The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[ironwez20]

Spider-Man didn't.

Spiderman is the best selling superhero merchandise among kids and the most popular superhero. SOOOOOOO. Also it didn;t need to do that as spiderman isn't a team type hero. Agian soooooo

 

[ironwez20]

If by those standards Guardians was not a phenomenon, than neither are the X-Men, since everything I just described also described the X-Men at their peak.



If that were true, then the Sony Spider-Man movies wouldn't have sold more tickets than Homecoming, but they did. Even unadjusted for inflation, Spider-Man 3 made more money than Homecoming.

Never said Xmen was a phenomenon. i'mjust saying Xmen will be bigger than GOTG becuase of it's lore and characters. If MCU can make a niche brand like GOTG popular then Xmen will wipe the floor with GOTG.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Spiderman is the best selling superhero merchandise among kids and the most popular superhero. SOOOOOOO. Also it didn;t need to do that as spiderman isn't a team type hero. Agian soooooo

Sooooo almost like a popular hero joining the MCU isn't a magic cure all that will immediately result in billion dollar-plus grosses.

 

[MbJ]

Never said Xmen was a phenomenon. i'mjust saying Xmen will be bigger than GOTG becuase of it's lore and characters. If MCU can make a niche brand like GOTG popular then Xmen will wipe the floor with GOTG.

And like I just said: Spider-Man, despite all the surrounding hype, still made less than the Sam Raimi movies. An MCU X-Men movie will surely do big numbers, but acting like it'll be an instant magic bullet is putting the cart before the horse.

Spider-Man didn't.

I think one thing the MCU experiment has shown us is that audiences want something new and different. I mean right now it's looking extremely likely that the biggest hit of the DCEU will be a movie not fronted by Batman or Superman, but friggin' Aquaman, of all people.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think one thing the MCU experiment has shown us is that audiences want something new and different. I mean right now it's looking extremely likely that the biggest hit of the DCEU will be a movie not fronted by Batman or Superman, but friggin' Aquaman, of all people.

This is where I will admit that I am mostly looking at things from an American perspective. I would be surprised if Aquaman outgrosses Wonder Woman domestically, but we'll see. I'm not trying to be xenophobic or myopic or anything like that, but I really have no idea why certain things that Americans are "meh" on become super-popular in places like China (and vice-versa). I can make guesses, but I'm not going to claim I really know.

 

[Darkprime]

A bit ott. But Aquaman is looking like it has billion dollar potential. its already made half its budget back in China alone. Im a marvel guy through and through but this is great for comicbook movies as a whole.

 

[ironwez20]

Sooooo almost like a popular hero joining the MCU isn't a magic cure all that will immediately result in billion dollar-plus grosses.

Annnnnd you didn’t take into in account that this is spiderman’s 3rd reboot after a failed franchise. Sooooooooo yea. Also Spider-Man’s rep was damaged due to the lukewarm success of asm2

 

[ironwez20]

And like I just said: Spider-Man, despite all the surrounding hype, still made less than the Sam Raimi movies. An MCU X-Men movie will surely do big numbers, but acting like it'll be an instant magic bullet is putting the cart before the horse.



I think one thing the MCU experiment has shown us is that audiences want something new and different. I mean right now it's looking extremely likely that the biggest hit of the DCEU will be a movie not fronted by Batman or Superman, but friggin' Aquaman, of all people.

Like I told the other dude. 3rd reboot after a not so hot franchise. X-men is a totally different beast. X-men has never been rebooted. A different look and tone would def be magic. Don’t underestimate marvel’s best selling comic buddy lol

 

[ironwez20]

A bit ott. But Aquaman is looking like it has billion dollar potential. its already made half its budget back in China alone. Im a marvel guy through and through but this is great for comicbook movies as a whole.

I always said if DC tapped into there characters they’d be hits

 

[2kt09]

A bit ott. But Aquaman is looking like it has billion dollar potential. its already made half its budget back in China alone. I'm a marvel guy through and through but this is great for comicbook movies as a whole.

great for cbm's that no longer need 200 & above...heck 170 & above budgets to make a fantastic looking feature
and that number will keep going down, so we'll get even more movies/year

 

[MbJ]

Like I told the other dude. 3rd reboot after a not so hot franchise. X-men is a totally different beast. X-men has never been rebooted.

