Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man and the Wasp. If there is not a New Avengers movie announced starring those characters + Captain Marvel, I will eat my hat. People keep pushing this fantasy that the Avengers are going bye-bye and that the X-Men will take their place as the main team series of the MCU or something, and that always seemed extremely far fetched.

 

[Darkprime]

There will be an Avengers 5 but not till 2023 at least. Even Disneys CEO hinted that they will probably go back to a 3-4 year gap between Avengers films. Infinity War and End Game had a insane budget so they need time to recoup those costs before another Avengers film is viable again. Plus I think the audience will want a cool down period.

 

[Tymminator]

Yeah, I think Avengers will always continue, but the roster is going to change.

I think GotG will eventually be the same way.

 

[Lip]

Most weren't even aware of the project until the trailer was shown off or possibly when they went home and googled what the IW post-credit scene was supposed to mean. As I just said, I saw IW in multiple theaters, and the teaser elicited the same confused reaction each time.

You're underestimating the audience, IMO. People have been watching CBMs for at least 10 years now. At least, because it all started back in 2000s. IW didn't even waste anytime introducing the characters. The movie literally starts where Ragnarok ended (in a post credit scene, to be more specific). People who's watching Avengers are quite aware of superheroes now. They might not read the comics, of course, but they are not clueless. Everybody access the internet too. After the success of Wonder Woman people got even more hyped about more female heroes on the big screen. Captain Marvel undeniably has more hype and appeal only by being the first female solo superhero than The Eternals has.

People keep pushing this fantasy that the Avengers are going bye-bye and that the X-Men will take their place as the main team series of the MCU or something, and that always seemed extremely far fetched.

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that I don't see the next Avengers movie anytime soon. IW and Endgame had a year difference and that post-credit scene served to set up A4 too. So even if you don't know who Carol is or what that symbol means, you get that's a set up for the next Avengers.

 

[Dark Raven]

Was there that much hype for Guardians when they were teased in Thor: The Dark World? Yeah the trailer impressed a lot of people before then but if Marvel had never showed one ounce of Guardians footage and all you had to go by was that one tease from Thor: Dark World then I’m willing to bet it would elicit the same amount of apathy as the potential tease for Eternals in Endgame will.

Though to be fair, the Eternals are so obscure that they even make Guardians themselves look like A-list heavy-hitters but I still think it’s an apt comparison nonetheless.

The Eternals don't have any lovable characters like Rocket Raccoon or Groot in their team. They come across as far more bland. Even the Inhumans seemed more interesting and colourful, but then Scott Buck went and made a pig's ear of them.

 

[MbJ]

You're underestimating the audience, IMO.

I call it like I see it, and like I said, every single theater I saw IW in had the same response to the Captain Marvel tease: ???

That's far from the only example either of an MCU movie having a post credit tease that flew over most of the audience's head either.

I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that I don't see the next Avengers movie anytime soon.

Let me put it like this: I think it's far more likely that Avengers 5 is out before an X-Men or FF reboot.

The Eternals don't have any lovable characters like Rocket Raccoon or Groot in their team.

Which has nothing to do with the current discussion.

 

[Abudefduf]

People now: The Eternals, really? Literally no one cares about them, they're so lame!

People in a couple of years: So yesterday I had an argument with my grandma because she likes Ikaris more than Makkari and that's just ridiculous

Come on guys, we've already been through this before. Marvel will make us love the Eternals, whether we like it or not.

 

[Darkprime]

If Marvel has proven anything its they know how to take no name characters and make them into household names they did it with Guardians then Ant-Man and theyll do it with Eternals and probably Nova as well.

 

[ironwez20]

Doubt it. Ant man is still rather meh and guardians is ok it’s not anything to run home about. Groot abd rocket I guess are the only memorable characters

 

[Marvel united]

It's less about whether people like the Eternals and more about them taking precedence over the X-Men and Fantastic 4 when the vast majority of people would be more excited for the latter.

 

[Iceman]

I call it like I see it, and like I said, every single theater I saw IW in had the same response to the Captain Marvel tease: ???

That's far from the only example either of an MCU movie having a post credit tease that flew over most of the audience's head either.

I had to explain the CM scene to every group of people I saw IW with (and that's a LOT of visits), and these people have seen all the MCU films. Half of them probably had also heard of Captain Marvel before but they didn't know that symbol was hers or that there was a film planned.

