The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

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https://www.slashfilm.com/disney-fox-merger-family-friendly-projects/

Interesting new article and info. I wonder what the downsizing of R-rated films means for Deadpool? And we all knew Disney wasn't going to continue to let 20th Century Fox operate autonomously, especially with them holding so many properties of use to the wider portfolio of Disney (Marvel, WE, Avatar)

I think this article is complete speculation BS. Why would they buy a movie studio for over $70 Billion and then gut them?


The whole point of buying a company that brings something new to the table is to use those new things - not get rid of all the new stuff and go back to making the films you've always made.
 
I don’t think you’re alone in wanting that, but the chances of it happening seem sort of bleak at the moment.

Why is that does Disney not want the Spidey rights?

Or is Sony not willing to sell I heard that Sony might want Endemol so maybe they could make a trade for a few things
 
Why is that does Disney not want the Spidey rights?

Or is Sony not willing to sell I heard that Sony might want Endemol so maybe they could make a trade for a few things

Sony seems determined to try to build their own universe. But that could hinge heavily on the performance of Venom. If Venom bombs, that could help Disney's position.

I'm sure Disney would like to have Spidey, but not at the price Sony would demand at this moment.
 
Now with Marvel doing the 10 year anniversary IMAX screening thing with the inclusion of TIH...wouldn't they need permission from Universal to screen the movie?...so does that mean negotiations have started between Disney and Universal?
 
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I think this article is complete speculation BS. Why would they buy a movie studio for over $70 Billion and then gut them?


The whole point of buying a company that brings something new to the table is to use those new things - not get rid of all the new stuff and go back to making the films you've always made.
That article is a summary to what the WSJ article was saying. Fox Sesrchlight will be left alone but the main studio is going to be downsized according to the WSJ- And this is likely because the main studio holds the rights to so many franchises that will be combined with other subsidiaries of Disney
 
Sony seems determined to try to build their own universe. But that could hinge heavily on the performance of Venom. If Venom bombs, that could help Disney's position.

I'm sure Disney would like to have Spidey, but not at the price Sony would demand at this moment.

Oh ok hopefully maybe Disney could trade with Sony for all the Spider-Man rights like something that isn't worth much to Disney but could be worth a lot to Sony got any ideas?

BO expectation for Venom right now is

40MM OW, 85MM LTD. IF you are hoping for Disney/Marvel to get the full rights back you want BO to be correct or even optimistic.

https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-star-born-venom/

I think they are being overly conservative though. Venom has the #3 most viewed trailer of all time pre release and SH movies usually have an OW that's 1-1 or greater with views.

http://www.boxofficereport.com/trailerviews/highesttrailerviews.html



Disney has the full rights except for live action movies and animated movies (both with a runtime over 48 minutes IIRC). Live action tv is a question mark for me, but I believe Disney has that.

The first game probably will never get on a non Sony platform, but a sequel can if Marvel and Disney want and there's nothing Sony can do about it.


That's what I'm curious about and have few questions regarding this whole

Insomniac, Sony, Marvel deal

To my understanding

Insomniac is independant

The Spider-Man game is developed in house by Insomniac

Marvel went to Sony and Insomniac was Sony's first pick.
Insomniac picked Spider-Man.
Marvel just wanted a licensed game from Sony.

Spider-Man is using an Insomniac in-house engine

Marvel may have the rights to Spider-Man but not this particular game but Marvel can and hopefully will(I mean Disney is greedy after all) develop sequels or Spider-Man games with Insomniac and Sony can't do anything about this so the sequels can be and hopefully will be multi-platform I mean it's a Spider-Man game come on Marvel you know Spidey is popular with everyone capitalize on this.


What I'm curious about though is if it's possible for Marvel to hash out a deal with Sony to allow Insomniac to port the first game whether it be a complete edition like Spider-Man Wallcrawler Edition, or a remaster for the next gen systems and PC. a

Or can Marvel since they own the Spidey license can they tell Sony aato take a hike and tell Insomniac to port the first one over and do sequels.

Like for the first one maybe a trade can happen like Disney gives Sony something they don't need in exchange for the Spider-Man Film Rights, and an allowance to port Spider-Man PS4 on other platforms as well as release of any outstanding Marvel rights in regards to the character allowing for flexibility maybe no money changes hands just a trade then Disney/Marvel can pay for the porting costs, and publish it themselves.

Or maybe the second option the only thing stopping Marvel from doing this is pissing off Sony so when they just get the film rights they can do whatever they want and just get Insomniac to port the Spider-Man 2018 game to other platforms in prep for future sequels.


