The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Dark Raven]

Who can they get as Kingpin for a film that would be better than D'Onofrio? If they wanted a proper DD and Kingpin for the big screen, then they shouldn't have cast D'Onofrio on the small screen but waited.

 

[Detective Conan]

I very much doubt an MCU Daredevil will be as good as the one we just got.

Which is why Marvel Studios isn’t going to be touching Daredevil for a very long time(if ever). I hate to burst people’s bubbles who want a movie but Marvel has plenty of other characters in their arsenal that they’re more interested in making a movie about. The reason why DD was dumped on television in the first place was because Feige felt the movie format especially within the more PG-13 realm of the MCU wouldn’t do justice to the borderline R-rated noir crime drama tone that most of the character’s best stories have. Any expectation that Marvel Studios is going to reboot Daredevil is a pipe dream without any basis in reality at all. I’m willing to bet money that if Daredevil comes into the MCU it will only be after Kevin Feige is no longer involved.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Daredevil is the best superhero tv show atm... I can't believe it got cancelled. Life is not fair and the talk of Daredevil possibly being recast in the near future hurts me even more.

That talk is really only from fans who are unhappy he was never in a movie. We don't have any real evidence of Marvel looking to recast the role or reboot or anything.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I don’t know if anyone over at Marvel Studios is reading this, but if y’all are: KEEP the Daredevil stunt/fight coordinating teams!

DD hands down has the best fights on tv, you could use them for the MCU proper!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don’t know if anyone over at Marvel Studios is reading this, but if y’all are: KEEP the Daredevil stunt/fight coordinating teams!

DD hands down has the best fights on tv, you could use them for the MCU proper!

They are better than the fights we get in the films!

 

[Iceman]

What sucks the most about this whole situation is that they only seem to be giving us concrete ideas of what's not going to happen- not what is. We don't know what the plan is (because we all know there has to be one, right?), even though that would greatly allay our fears.

Oh, and the TV executives not getting along with the movie executives is- obviously- a major issue that needs to be changed. We knew there was bad blood between Perlmutter and Feige, but to have this be a systemic, workplace culture issue is unacceptable to me since they are both Marvel.

If there’s bad blood between Feige and Perlmutter, then get rid of Perlmutter.

If there isn’t bad blood between Feige and Perlmutter, then get rid off Perlmutter.

 

[WeaponXCII]

Exactly. And as much as I dislike Perlmutter, it's not fair for the Marvel TV talents to be wasted like this and not get any connection to the MCU. Disney should just give everything to Feige instead of keeping the status quo, which might as well have a Berlin Wall between the movie and TV side.

It really is like having a Berlin Wall between the two sides. I can just imagine what the MCU would be like if they were more unified. Maybe if (when?) they reboot the universe....

 

[WeaponXCII]

If there’s bad blood between Feige and Perlmutter, then get rid of Perlmutter.

If there isn’t bad blood between Feige and Perlmutter, then get rid off Perlmutter.

I like the way you think!

 

[Marvel united]

In a perfect world, Daredevil from Netflix would have already appeared in Civil War and Infinity War and this news would only mean that the character is going to be fully incorporated into the MCU. But we don't live in a perfect world and these characters are too iconic to just sit on a shelf never to be used again because a couple of shows only loosely connected to the MCu -- were cancelled..

 

[Detective Conan]

I think Daredevil is pretty much going to be put on the shelf for a while. And frankly if the character is ever in the MCU-proper it will be after Kevin Feige leaves Marvel since Feige was the one who made the decision to dump the character on television since he didn’t want to make a movie. I don’t think see his position changing especially after the character has had a very successful show that’s now viewed as the definitive adaption of the character. That’s a lot to live up to and as long as Feige is with Marvel(which I expect will be several years more) then I guarantee you Daredevil will never be in the MCU. Feige will be busy enough with tons of other characters(especially now that he will be getting Marvel characters from Fox).

