The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[OB12]

I think we can agree that Feige is a good judge of talent, so I can't see him looking at performances from Cox, D'norfrio, Bernthal, etc. and thinking that it is worth just tossing aside.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't see why they can't reuse Cox even if he is somewhat rebooted for the movies.

There were tons of Dracula films in the 70s starring Christopher Lee. None of them were sequels to each other or even connected. He died at the end of all of them. It's not like he was even brought back. These were all separate films which happened to star Christopher Lee as the main character.

They can get Charlie Cox back as DD and Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin even if they don't acknowledge the Netflix series.

In Casino Royale, Judi Dench plays M again. Is she the same M as in the Brosnan years? She doesn't seem to be at all. She's just played by the same actress. They can do the same with Cox and D'Onofrio.

Were the Dracula films part of a wider universe maintained by a visionary with a very specific vision? Ditto for Bond. And these movies came out in a completely different Hollywood landscape. 40 years ago.

No it isn't the same at all. They live in a universe that cannot marry with the MCU, while Cox and co already are supposed to be in it. The difference is night and day. Hulk was only distributed by Universal because they have the rights. But they still acknowledge the movie. That is what referencing a movie is called: acknowledging it happened.

"Last time I was New York, I kinda broke... Harlem." That's a vague reference. Betty, Blonsky and Ross (at first) did not return in The Avengers. Every other main Avenger had a supporting character in TA.

That's why I say Hulk is a more apt comparison. Feige didn't even want Norton in 2008, he wanted Ruffalo from the get go. And once they had a falling out, they recast Banner and redesigned Hulk. Only vaguely referencing the events that happened in TIH. Marvel was reluctant to embrace Hulk's solo and that's because of Universal's involvement and even now, they still treat TIH as the redheaded step child of the MCU. It didn't even get a special Blu Ray re-release like all of the other films. Daredevil is an even more extreme version of the situation with Universal because Feige had nothing at all to do with the creation of the Cox Daredevil. He had no input and his vision may be significantly different than Loeb and Drew Goddard.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I hope they keep Cox, D'Onofrio, Bernthal, Ritter and Missick for a start.

Bethel too!

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Charlie and D'Onofrio both deserve Emmys.

 

[Marvel united]

Another question is, will Disney be okay with it? You bring back Cox, you are bringing with him allusions to a series that is much darker and much more mature than any MCU film to date. Will Disney want to lead young viewers on a trail to finding the R-rated Daredevil on Netflix? I personally don't think so.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think we can agree that Feige is a good judge of talent, so I can't see him looking at performances from Cox, D'norfrio, Bernthal, etc. and thinking that it is worth just tossing aside.

Exactly. If he sees they work really well for the characters, is he going to get rid of them and recast just for the sake of recasting?

Were the Dracula films part of a wider universe maintained by a visionary with a very specific vision? Ditto for Bond. And these movies came out in a completely different Hollywood landscape. 40 years ago.

"Last time I was New York, I kinda broke... Harlem." That's a vague reference. Betty, Blonsky and Ross (at first) did not return in The Avengers. Every other main Avenger had a supporting character in TA.

That's why I say Hulk is a more apt comparison. Feige didn't even want Norton in 2008, he wanted Ruffalo from the get go. And once they had a falling out, they recast Banner and redesigned Hulk. Only vaguely referencing the events that happened in TIH. Marvel was reluctant to embrace Hulk's solo and that's because of Universal's involvement and even now, they still treat TIH as the redheaded step child of the MCU. It didn't even get a special Blu Ray re-release like all of the other films. Daredevil is an even more extreme version of the situation with Universal because Feige had nothing at all to do with the creation of the Cox Daredevil. He had no input and his vision may be significantly different than Loeb and Drew Goddard.

The point about the Dracula films or Bond films is that people weren't so overly confused by reusing the same actors. They accepted it. Here with Cox or D'Onofrio, it's precisely because they've been part of a wider universe already that there would be even less reason for confusion as to why they're reused.

And as OB12 said, Feige is a good judge of talent. He may not have had anything to do with casting Cox as DD or D'Onofrio as Kingpin, but that doesn't mean he is opposed to it either. There's a big difference between not being involved in a casting and being actively opposed (as in the case of Feige with Norton).