Also how likely do you think Marvel would just go to Insomniac directly to make a Spider-Man game assuming the current one will be a massive success for Sony only this time.

It's 1. Going to multiplat to maximize sales
2. Sony won't be in the equation
 
If I were Disney and if Venom bombs I would then go tell Sony "No more live action Spidey spinoffs if you want us to continue to produce Spider-Man films for you and have Spidey involved in the MCU. If you want to make your own live action Spidey universe go for it but if you do we are gone. You can't have it both ways. You want to be partners with us than be partners with us all the way, no more of these side projects like Venom."
 
https://www.slashfilm.com/disney-fox-merger-family-friendly-projects/

Interesting new article and info. I wonder what the downsizing of R-rated films means for Deadpool? And we all knew Disney wasn't going to continue to let 20th Century Fox operate autonomously, especially with them holding so many properties of use to the wider portfolio of Disney (Marvel, WE, Avatar)

It bothers me that they leave out Fantastic Four i guess after the 2015 movie its not a big property anymore but still it worries me when it gets left out. Do people not care about F4 beyond Doom?
 
That article is a summary to what the WSJ article was saying. Fox Sesrchlight will be left alone but the main studio is going to be downsized according to the WSJ- And this is likely because the main studio holds the rights to so many franchises that will be combined with other subsidiaries of Disney

But the WSJ article just talked about how some things would be structured ( with some of their own speculation). This article took it a lot farther and made the leap to assume Disney is only interested in ‘family’ content.

Disney is the master of family content. They don’t need Fox if that’s all they’re going to do.
 
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But the WSJ article just talked about how some things would be structured ( with some of their own speculation). This article took it a lot farther and made the leap to assume Disney is only interested in ‘family’ content.

Disney is the master of family content. They don’t need Fox if that’s all they’re going to do.

There will be FUD until well after the acquisition is complete, trust me.

Technically what they are saying is true, 21CF WILL be cut down. Their output will be lower. Some of the cut down is due to redundancy, especially in marketing and distribution. Some of it is timing. Output will be lower again because of timing of releases and because:

Avatar, Alvin and the Chipmunks will go under the Disney umbrella. Avatar btw will be everywhere. Pandora lands will probably be announced for DLS and Paris in the next few years. Avatar merch will be everywhere.
X-Men, FF, and yes Deadpool will go to Feige and friends

There's no way output doesn't diminish because of that. They will still release the Kingsmans and Die Hards. Honestly I'm looking for reboots/remakes/sequels of 28 Days Later and The Fly. Also new Horror and R rated stories will probably come from them, but hopefully higher quality.

It's gonna be a long ride of articles like that even if Disney outlines their plans and roadmap. Once movies start releasing those articles will go away. We're long way from that though.

If I were Disney and if Venom bombs I would then go tell Sony "No more live action Spidey spinoffs if you want us to continue to produce Spider-Man films for you and have Spidey involved in the MCU. If you want to make your own live action Spidey universe go for it but if you do we are gone. You can't have it both ways. You want to be partners with us than be partners with us all the way, no more of these side projects like Venom."

If Venom bombs Disney will simply go to Sony and ask them if they want to sell at fair market price or take a hike. They will also be open to resign/extend the contract with a lot more amendments to it. The only bargaining chip that Sony has is that Disney still pays a percentage of the gross to them, no matter what.

Oh ok hopefully maybe Disney could trade with Sony for all the Spider-Man rights like something that isn't worth much to Disney but could be worth a lot to Sony got any ideas?




That's what I'm curious about and have few questions regarding this whole

Insomniac, Sony, Marvel deal

To my understanding

Insomniac is independant

The Spider-Man game is developed in house by Insomniac

Marvel went to Sony and Insomniac was Sony's first pick.
Insomniac picked Spider-Man.
Marvel just wanted a licensed game from Sony.

Spider-Man is using an Insomniac in-house engine

Marvel may have the rights to Spider-Man but not this particular game but Marvel can and hopefully will(I mean Disney is greedy after all) develop sequels or Spider-Man games with Insomniac and Sony can't do anything about this so the sequels can be and hopefully will be multi-platform I mean it's a Spider-Man game come on Marvel you know Spidey is popular with everyone capitalize on this.


What I'm curious about though is if it's possible for Marvel to hash out a deal with Sony to allow Insomniac to port the first game whether it be a complete edition like Spider-Man Wallcrawler Edition, or a remaster for the next gen systems and PC. a

Or can Marvel since they own the Spidey license can they tell Sony aato take a hike and tell Insomniac to port the first one over and do sequels.