 

[OB12]

I don't agree with the notion that Feige dumped these characters on Netflix. At the time that this deal was made with Netflix, Marvel Studios was still trying to find their footing from a production standpoint, putting out at most 2 movies a year. I can totally understand the thought process. They had a schedule that they wanted to adhere to finishing trilogies for each of the big three while establishing new properties like GotG, DS, and Ant-Man. Bringing DD, IF, LC, and JJ to live action would've taken a back seat, so moving them to the emerging streaming market on Netflix made sense. I see no reason to believe that he sees less value in these properties.

 

[Detective Conan]

No. Feige didn't want Dardevil because he didn't think they could serve the character best within the generally more lighthearted PG-13 tone of the MCU. So he let the tv division have a crack at Daredevil. Essentially dumping the character on Netflix along with Iron Fist.

 

[Smurphftw]

Even though you anticipate it, that Daredevil cancelation still really stings. But like someone said, it would’ve been impossible to top season 3, it was literally perfection.

Maybe Elodie Yung can be MCU Psylocke now.

I personally didn't consider Dardevil's 13 episode s**tty black suit wearing pity party to be "perfection"

I would like to see Daredevil be awesome from the beginning and stay awesome throughout the whole story. Be that in a movie or a TV series run.

As a crime drama I thought Season 3 was quite good. I'm just sick to death of "the hero brought low" trope and that s**tty black suit. I never want to see that GD thing again. Ever.

 

[OB12]

No. Feige didn't want Dardevil because he didn't think they could serve the character best within the generally more lighthearted PG-13 tone of the MCU. So he let the tv division have a crack at Daredevil. Essentially dumping the character on Netflix along with Iron Fist.

I agree that he felt the tone wouldn't fit the movies but I still wouldn't call it a dump, more of a calculation, one that largely paid off. They got to realize these characters in live action in mostly successful fashion. I think ultimately the disconnect between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV worked to the disadvantage of these characters.

 

[HBarnill]

 

[Marvel united]

No. Feige didn't want Dardevil because he didn't think they could serve the character best within the generally more lighthearted PG-13 tone of the MCU. So he let the tv division have a crack at Daredevil. Essentially dumping the character on Netflix along with Iron Fist.

How do you know he felt this way? Citation needed. He talked about Iron Fist having a lot of potential as a movie too and that ended up dumped on Netflix as well. This deal was made 5 years ago, when Marvel was just beginning to really break out of the Phase 1 mold, they were not what they are today. Things could have easily changed.

 

[Iceman]

How do you know he felt this way? Citation needed. He talked about Iron Fist having a lot of potential as a movie too and that ended up dumped on Netflix as well. This deal was made 5 years ago, when Marvel was just beginning to really break out of the Phase 1 mold, they were not what they are today. Things could have easily changed.

Good point about the timescales. 5 years is a long time in MCU years. 10 years is the entire length of the MCU with much less activity in the early years. In the next 5 years we could be another 15 or more films deep!

 

[Marvel united]

Good point about the timescales. 5 years is a long time in MCU years. 10 years is the entire length of the MCU with much less activity in the early years. In the next 5 years we could be another 15 or more films deep!

Exactly. They were JUST coming off of a post-Avengers world and they were more conservative in the beginning. Clearly now, they are more ambitious than ever. At the time, we were only getting 2 films a year. Now we're likely going up to 4, put it in perspective. In the huge universe Marvel has created in the MCU, there may NOW be a role for those characters in the MCU -- Doors that were closed before because of the MCU only being 5 films in, are going to be open In a post-Infinity War MCU.

I hope Marvel announces plans to incorporate Daredevil and co into the MCU proper

 

[Spider-Fan]

How do you know he felt this way? Citation needed. He talked about Iron Fist having a lot of potential as a movie too and that ended up dumped on Netflix as well. This deal was made 5 years ago, when Marvel was just beginning to really break out of the Phase 1 mold, they were not what they are today. Things could have easily changed.

You're right. Things have changed. Now there are existing versions of the characters that were sold to the public as MCU version, with action figures and fans (especially DD) you will make angry if we're told "they don't count, sorry for the false advertising!!!" Fans for years have called for seeing these versions cross into the movies. Less me than others, but if it really is to give the fans what they want, then give us what we want.

