The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Darkprime]

Cranston would make an interesting Doom tho.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hard pass. Cranston for "insert villain here" has gotten stale lol Cranston is great but he isnt right for every bad guy.

 

[Detective Conan]

Yeah, now that you think about I guess one wouldn’t want to typecast the guy but if not a outright bad guy, then perhaps Bryan Cranston could play Jonah Jameson? Cranston has a lot comedic chops(look at Malcom In the Middle) and while Jonah isn’t always a humorous character I think Cranston might crush it in the role.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm still hoping JB smoove is JJJ.

 

[Darkprime]

you know the one spiderman spin off I want to see is sinister six yet they cant seem to get it off the ground. I hope thats what they are building up to.

Venom
Morbius
Kraven
Vulture
Scorpion
Shocker

Id watch that.

 

[Detective Conan]

JB Smoove is very good casting for JJJ.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

He's already in far from home in an undisclosed role. I hope JJJ is what it is.

 

[Darkprime]

if JJJ isnt in Far From Home then to be honest id probably rule him out being in this incarnation of spidey at all. Which is a shame.

 

[Detective Conan]

Don’t want to go talk about this too much since it is off-topic: but we really need to see Jonah again. We haven’t seen him on screen since SM3 which was over eleven years ago. He’s so vital to the mythos yet none of the live-action movies since the Riami ones have touched upon him besides a mention here and there in the second(and last) Webb film. Granted, the idea of Peter making ends meet by being an amateur photographer for the Daily Bugle is antiquated and needs some modernization. I kind of think they should make him a Alex Jones/Bill O’ Reily radio host who slanders superheroes like Spider-Man on a daily basis and starts spreading bizzare conspiracy theories about Spider-Man in order to stoke public distrust in him.

 

[Silvermoth]

Bit of interesting reading here Fox Execs Peter Rice, Dana Walden, John Landgraf, Gary Knell Set to Join Disney

Top 21st Century Fox television executives Peter Rice, Dana Walden, John Landgraf, and Gary E. Knell are officially headed to the Magic Kingdom.

The Walt Disney Co. announced that Rice and Walden will come aboard to lead the conglomerate’s non-sports television operations. Rice has been named chairman, Walt Disney Television and co-chair, Disney Media Networks. Walden has been named chairman, Disney Television Studios and ABC Entertainment Landgraf will serve as Chairman of FX Networks and FX Productions. Knell will serve as Chairman of National Geographic Partners

Maybe loeb might be worried he might get pushed out? I don’t know much about rice but if he played a role in making legion as good as it is maybe it’s not a bad thing?

 

[Spider-Fan]

probably someone else. my guess is he signed a non compete with Marvel. So even if Sony wanted to use him they couldnt.

Holland is tricky. We don't know if officially he is a Marvel Studios employee or a Sony one officially. Remember, Sony has to approve anything pertaining to Spider-Man in these movies and both Homecoming and Far From Home are Sony films. We don't know what type of protection Sony afforded Marvel here, or if said protection will expire when the current deal is over with Marvel Studios.

We just have so many unknowns with this whole deal, and all we think we know will change when Sony/Marvel Studios sit down to renegotiate. Someone tweeted above they have big plans for Norman Osborn. That's great, but how much is that worth to them? Is it worth Sony possibly pushing their spin-offs films into becoming official MCU ones, of which I have no doubts Sony is going to try to do. Sony wants Venom to crossover with Tom Holland. Prior articles we have seen have said they would love having other Avengers in their movies. Sony wants this. The question is will they get it? So, I am not writing off the possibility that Tom Holland could very well be Spider-Man in the Kraven movie they're talking about. But at the same time, it is far from being a lock. We just kind of have to see how this all evolves. Especially once FFH comes and goes.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

JB Smoove is very good casting for JJJ.

He's already in far from home in an undisclosed role. I hope JJJ is what it is.

I hadn't seen this. That would be great casting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Maybe Tom Holland as Spider-man is a special situation, but non-competes for actors seem very rare. We obviously see a lot of actors moving from studio to studio and playing different comic-book characters, and I think actors (and probably more importantly agents) would be reluctant to sign anything that would prevent them from having that freedom.

It looks like James Gunn didn't have a non-compete. But again, Tom Holland and Spider-man could be a unique situation. Though I could also imagine Marvel intentionally allowing that option as a bargaining chip to get Sony to sign the original deal.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I usually never second guess what Marvel does but I think the only major mistake they made was not signing Michael Keaton up as Norman Osborn.

Like that would’ve been perfection.

Matthew McConaughey >

 

[Smurphftw]

I'm still hoping JB smoove is JJJ.

I could see that working. I think that guy is funny as hell.