When a new director comes on board a film franchise, they won't have been involved in the original casting. Do they get rid of everything that wasn't their own just for the sake of it?

Patty Jenkins didn't have anything to do with casting Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman and she even admitted that if it were down to her, she would've probably cast someone else. But then she came to see Gal as perfect for Wonder Woman and embodying everything about the character that she wanted. It was so much so that she even told Gal that when in doubt, just be herself because she's already WW.

 

[Iceman]

It's not like it's even going to cause any confusion. It's not like actors in Fox Marvel movies being reused for MCU movies. Cox and D'Onofrio were already part of Marvel.

And even if there were some confusion, I would argue that the value of having them back to star as their respective characters in the movies would override and outweigh any sense of potential confusion. In other words, we'll live with and get over any confusion but would rejoice in having them back.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. It would be like if some continuity scholar pointed out that due to X and Y time loop and associated black holes, we have to go back to 2008 and cast a different actor for RDJ as Stark, the answer would be to F that little section of continuity. We can weather that damage for the benefit of having RDJ as Stark.

 

[Marvel united]

Exactly. If he sees they work really well for the characters, is he going to get rid of them and recast just for the sake of recasting?




The point about the Dracula films or Bond films is that people weren't so overly confused by reusing the same actors. They accepted it. Here with Cox or D'Onofrio, it's precisely because they've been part of a wider universe already that there would be even less reason for confusion as to why they're reused.

And as OB12 said, Feige is a good judge of talent. He may not have had anything to do with casting Cox as DD or D'Onofrio as Kingpin, but that doesn't mean he is opposed to it either. There's a big difference between not being involved in a casting and being actively opposed (as in the case of Feige with Norton).

When a new director comes on board a film franchise, they won't have been involved in the original casting. Do they get rid of everything that wasn't their own just for the sake of it?

Patty Jenkins didn't have anything to do with casting Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman and she even admitted that if it were down to her, she would've probably cast someone else. But then she came to see Gal as perfect for Wonder Woman and embodying everything about the character that she wanted. It was so much so that she even told Gal that when in doubt, just be herself because she's already WW.

Gadot was cast as Wonder Woman in a MOVIE with the specific intention of setting her character up for a solo film. WB had already mapped out plans for WW solo with Gadot before Patty even came onboard. Patty Jenkins is also not the head of the entire DCEU and she couldn't control whether Gadot was Wonder Woman, whether she wanted to or not. Feige can and will be able to recast and reboot Daredevil any way he sees fit because he basically runs the whole thing. If she had the power Feige has, she readily admits she would have recast initially.

Cox was cast as DD on a completely different format, in a loose branch of the MCU that Feige and his team pretend do not exist. He was never cast with the Intention of crossing over into the movies. It was an unlikely possiblity pre-2016 but after the creative committee was disbanded by Disney, any valid connection the shows had to the MCU was permanently severed. Now that Daredevil has been cancelled, Feige is going to bring somebody else's vision into his MCU? Why would Feige/Disney want an R-rated Daredevil actor coming into a family friendly MCU and cast their own vision? It is wayyy easier and much more simple to just start from scratch and not bring with them 38 hours of baggage with these "fresh" MCU characters.

 

[OB12]

Another question is, will Disney be okay with it? You bring back Cox, you are bringing with him allusions to a series that is much darker and much more mature than any MCU film to date. Will Disney want to lead young viewers on a trail to finding the R-rated Daredevil on Netflix? I personally don't think so.

I personally don't see this as a problem at all. The properties would likely end up on Hulu or FX, networks geared toward older audiences. If DD were to show up in Spider-Man in the future or if LC appears in Avengers, is a 7 year old going go back an binge those Netflix shows? I doubt it, they are just going to think it is cool that a new character showed up. Also, I don't believe those are true R-rated shows, I think they say they shoot for PG-16 if there were such a thing.

 

[Marvel united]

I personally don't see this as a problem at all. The properties would likely end up on Hulu or FX, networks geared toward older audiences. If DD were to show up in Spider-Man in the future or if LC appears in Avengers, is a 7 year old going go back an binge those Netflix shows? I doubt it, they are just going to think it is cool that a new character showed up. Also, I don't believe those are true R-rated shows, I think they say they shoot for PG-16 if there were such a thing.