 

[Marvel united]

You're right. Things have changed. Now there are existing versions of the characters that were sold to the public as MCU version, with action figures and fans (especially DD) you will make angry if we're told "they don't count, sorry for the false advertising!!!" Fans for years have called for seeing these versions cross into the movies. Less me than others, but if it really is to give the fans what they want, then give us what we want.

The majority of people seeing the MCU films (billions) are not paying attention to the Netflix side of things. And the majority of people will love the new Daredevil if he's introduced into the MCU because the new version will reach a much wider commercial audience. We've seen time and time and time again across multiple different adaptations, that fan outcry won't change the outcome. And the MCU has a dedicated built-in fanbase to combat the angry Daredevil fans, I don't think they will be as angry as you think. He was never the TRUE MCU Daredevil, it was only loosely connected to the MCU the same way Cloak and Dagger and Runaways are. As far as the average person is concerned, he is not MCU. It's just the way the cookie crumbles..

 

[Iceman]

Exactly. They were JUST coming off of a post-Avengers world and they were more conservative in the beginning. Clearly now, they are more ambitious than ever. At the time, we were only getting 2 films a year. Now we're likely going up to 4, put it in perspective. In the huge universe Marvel has created in the MCU, there may NOW be a role for those characters in the MCU -- Doors that were closed before because of the MCU only being 5 films in, are going to be open In a post-Infinity War MCU.

I hope Marvel announces plans to incorporate Daredevil and co into the MCU proper

True. I doubt they would be considering projects like Eternals straight after Avengers, but now that the universe has matured, many more possibilities are under consideration, and there is room for more types of films (with 3 and hopefully soon 4 a year).

 

[OB12]

Counterpoint. We've also seen at different times if you don't have the hardcore fanbase on your side, it makes winning over the GA a little more difficult. Why not just continue on with versions of Daredevil or Jessica Jones that already have support of the core fanbase?

 

[Zarex]

I doubt very much there will be fan outrage if Feige and company decide to reboot Old Hornhead into the movies in a half dozen years or so. Folks watched the program and bought the action figures because they liked this version of the character, not because Matt, Foggy and Karen existed within another fictional universe we also liked. Fans accepted new versions of Spidey and Bats after a very short period of time elapsed, and they'll come around to the all-new Daredevil as well.

As to why Feige likely won't just bring the Netflix Defenders into MCU proper? Well, in addition to the tension between the TV and film division, Kevin is a control freak who wants total creative control over the characters he puts on screen. It's easier and cleaner to bring in new characters without the Netflix baggage than to absorb the Netflix continuity into the cinematic MCU.

Think of the Netflix Universe as Marvel's version of the Star Wars Expanded Universe. You can certainly enjoy the stories. But they ain't canon.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The majority of people seeing the MCU films (billions) are not paying attention to the Netflix side of things. And the majority of people will love the new Daredevil if he's introduced into the MCU because the new version will reach a much wider commercial audience. We've seen time and time and time again across multiple different adaptations, that fan outcry won't change the outcome. And the MCU has a dedicated built-in fanbase to combat the angry Daredevil fans, I don't think they will be as angry as you think. He was never the TRUE MCU Daredevil, it was only loosely connected to the MCU the same way Cloak and Dagger and Runaways are. As far as the average person is concerned, he is not MCU. It's just the way the cookie crumbles..

At this point, there is no "cookie crumbling" anywhere as we have no evidence they're recasting the show characters or even doing anything with them at all at this point. This entire debate is based on hypothetical things and some fan desires because he never popped up into a movie and a few fans (such as you) are unhappy about that. The true fact is at this point, the only plan we know for sure with Daredevil is the Netflix show is over (for now... at least over on Netflix) and they say he may pop up in other things. Could be Charlie Cox, could be someone else, who knows. Even that is not really a guarantee at this point. So let's not act like the "cookie is crumbling" any specific way at this point. This is all an argument of preference.

 

[Kuwolski]

They are better than the fights we get in the films!

Eh, an apples and oranges comparison really. Street level action at its peak, but comparing it to an action sequence on Titan I don't get. I assume you mean in general, but I think my point stands, different expectations and requirements.