Like for the first one maybe a trade can happen like Disney gives Sony something they don't need in exchange for the Spider-Man Film Rights, and an allowance to port Spider-Man PS4 on other platforms as well as release of any outstanding Marvel rights in regards to the character allowing for flexibility maybe no money changes hands just a trade then Disney/Marvel can pay for the porting costs, and publish it themselves.

Or maybe the second option the only thing stopping Marvel from doing this is pissing off Sony so when they just get the film rights they can do whatever they want and just get Insomniac to port the Spider-Man 2018 game to other platforms in prep for future sequels.


Also how likely do you think Marvel would just go to Insomniac directly to make a Spider-Man game assuming the current one will be a massive success for Sony only this time.

It's 1. Going to multiplat to maximize sales
2. Sony won't be in the equation

Very good question. We don't know the exact answer without looking at the contract. Disney has made blunders of deals before (The SW movie to Turner one year before deciding on Disneyflix is one. Maybe the Marvel netflix defenders shows as well).

Marvel's perspective was one of "okay we need to take these games in house and make quality games as opposed to **** like the Deadpool and Spider-Man ones from Activision, or the Iron Man one from Sega". Disney does not publish games anymore so Marvel had to go to a 3rd party. They may have just wanted to go to Insomniac, but when Insomniac went independent the publisher was a lot more hands on (their worst game was published by EA). The Sony - Insominac relationship has been pretty healthy with plenty of good combinations. It was a good first step for Marvel who seems to want to have a Marvel Game Universe as well, maybe that will be Earth 200000.

Yes, ideally Disney would have bought Insominiac and published the thing themselves on PS4, Steam, Xbox, Switch. Game has a low ROI and Disney is currently not interested in it (though I heard they may want to get back on it in the near-mid future).

There have been cases where a publisher published a game that was exclusive for a year (or more) before coming to other platforms. Oblivion, Bioshock, Mass Effect immediately come to mind. This case is a little trickier as it involves 3 players. Sony also has a copyright at the end of the trailers, as does Marvel. It might not be feasible to port this particular game to other platforms. Then again it might after X years or with a remake. We just don't know without looking at the contract. Can the North Koreans hack Sony again?
 
But the WSJ article just talked about how some things would be structured ( with some of their own speculation). This article took it a lot farther and made the leap to assume Disney is only interested in ‘family’ content.

Disney is the master of family content. They don’t need Fox if that’s all they’re going to do.
But it directly says this in the WSJ article:
"and scale back production of costly movies that don’t fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula.”*

X-Men is also directly mentioned as being a franchise Disney has big plans to utilize
 
Venom's trailer views look fake to me. Anyone can buy views these days. When you compare it to videos with similar amount of views it has a lot less likes/dislikes.
Same when Gifted trailer came out. It got GoT amount of views which seemed fishy to me. That one has since been removed.
 
Venom's trailer views look fake to me. Anyone can buy views these days. When you compare it to videos with similar amount of views it has a lot less likes/dislikes.
Same when Gifted trailer came out. It got GoT amount of views which seemed fishy to me. That one has since been removed.

Who on earth could’ve done this?

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Venom's trailer views look fake to me. Anyone can buy views these days. When you compare it to videos with similar amount of views it has a lot less likes/dislikes.
Same when Gifted trailer came out. It got GoT amount of views which seemed fishy to me. That one has since been removed.

Man of steel got a lot of views aswell. Asm2 did also. I don’t know why people think just cause a free trailer on YouTube gets views people will see the movie. People have probably watched it more than once.
 
There will be FUD until well after the acquisition is complete, trust me.

Technically what they are saying is true, 21CF WILL be cut down. Their output will be lower. Some of the cut down is due to redundancy, especially in marketing and distribution. Some of it is timing. Output will be lower again because of timing of releases and because:

Avatar, Alvin and the Chipmunks will go under the Disney umbrella. Avatar btw will be everywhere. Pandora lands will probably be announced for DLS and Paris in the next few years. Avatar merch will be everywhere.
X-Men, FF, and yes Deadpool will go to Feige and friends

There's no way output doesn't diminish because of that. They will still release the Kingsmans and Die Hards. Honestly I'm looking for reboots/remakes/sequels of 28 Days Later and The Fly. Also new Horror and R rated stories will probably come from them, but hopefully higher quality.

It's gonna be a long ride of articles like that even if Disney outlines their plans and roadmap. Once movies start releasing those articles will go away. We're long way from that though.



If Venom bombs Disney will simply go to Sony and ask them if they want to sell at fair market price or take a hike. They will also be open to resign/extend the contract with a lot more amendments to it. The only bargaining chip that Sony has is that Disney still pays a percentage of the gross to them, no matter what.