 

[Smurphftw]

Don’t want to go talk about this too much since it is off-topic: but we really need to see Jonah again. We haven’t seen him on screen since SM3 which was over eleven years ago. He’s so vital to the mythos yet none of the live-action movies since the Riami ones have touched upon him besides a mention here and there in the second(and last) Webb film. Granted, the idea of Peter making ends meet by being an amateur photographer for the Daily Bugle is antiquated and needs some modernization. I kind of think they should make him a Alex Jones/Bill O’ Reily radio host who slanders superheroes like Spider-Man on a daily basis and starts spreading bizzare conspiracy theories about Spider-Man in order to stoke public distrust in him.

So basically exactly the way he was handled in the recent Spider-Man game.

 

[Random490]

I remember when people were crying about "Disney won't make gritty R rated films!!!111!!!" or "Adult Fox films are dead!!!". When others were saying from the beginning that it makes sense to use the Fox brand for those type of films and no way were Disney not going to do it. They are a business and it was silly to think that they would pass up viable franchises because they were rated R, especially when they get a brand new subsidiary to put those type films under.

This also gives more faith in the Deadpool sequels still being R rated.

Exactly, any film made by Fox post Disney will continue with similar demographics. However since it seems that all Marvel properties will go back to Marvel Studios and R rated films seems fairly unlikely. Feige doesn't have a desire or reason to make an R film. It's out of the demographic they built and any film that contains the amount violence, profanity, and nudity as say Deadpool would need a considerable distance from the main MCU. It's not out of the realm of possibility but it does comes down to what Marvel Studios wants to do.

Yeah, now that you think about I guess one wouldn’t want to typecast the guy but if not a outright bad guy, then perhaps Bryan Cranston could play Jonah Jameson? Cranston has a lot comedic chops(look at Malcom In the Middle) and while Jonah isn’t always a humorous character I think Cranston might crush it in the role.

Yes. A thousand times, YES!

So Spider-Man is going to be in the Kraven spinoff according to the screen writer
Sony’s Kraven Movie May Include Spider-Man, Will Adapt Last Hunt Story

Well that's just baffling, we know with a fair amount of certainty that it won't be Tom Holland and introducing another Spider-man only to have him not be the title character. Like with Venom, which needed to Eddie's story, for this to work it has to be Kraven's story and frankly Spider-man would draw way more attention away from the lead. You could have Miles or Gwen but I think you'd still have the same problem. I think this might be a case of a writer starting a first draft and hasn't gotten an official "don't do that" yet or Sony's just having a back up ready if the MCU contract isn't renewed so they can soft reboot Spider-man.

A smarter thing to do is have Kraven hunt one of the other Sony characters: Venom, Morbius, Silk, etc. keep things contained.

Sony would sadly never sell Spider-Man back.

Sadly, yes. They did sell some rights back for some amount of money when the studio was having a tough time like 10 years ago. Turns out what they got was a faction of what they could have made if they held on to it for a while. Point is there's no amount of money for one lump sum that Marvel/Disney would be willing to pay to make it worth Sony's wild since they'll probably make more in the longer run holding on to it.

Marvel could make a deal where Sony gets a cut of everything made with Spider-man for the next 20 or so years, even then I doubt Marvel would want to do that.

Also remember the deal between Disney and Fox had nothing to do with Marvel. Disney doesn't care at all about those film rights it's just a happy side effect for us. Don't expect Disney to really ever write a check to revert film rights.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well that's just baffling, we know with a fair amount of certainty that it won't be Tom Holland and introducing another Spider-man only to have him not be the title character. Like with Venom, which needed to Eddie's story, for this to work it has to be Kraven's story and frankly Spider-man would draw way more attention away from the lead. You could have Miles or Gwen but I think you'd still have the same problem. I think this might be a case of a writer starting a first draft and hasn't gotten an official "don't do that" yet or Sony's just having a back up ready if the MCU contract isn't renewed so they can soft reboot Spider-man.

A smarter thing to do is have Kraven hunt one of the other Sony characters: Venom, Morbius, Silk, etc. keep things contained.
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While I’m very skeptical of Sony’s strategy and ability to pull it off, this does kind of make sense.

Sony needs a rich, full world with other characters to make this work. And Gwen and Miles may be involved, but Spider-man has to also be there for the rest of it to make sense.

Sony needs to avoid overusing Spider-man and they need to have other characters carry the load. By the time this film comes out, Spidey will have gotten a lot of exposure from Marvel films, so to avoid Spidey -fatigue, Sony should go slow.

Then when Spider-man does show up as the featured character, it will be special, and an event - like Avengers films are to Marvel.

 

[Endeavor]

A smarter thing to do is have Kraven hunt one of the other Sony characters: Venom, Morbius, Silk, etc. keep things contained.