Well, then, that is a very different discussion. One that centers around whether the shows themselves will continue. I'm more talking about the idea Cox and co will be assimilated into the MCU instead of Marvel Studios creating their own version of Daredevil from scratch. We know Marvel has plans for Daredevil now, that's for a for sure thing with the statement they released. The question now remains -- will it have anything to do with the MCU? I think it likely does and this is Disney wanting all of their toys back in-House. That includes Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Elektra, Kingpin and Bullseye. All coming back to Marvel *STUDIOS not Marvel Entertainment which are two different branches of the company

 

[OB12]

It may not be likely, but I would not be at all surprised if after the Fox acquisition is complete, there is a Marvel re-org where Marvel TV falls directly under Feige, where he will have someone who reports directly to him on all TV projects, whether it is Loeb or someone else. It would seem to be the perfect time to do something like that as there will be an influx of executives and talent coming into the company.

 

[Darkprime]

 

[Marvel united]

Knew it.

 

[Detective Conan]

Hulu or FX it is then.

 

[wobbly]

They know there is an audience for the Netflix shows. Wouldn't be surprised if they pick them up for thier own services.

Edit: Marvel entertainment that is, not Marvel Studios.

 

[Lilbaz]

Damn! I thought his huge announcement was he was changing his name to Huge Ackman!

I already guessed it was the tour though, because there are some posters over here in the UK.

That's just silly he'd never change his name to huge ackman. Huge Jackedman on the other hand...

 

[Iceman]

That's just silly he'd never change his name to huge ackman. Huge Jackedman on the other hand...

That one makes sense too

 

[Iceman]

It may not be likely, but I would not be at all surprised if after the Fox acquisition is complete, there is a Marvel re-org where Marvel TV falls directly under Feige, where he will have someone who reports directly to him on all TV projects, whether it is Loeb or someone else. It would seem to be the perfect time to do something like that as there will be an influx of executives and talent coming into the company.

Sounds like a good plan.

 

[Darkprime]

It may not be likely, but I would not be at all surprised if after the Fox acquisition is complete, there is a Marvel re-org where Marvel TV falls directly under Feige, where he will have someone who reports directly to him on all TV projects, whether it is Loeb or someone else. It would seem to be the perfect time to do something like that as there will be an influx of executives and talent coming into the company.

This has actually been a rumour for a while based on a quote from Iger about how there should not be two marvels as well as some other sources reporting that Marvel TV might get moved under Feige after the acquisition.

 

[Dark Raven]

That's just silly he'd never change his name to huge ackman. Huge Jackedman on the other hand...

Well Huge Ackman is a way to keep his name sounding phonetically the same but changing the spelling. As far as anyone who hears him introduce himself is concerned, they'll think he still has the same name, little knowing the spelling has changed.

Maybe we'll see actors named Pat Rickstewart, Michaelfass Bender, Fam Kerjanssen, Jenif Ferlawrence, Jamesmaca Voy etc.

 

[Lilbaz]

Well Huge Ackman is a way to keep his name sounding phonetically the same but changing the spelling. As far as anyone who hears him introduce himself is concerned, they'll think he still has the same name, little knowing the spelling has changed.

Maybe we'll see actors named Pat Rickstewart, Michaelfass Bender, Fam Kerjanssen, Jenif Ferlawrence, Jamesmaca Voy etc.

Ok. Huge ackman then.

 

[Marvel united]

Hulu or FX it is then.

That or a soft-reboot in the MCU proper.

 

[Iceman]

I think we can agree that Feige is a good judge of talent, so I can't see him looking at performances from Cox, D'norfrio, Bernthal, etc. and thinking that it is worth just tossing aside.

I don't think anyone could think that lol.

 

[Bach]

This has actually been a rumour for a while based on a quote from Iger about how there should not be two marvels as well as some other sources reporting that Marvel TV might get moved under Feige after the acquisition.

That's what I was hoping for but that statement about Disney+ not picking the Netflix shows kind of said the opposite.

 

[Darkprime]

That's what I was hoping for but that statement about Disney+ not picking the Netflix shows kind of said the opposite.

I wouldn't read too much into that. It just means Disney are keeping to their promise that Disney+ is family friendly PG13 content focused.