Very good question. We don't know the exact answer without looking at the contract. Disney has made blunders of deals before (The SW movie to Turner one year before deciding on Disneyflix is one. Maybe the Marvel netflix defenders shows as well).

Marvel's perspective was one of "okay we need to take these games in house and make quality games as opposed to **** like the Deadpool and Spider-Man ones from Activision, or the Iron Man one from Sega". Disney does not publish games anymore so Marvel had to go to a 3rd party. They may have just wanted to go to Insomniac, but when Insomniac went independent the publisher was a lot more hands on (their worst game was published by EA). The Sony - Insominac relationship has been pretty healthy with plenty of good combinations. It was a good first step for Marvel who seems to want to have a Marvel Game Universe as well, maybe that will be Earth 200000.

Yes, ideally Disney would have bought Insominiac and published the thing themselves on PS4, Steam, Xbox, Switch. Game has a low ROI and Disney is currently not interested in it (though I heard they may want to get back on it in the near-mid future).

There have been cases where a publisher published a game that was exclusive for a year (or more) before coming to other platforms. Oblivion, Bioshock, Mass Effect immediately come to mind. This case is a little trickier as it involves 3 players. Sony also has a copyright at the end of the trailers, as does Marvel. It might not be feasible to port this particular game to other platforms. Then again it might after X years or with a remake. We just don't know without looking at the contract. Can the North Koreans hack Sony again?

I don't think Marvel really knew who to go with I'm thinking the reason why they went to Sony is simply because of well 1. the whole movie deal and 2.
Sony knew a good fit for a licensed game and they also make good titles.

Marvel probably didn't know what Insomniac could do with the license in fact Marvel wasn't specific Insomniac could have chosen the X-Men.

Marvel wasn't specifically trying to make a Spidey game just a good Marvel game it's possible in the future I think that if the Spider-Man game does well they will simply go to Insomniac directly and find a new publish like Square Enix or anyone else.

Maybe Disney can dust off a publishing company and start their MGU from there and crack a deal with Sony for both movie rights and Spider-Man PS4 publishing rights.

I mean even if the Spidey game does well Sony can't rely on it since it's not their IP.

Also you heard that Disney is going to be coming back to game publishing in the near future well if that's the case then I really hope they nab Spider-Man 2018 and publish it for other platforms and the PS4 as a complete edition for 2019 or 2020. Then make sequels to it with Insomniac proper since they hopefully know it will be profitable for them.
 
I studied that picture for several minutes, and I couldn't find anything- other than Kinberg being Kinberg- that was particularly infuriating. I feel like we're missing something....

We all missed Kinberg in that picture because he's sitting in the corner with his thumb up his ass.

I mean, maybe "good" is a strong word but, for me at least, the characters had me interested. Teller, Jordan and Kebbell's comradery specifically had me interested to see where the rest of the movie would take it. I thought was a solid first act but then movie completely falls apart once they get their powers.


I didn't see any camaraderie between those characters at all. They only had one conversation, if you can call it that, when they got stupid-drunk and called Ben over to take a trip to Hell. What little characterization there was painted all of the four (plus Domashev) as extremely unpleasant people the audience wouldn't want to know better. The science fair scene was hilarious, with grown men competing with young kids. We were never given any real reason to root for these people, nor shown evidence of their supposed intelligence beyond Franklin vouching for them.

The first act was nothing more than a cold mess, albeit less of one than the second. Fant4stic only has two acts, as everything before and after "One year later" constitutes one half of the movie. It may be tempting to think that 4stic would have been better had the characters been more fleshed out, but given what we were shown more development would only have made them more repulsive.
 
Sony funded and will publish Spider-Man, Marvel came to Sony first and they proposed Insomniac as the developer for a Marvel game, Insomniac chose Spider-Man. It's going to sell millions of copies and Sony will keep funding and publishing Spider-Man games for the forseeable future. The MGU will be done by Square Enix, probably with a different Spider-Man.
 
Sony funded and will publish Spider-Man, Marvel came to Sony first and they proposed Insomniac as the developer for a Marvel game, Insomniac chose Spider-Man. It's going to sell millions of copies and Sony will keep funding and publishing Spider-Man games for the forseeable future. The MGU will be done by Square Enix, probably with a different Spider-Man.

Hopefully Disney goes back to publishing and funds and makes those millions from Spider-Man by themselves there is no way they are letting their golden goose just go to Sony if Disney can help it especially if they can make more selling it themselves.
 