They just had a reboot in 2014. And if we're talking about Spider-Man having been damaged by subpar movies then the same can be said of the X-Men. In fact we're about to get two more likely messes with Dark Phoenix and New Mutants (as much as I want the latter to be good).

 

[ironwez20]

They just had a reboot in 2014. And if we're talking about Spider-Man having been damaged by subpar movies then the same can be said of the X-Men. In fact we're about to get two more likely messes with Dark Phoenix and New Mutants (as much as I want the latter to be good).

That wasn’t a reboot what are you talking about? That was a “prequel” to the already screwed up timeline. And yes. A grounded take on dark Phoenix that’s nothing like the original now imagine if marvel did it with a roster of developed xmen and a developed story and relationship. It’d be box office gold. X-men isn’t good now cause the people behind it aren’t embracing the characters like marvel is.

 

[MbJ]

That wasn’t a reboot what are you talking about?

Days of Future Past was absolutely a reboot. It literally ends with the timeline being rebooted with new actors and now the next movie is a straight up retread of a story that'd already been adapted in the original trilogy.

The fact that the new movies apparently think audiences can't do math and thus don't question how none of the ages match up despite it being a supposedly being a "prequel" does not change that.

 

[ironwez20]

Days of Future Past was absolutely a reboot. It literally ends with the timeline being rebooted with new actors and now the next movie is a straight up retread of a story that'd already been adapted in the original trilogy.

The fact that the new movies apparently think audiences can't do math and thus don't question how none of the ages match up despite it being a supposedly being a "prequel" does not change that.

Days of Future Past was absolutely a reboot. It literally ends with the timeline being rebooted with new actors and now the next movie is a straight up retread of a story that'd already been adapted in the original trilogy.

The fact that the new movies apparently think audiences can't do math and thus don't question how none of the ages match up despite it being a supposedly being a "prequel" does not change that.

Dude don’t even. That was not a reboot. Jackman even shows up in apoc. It was a messed up timeline. That’s it. Far from a reboot. It even takes place in the same universe. Soft reboot? Maybe but definitely not a reboot. Nothing changed tonally. Deadpool felt more like a reboot of the xmen then then dofp

 

[Darkprime]

i agree with Ironwez on that one. DOFP wasnt a reboot. And what different actors? the end goal of that movie was to erase last stand from the timeline they did that. But the actors were still the same. If it was anything it was a soft reset. First Class is what id call reboot.

 

[MbJ]

That was not a reboot.

They're literally remaking The Last Stand but with a new cast after the timeline was altered. That they tried to have their cake and eat it too by claiming it's a "prequel" (which somehow retroactively makes everyone in their 40s and 50s in the first movie lol) doesn't change that.

But regardless, even if you wanna quibble about the terminology, it still doesn't erase the point that the X-Men franchise has had just as many, if not more, bad movies than Spider-Man. So if by your own account Homecoming didn't gross as much as the Raimi movies because of the bad reputation of the past Spidey movies, that doesn't really inspire confidence in the claim that the X-Men will "obliterate" the Guardians of the Galaxy and send them off into obscurity.

Like I said, I'm sure an MCU X-Men movie could be a hit. But it's the acting like it's the golden goose needed to revitalize the MCU or something or that it'd drastically overshadow and eclipse the previous MCU flicks is a stretch based on the actual evidence.

 

[ironwez20]

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They're literally remaking The Last Stand but with a new cast after the timeline was altered. That they tried to have their cake and eat it too by claiming it's a "prequel" (which somehow retroactively makes everyone in their 40s and 50s in the first movie lol) doesn't change that.

But regardless, even if you wanna quibble about the terminology, it still doesn't erase the point that the X-Men franchise has had just as many, if not more, bad movies than Spider-Man. So if by your own account Homecoming didn't gross as much as the Raimi movies because of the bad reputation of the past Spidey movies, that doesn't really inspire confidence in the claim that the X-Men will "obliterate" the Guardians of the Galaxy and send them off into obscurity.