 

[Iceman]

If Marvel has proven anything its they know how to take no name characters and make them into household names they did it with Guardians then Ant-Man and theyll do it with Eternals and probably Nova as well.

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Doubt it. Ant man is still rather meh and guardians is ok it’s not anything to run home about. Groot abd rocket I guess are the only memorable characters

Meh or not, most of the GA now know the Guardians and Ant-Man which is what the post was suggesting - taking no-names and making them into household names.

 

[Iceman]

There will be an Avengers 5 but not till 2023 at least. Even Disneys CEO hinted that they will probably go back to a 3-4 year gap between Avengers films. Infinity War and End Game had a insane budget so they need time to recoup those costs before another Avengers film is viable again. Plus I think the audience will want a cool down period.

I agree on timescale but not on the cost reasoning. The budget was very high but the receipts (net box office receipts alone) for IW were crazy. But I agree the audience will need a time-out and something fresh after 2 mega-Avengers events within the space of a year.

 

[MbJ]

Doubt it. Ant man is still rather meh and guardians is ok it’s not anything to run home about.

LMAO the Guardians became a legit pop culture phenomenon.

It's less about whether people like the Eternals and more about them taking precedence over the X-Men and Fantastic 4 when the vast majority of people would be more excited for the latter.

One movie already has a script, a director and is currently casting at least two of the characters, likely for an Endgame post-credit appearance. Given the far reaching plans, this was also likely plotted out at least a few years in advance.

The X-Men and FF, meanwhile, aren't even legally usable just yet (it's a given the deal will go through but it's still yet to be finalized), and outside of vague ideas probably haven't been heavily planned out yet. It's also looking like an increased likelihood that if those characters are in Phase 4, it'll be at the end given all the other movies we've currently had announced in the planning stages (we've got Spider-Man: Far from Home, The Eternals, Shang-Chi and Black Widow coming in Phase 4 plus likely sequels for Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man and the Wasp and the Avengers).

That's less "taking precedence" and more common sense. The Eternals are coming out far sooner than either the X-Men or FF, so they likely get the tease. It's not that shocking.

 

[Marvel united]

LMAO the Guardians became a legit pop culture phenomenon.



One movie already has a script, a director and is currently casting at least two of the characters, likely for an Endgame post-credit appearance. Given the far reaching plans, this was also likely plotted out at least a few years in advance.

The X-Men and FF, meanwhile, aren't even legally usable just yet (it's a given the deal will go through but it's still yet to be finalized), and outside of vague ideas probably haven't been heavily planned out yet. It's also looking like an increased likelihood that if those characters are in Phase 4, it'll be at the end given all the other movies we've currently had announced in the planning stages (we've got Spider-Man: Far from Home, The Eternals, Shang-Chi and Black Widow coming in Phase 4 plus likely sequels for Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man and the Wasp and the Avengers).

That's less "taking precedence" and more common sense. The Eternals are coming out far sooner than either the X-Men or FF, so they likely get the tease. It's not that shocking.

That doesn't mean they can't get a tease for a post credits scene. Thanos hadn't even been cast yet but we still got a tease of him in the post credits scene. And the Shawarma scene was shot merely weeks before the premiere

 

[Lip]

I call it like I see it, and like I said, every single theater I saw IW in had the same response to the Captain Marvel tease: ???

I get that's your personal experience, but I refuse to believe you're interviewing every person on every theater you've been. It's your experience I get. The thing is, that post-credit scene serve to set up the next chapter of that adventure that ended with most of the heroes getting dusted. There is, undeniably, a huge hype towards Captain Marvel because she's their first female solo hero. Especially after the success of Wonder Woman and Black Panther. That tease also served to get CM hype even bigger because those who didn't know that was would "google it" or something.

There is a big difference between not associating that symbol with Captain Marvel, and being clueless Marvel is making a solo female superhero movie.

The Eternals have no hype right now. It does not give us what CM is giving. I don't see why they'd use A4 to tease the Eternals. But I guess we will see. I'm willing to bet they won't waste their Endgame post-credit scene with them.

Let me put it like this: I think it's far more likely that Avengers 5 is out before an X-Men or FF reboot.

Ok. We'll see.