The turd hunt

 

[Another_Fool]

The turd hunt

They better make sure a wind advisory isn't in affect if they want to easily catch them turds.

 

[Smurphftw]

The turd hunt

Allow me to riff on a few potential sequel names.

Turd Hunt 2: The Turdening

2 Turd 2 Hunt

Turd Hunt 2: Turd Harder

Turd2stic

(My inner 12 year old is really enjoying this)

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Allow me to riff on a few potential sequel names.

Turd Hunt 2: The Turdening

2 Turd 2 Hunt

Turd Hunt 2: Turd Harder

Turd2stic

(My inner 12 year old is really enjoying this)

 

[Random490]

While I’m very skeptical of Sony’s strategy and ability to pull it off, this does kind of make sense.

Sony needs a rich, full world with other characters to make this work. And Gwen and Miles may be involved, but Spider-man has to also be there for the rest of it to make sense.

Sony needs to avoid overusing Spider-man and they need to have other characters carry the load. By the time this film comes out, Spidey will have gotten a lot of exposure from Marvel films, so to avoid Spidey -fatigue, Sony should go slow.

Then when Spider-man does show up as the featured character, it will be special, and an event - like Avengers films are to Marvel.

I'm not so skeptical of their strategy but most definitely they cannot pull it off. Lot of people assumed Venom was going to be bad because there's no spider-man and that's not the case. It's bad because it's a poorly made movie. Even at his height of popularity Venom was written very silly and a pretty stupid character but he was still cool. People still came out to the theaters because he's cool. All they had to do was just make a good movie (plot, character arcs, dialog, etc.) and they would of had a hit.

Also you don't necessarily need Peter Parker for Miles and you definitely don't need it for Gwen since her backstory is specifically a universe without Spider-man.

The idea of taking characters, most of whom probably wouldn't appear in the MCU any time soon anyway, and creating you're own cinematic is not a bad idea. The problem is Sony has forgotten how to make a superhero film. Their mindset on how to make one is stuck in the mid-2000s where most them sucked but did well because the market was hungry for it, now the market is so over saturated the audience gets to pick and choose. Everyone is so busy trying to copy the gimmick of Marvel Studios (Cinematic universes) that they ignore the substance (make great films).

If Venom was an awesome movie we'd all be much more excited at the Morbius start date news.

The turd hunt

Allow me to riff on a few potential sequel names.

Turd Hunt 2: The Turdening

2 Turd 2 Hunt

Turd Hunt 2: Turd Harder

Turd2stic

(My inner 12 year old is really enjoying this)

All to setup Sony's crossover movie The Infinity Turd.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not so skeptical of their strategy but most definitely they cannot pull it off. Lot of people assumed Venom was going to be bad because there's no spider-man and that's not the case. It's bad because it's a poorly made movie. Even at his height of popularity Venom was written very silly and a pretty stupid character but he was still cool. People still came out to the theaters because he's cool. All they had to do was just make a good movie (plot, character arcs, dialog, etc.) and they would of had a hit.

Also you don't necessarily need Peter Parker for Miles and you definitely don't need it for Gwen since her backstory is specifically a universe without Spider-man.

The idea of taking characters, most of whom probably wouldn't appear in the MCU any time soon anyway, and creating you're own cinematic is not a bad idea. The problem is Sony has forgotten how to make a superhero film. Their mindset on how to make one is stuck in the mid-2000s where most them sucked but did well because the market was hungry for it, now the market is so over saturated the audience gets to pick and choose. Everyone is so busy trying to copy the gimmick of Marvel Studios (Cinematic universes) that they ignore the substance (make great films).

If Venom was an awesome movie we'd all be much more excited at the Morbius start date news.

Venom is already a hit. I agree with much of what you're saying, though. If Sony makes good movies, I will accept this universe they're making. But, I don't want every film to be Venom. Even though I liked Venom overall, it's barely acceptable for me. These movies have to keep getting better.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Venom is already a hit. I agree with much of what you're saying, though. If Sony makes good movies, I will accept this universe they're making. But, I don't want every film to be Venom. Even though I liked Venom overall, it's barely acceptable for me. These movies have to keep getting better.

The combination of the trailers and reviews gave me no reason to go.

Maybe, like with DC, people will show up to movies that look bad and get bad reviews and if so maybe it doesn't matter what people like me think. They'd be foolish to put an effort into pleasing people like me when they can make money by ignoring people like me, but I think the long term is highly questionable.

Venom certainly has better name recognition than Morbius or Kraven, and I suspect some people just showed up out of curiosity, and that curiosity only goes so far.

Did Venom set up or lead into Morbius or Kraven in any noticeable way? That's one thing that has worked very well for Marvel. They set up future films so that people want to see the next film in line. If Sony really wants to make something out of this, Venom should be making people want to see Morbius.