Like I said, I'm sure an MCU X-Men movie could be a hit. But it's the acting like it's the golden goose needed to revitalize the MCU or something or that it'd drastically overshadow and eclipse the previous MCU flicks is a stretch based on the actual evidence.

Let me spell it out for you buddy.
Xmen is a different timline. It is not a reboot. It's the same timeline but it's messed up. They are supposed to be the same characters but fox screwed up. I don't know what movie you watched but it stated several times that those xmen characters you see in the the new movies were the characters you'd see in the later movies. get it now.

So it's not a reboot. SPiderman had 3 notable reboots and the public knew of this. They changed the actor for Peter multiple times it caused a stir amoung fans. XMen never had this problem cause Wolverine was alaways the same guy. Spiderman was garnering fatguedue to Sony's mishandling.

So rebooting Xmen with a different vibe and the colorful characters and having it also be a team based movie would indeed blow the Guardians away cuase I don't know if you read Xmen but The Xmen have better lore and plots then the guardians ever did. There characters are iconic. If marvel were to take the formula they used and put it into the Xmen then I guarantee it would destory GOTG into obscurity. Cause like it or not. Xmen have a better team and lore than guardians.
Each Xmen film is pretty much the exact same. SO i'mpretty sure Marvel will add a new interesting formula that will breath life back into the brand. OK? Just cause Marvel made the guardians popular doesnt mean Xmen won't reach that same peak. Xmen is more than Wolverine and Magneto. Xmen is filled with endless possibilities.

Why on earth do you think Marvel wants them Back? Xmen under the marvel umbrella would be huge. Its no stretch at all. marvel wanted these characters they know it. I don't care how strong you believe in the MCU they won't get far with Zlist characters for long.

They are the ones who kept asking Sony for spiderman when they didn't need him. Having the xmen is icing on the cake for them. SO say goodbye to the guardians once the mutants enter the scene.

 

[MbJ]

. They are supposed to be the same characters but fox screwed up. I don't know what movie you watched but it stated several times that those xmen characters you see in the the new movies were the characters you'd see in the later movies.

The one that led to them remaking the same movie but with new actors.

So it's not a reboot. SPiderman had 3 notable reboots and the public knew of this. They changed the actor for Peter multiple times it caused a stir amoung fans. XMen never had this problem cause Wolverine was alaways the same guy. Spiderman was garnering fatguedue to Sony's mishandling.

The problem with the Spider-Man movies was that they got increasingly worse over time, not unlike the X-Men movies. It's just that X-Men rebounded with some good entries after the terrible ones like DOFP and Logan.

So rebooting Xmen with a different vibe and the colorful characters and having it also be a team based movie would indeed blow the Guardians away cuase I don't know if you read Xmen but The Xmen have better lore and plots then the guardians ever did. There characters are iconic.

You realize all that applies to Spider-Man, right?

Each Xmen film is pretty much the exact same. SO i'mpretty sure Marvel will add a new interesting formula that will breath life back into the brand.

Right, like Spider-Man: Homecoming.

I don't care how strong you believe in the MCU they won't get far with Zlist characters for long.

They've been getting along with mostly obscure (to the public) characters for 10 years lmao.

 

[Darkprime]

I still disagree with Iron on the Guardians being replaced by the xmen. The guardians will just be one piece of the cosmic MCU which the xmen will expand. The Guardians and X-Men can and will co-exist. Sure marvel might favor one over the other but theres no reason the two cant exist along side each other.

Marvel spent all that time and energy turning Guardians into an a-list franchise.They arent just going to toss that to the side. Volume 3 has.billion dollar potential despite the James Gunn situation and the delay. And they will expand the Guardians franchise with prequels sequels and spin offs a possible rocket and groot series on Disney+. Guardians is a billion dollar franchise and is here to stay.

 

[Raiden]

A bit ott. But Aquaman is looking like it has billion dollar potential. its already made half its budget back in China alone. Im a marvel guy through and through but this is great for comicbook movies as a whole.