Hopefully Disney goes back to publishing and funds and makes those millions from Spider-Man by themselves there is no way they are letting their golden goose just go to Sony if Disney can help it especially if they can make more selling it themselves.

Disney does not care for videogames, Sony does, they are the best publisher you can get, lots of support and quality. I want them and Insomniac to keep making Spider-Man games and it seems pretty clear their relationship will last, they said it multiple times.
 
Disney does not care for videogames, Sony does, they are the best publisher you can get, lots of support and quality. I want them and Insomniac to keep making Spider-Man games and it seems pretty clear their relationship will last, they said it multiple times.

Really I haven't heard anything about sequels idk maybe in the future as DollarADay said they'll go back to game publishing if they deem it profitable enough.

Honestly all that Marvel needs is Insomniac and Spider-Man.

Just give Insomniac two mandates
Multiplatform
Complete freedom and they could have a goldmine
 
We all missed Kinberg in that picture because he's sitting in the corner with his thumb up his ass.




I didn't see any camaraderie between those characters at all. They only had one conversation, if you can call it that, when they got stupid-drunk and called Ben over to take a trip to Hell. What little characterization there was painted all of the four (plus Domashev) as extremely unpleasant people the audience wouldn't want to know better. The science fair scene was hilarious, with grown men competing with young kids. We were never given any real reason to root for these people, nor shown evidence of their supposed intelligence beyond Franklin vouching for them.

The first act was nothing more than a cold mess, albeit less of one than the second. Fant4stic only has two acts, as everything before and after "One year later" constitutes one half of the movie. It may be tempting to think that 4stic would have been better had the characters been more fleshed out, but given what we were shown more development would only have made them more repulsive.

Lol fair enough. You bring up sone good points. I'll give you this, Kate Mara and the guy who played Ben were bad from the start. I think Teller, Jordan and Kebbel were trying hard to lift the film because I think all three of them are naturally good actors. But while we may differ on how the first 20 minutes or so got us invested in the film, theres no debate that WHATEVER goodwill those first 20 mins may have bought us was completely eradicated by the succeeding 70 minutes.

I was one of those people rooting for the movie but cautiously optimistic. Before the first trailer came out I wasnt completely sure the movie was real. As a matter of fact, if I remember correctly (if not please let me know) I dont think Fox ever actually ANNOUNCED the movie officially. At least until that first trailer came out which I thought was a good trailer. I was willing to accept abd embrace an elseworld's David Cronenberg-esque interpetation of the Fantastic Four but man, i think that movie's production's gotta be the worst cbm debacle ever.
 
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But it directly says this in the WSJ article:
"and scale back production of costly movies that don’t fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula.”*

X-Men is also directly mentioned as being a franchise Disney has big plans to utilize


Oh yeah, as ADollarADay says, there will be reorganization and reprioritization. But I don't think either the WSJ or the Slashfilm interpretation of the WSJ really nailed all the details.

And I think the Slashfilm article put an exaggerated spin on things that were already partly speculation and predicted a more dramatic shift than I think is likely.

I expect Disney to keep large portions of the current Fox largely independent to take advantage of the 'unDisney' product they're capable of producing.

But I could be wrong... or the WSJ and Slashfilm could be wrong. We'll see.
 
I don't think Marvel really knew who to go with I'm thinking the reason why they went to Sony is simply because of well 1. the whole movie deal and 2.
Sony knew a good fit for a licensed game and they also make good titles.

Marvel probably didn't know what Insomniac could do with the license in fact Marvel wasn't specific Insomniac could have chosen the X-Men.

Marvel wasn't specifically trying to make a Spidey game just a good Marvel game it's possible in the future I think that if the Spider-Man game does well they will simply go to Insomniac directly and find a new publish like Square Enix or anyone else.

Maybe Disney can dust off a publishing company and start their MGU from there and crack a deal with Sony for both movie rights and Spider-Man PS4 publishing rights.

I mean even if the Spidey game does well Sony can't rely on it since it's not their IP.

Also you heard that Disney is going to be coming back to game publishing in the near future well if that's the case then I really hope they nab Spider-Man 2018 and publish it for other platforms and the PS4 as a complete edition for 2019 or 2020. Then make sequels to it with Insomniac proper since they hopefully know it will be profitable for them.

What I heard is that it's in their roadmap after they get the balance sheet in order, i.e. 2021 or later.

The gaming deal has nothing to do with the movie deal, like you said Insomniac could have chosen another Marvel character/team (except FF/XMen at that time).

We'll see what happens, but I wouldn't expect this game to be ported anywhere else. If it does it'll be a nice surprise.
 
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