Aquaman will be the first DC solo movie that makes it big that isn't part of the Trinity. It's an impressive feat, but MCU has already make it into an art form with the number of B list characters that turned into household names.

 

[ironwez20]

They're literally remaking The Last Stand but with a new cast after the timeline was altered. That they tried to have their cake and eat it too by claiming it's a "prequel" (which somehow retroactively makes everyone in their 40s and 50s in the first movie lol) doesn't change that.

But regardless, even if you wanna quibble about the terminology, it still doesn't erase the point that the X-Men franchise has had just as many, if not more, bad movies than Spider-Man. So if by your own account Homecoming didn't gross as much as the Raimi movies because of the bad reputation of the past Spidey movies, that doesn't really inspire confidence in the claim that the X-Men will "obliterate" the Guardians of the Galaxy and send them off into obscurity.

Like I said, I'm sure an MCU X-Men movie could be a hit. But it's the acting like it's the golden goose needed to revitalize the MCU or something or that it'd drastically overshadow and eclipse the previous MCU flicks is a stretch based on the actual evidence.

AGain not a reboot. Idk what ur defin

The one that led to them remaking the same movie but with new actors.



The problem with the Spider-Man movies was that they got increasingly worse over time, not unlike the X-Men movies. It's just that X-Men rebounded with some good entries after the terrible ones like DOFP and Logan.



You realize all that applies to Spider-Man, right?



Right, like Spider-Man: Homecoming.




They've been getting along with mostly obscure (to the public) characters for 10 years lmao.

What obscure characters? People know who Thor, iron man, and cap were. Not a whole lot but they still were well known. Gotg is the only property people didn’t know of. Everything else people knew of.

Dude xmen was not rebooted like Spider-Man. X-men didn’t go through the same hurdles Spider-Man did. Homecoming was trying to gain an audience from a damaged brand back. X-men would be breathing new life into the series. Homecoming wasn’t anything new outside the tech suit and mcu connection. Stop comparing Spider-Man to homecoming. To different beast.

 

[ironwez20]

I still disagree with Iron on the Guardians being replaced by the xmen. The guardians will just be one piece of the cosmic MCU which the xmen will expand. The Guardians and X-Men can and will co-exist. Sure marvel might favor one over the other but theres no reason the two cant exist along side each other.

Marvel spent all that time and energy turning Guardians into an a-list franchise.They arent just going to toss that to the side. Volume 3 has.billion dollar potential despite the James Gunn situation and the delay. And they will expand the Guardians franchise with prequels sequels and spin offs a possible rocket and groot series on Disney+. Guardians is a billion dollar franchise and is here to stay.

Meh I think they won’t have a huge role once marvel gets its fox characters back. They’ll show up sure but they’ll be more like cameos and little scenes. Rocket and groot are the only characters people seem to love anyway. Not the man baby and the others.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is where I will admit that I am mostly looking at things from an American perspective. I would be surprised if Aquaman outgrosses Wonder Woman domestically, but we'll see. I'm not trying to be xenophobic or myopic or anything like that, but I really have no idea why certain things that Americans are "meh" on become super-popular in places like China (and vice-versa). I can make guesses, but I'm not going to claim I really know.

Even Battleship made over $237 million overseas and over $300 million worldwide. They probably didn't make money back on it, but for whatever reason, overseas audiences seemed to enjoy it.

 

[MbJ]

AGain not a reboot.

Right. Just a remake of a movie they already made with a new cast.

What obscure characters?

LOL

Homecoming was trying to gain an audience from a damaged brand back.

I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or not anymore, because you've literally just described the X-Men franchise.

 

[Darkprime]

One thing I hope Marvel doesnt lose once the Fox deal closes is that strive to make films based on really obscure and unique characters.

Which is why im greatful they didnt have the xmen and f4 when they started otherwise we might never have gotten guardians,antman or doctor strange or black panther. or heck even Iron Man. if Marvel had their way in 2008 we would have had a MCU filled with nothing but xmen.

It forced marvel to think outside the box. i do worry that once the Fox characters come back theyll no longer give us the crazy obscure characters like eternals or Nova.