The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Shinobi Shaw]

I also really want the character of Susan Storm Richards to win also. She's like a diplomat but always plays second fiddle to the other members of the Fantastic Four. Hope they get MCU Sue right as well.

 

[Iceman]

Civil War is no doubt a Captain America film. Character quantity means little, it is about what the movie is about. Cap is firmly the driving force and and the obvious protagonist of Civil War. Iron Man is an antagonist. The other Avengers are supporting characters.

I've endlessly debated this with people though and don't feel like doing it again, lol.

You're right. It's just that the story of CW felt less personal as a result of having so many high profile supporting characters IMO. I would rather have had 2 films - a separate more personal Cap 3 with bigger roles for all the Cap-specific characters, and a MCU event film CW, where Cap would also be one of the major characters.

I couldn't resist replying but no need for a debate you don't want mate lol - you're right IMO and that's just my preference.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You're right. It's just that the story of CW felt less personal as a result of having so many high profile supporting characters IMO. I would rather have had 2 films - a separate more personal Cap 3 with bigger roles for all the Cap-specific characters, and a MCU event film CW, where Cap would also be one of the major characters.

I couldn't resist replying but no need for a debate you don't want mate lol - you're right IMO and that's just my preference.

I would be all for a more personal Captain America 4 still featuring Evans in the role. But with CW, I do think they did a great job telling a Captain America story with so many characters. I would agree it is less focused on Cap than other Marvel solos, but it is still a Cap centric story. My other argument for it being a Cap film and not an MCU event film is they would had to have delayed IW/Endgame to do it that way. So I am pretty happy with what we got overall.

And no worries

 

[Iceman]

I would be all for a more personal Captain America 4 still featuring Evans in the role. But with CW, I do think they did a great job telling a Captain America story with so many characters. I would agree it is less focused on Cap than other Marvel solos, but it is still a Cap centric story. My other argument for it being a Cap film and not an MCU event film is they would had to have delayed IW/Endgame to do it that way. So I am pretty happy with what we got overall.

And no worries

Agreed.

 

[Lilbaz]

Ororo and T'Challa have a long history in the comics. She was worshipped as an African Goddess in Kenya by tribespeople. Both Ororo and T'Challa come from royalty and Black Panther was one of the biggest Marvel films ever made. It makes perfect sense to spearhead the X-Men's introduction into the MCU by introducing one of Marvel's most iconic female heroes in one of their biggest franchises which can strongly establish her African roots.

Her origin she was a theif, it was with xavier and the shadow king and had nothing to do with bp. In future films yes build a relationship between them as they did in the comics but from a narative point i can't see why she would be hanging with the king of wakanda from the start. She then become one of the xmen, an underground group of mutants. Or do you skip her origin entirely and have her as an african goddess dating bp? Or change it?

 

[Tymminator]

It was established in older books that before T’Challa became king and before Ororro was worshiped as a goddess, they hung out together wandering around Africa as teens for a short spell. I don’t know if the MCU will take that route as I have a feeling they will make her younger.

 

[Zarex]

Comic book readers were introduced to Ororo as an young African goddess in Giant Sized X-Men #1. I would be perfectly happy with that as a starting point rather than dredging up her convoluted back story, which was already put on screen in X-Men Apocalypse.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Simplify.

The next movie, T'Challa could go on a mission or something and his jet crashes into the Serengeti and he gets injured. He comes across Ororo's cult and she or them nurses him back to health, all the while planting seeds of romance and then ultimately they join forces to beat someone's ass. Maybe the Shadow King.

 

[Shuri]

Simplify.

The next movie, T'Challa could go on a mission or something and his jet crashes into the Serengeti and he gets injured. He comes across Ororo's cult and she or them nurses him back to health, all the while planting seeds of romance and then ultimately they join forces to beat someone's ass. Maybe the Shadow King.

I don't want any romance between T'Challa and Storm, he's with Nakia. I'm conflicted about storm showing up in black panther sequel. On one hand, that would be a great place to introduce her on the other hand, some fans or tptb might want Nakia to be written out so that a romance between BP and storm could happen.

 

[Marvel united]

Her origin she was a theif, it was with xavier and the shadow king and had nothing to do with bp. In future films yes build a relationship between them as they did in the comics but from a narative point i can't see why she would be hanging with the king of wakanda from the start. She then become one of the xmen, an underground group of mutants. Or do you skip her origin entirely and have her as an african goddess dating bp? Or change it?

Ororo was already being worshipped as the Storm goddess when she was recruited by Charles in Giant-Sized X-Men #1. She was a very young child, 12 years old -- during that period in her life when she was an orphan. She traveled to Kenya and spent the next 12 years in Africa before Charles showed up.

So it makes sense that she's currently living in Africa in the MCU and this Is why she's involved with Wakanda. They were crushing on each other since they were in their teens:


She has strong ties to Wakanda. It's a natural, organic way to start integrating bits and pieces of the X-Men lore into the MCU. And having a Storm with ties to Black Panther be a main character in X-Men movies would be incredibly beneficial to the X-Men because of how big the Black Panther brand is right now.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I don't want any romance between T'Challa and Storm, he's with Nakia. I'm conflicted about storm showing up in black panther sequel. On one hand, that would be a great place to introduce her on the other hand, some fans or tptb might want Nakia to be written out so that a romance between BP and storm could happen.

Unpopular opinion but I could take or leave BP/Nakia. Don't get me wrong, I think Lupita did a great job in the role, but as far as romantic chemistry between her and Chadwick, I just didn't catch it. I just think that on a greater level, a live action (natural) romance between BP & Storm would be amazing because of what it's symbolic of. The Wakandan King and the African Goddess together and kicking ass, that's black love personified.

And you and I both know black people will go out IN DROVES to see a BP/Storm wedding. Black Twitter would act the fool lol.

 

[Darkprime]

John Campea made a great argument on his youtube show how Its a good thing why Venom being a success actually increases the chances of spidey staying in the MCU and you know I agree with him.

if Venom flopped it would have told sony that they cant be successful without Spidey but Venom made over 800 million without him. I think the chances of a deal renewal are high and in our favor. I can see Sony making some alterations tho thst will allow a live action Miles in the Venom verse.

 

[ironwez20]

Sony is rumored to be bought by Apple . We will see

 

[Silver Surfer]

Isn't Nakia destined to be a villain? like Carol Ferris is for Green Lantern.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Let's face it, if the deal is done, what if Deadpool is the one who rescues stark?

Yeah, I know, back in my cage.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Isn't Nakia destined to be a villain? like Carol Ferris is for Green Lantern.

Comics nakia is a very different character compared to the comics. In the comics she was a delusional teenager who was obsessed with the king. And when he didnt love her she lost her marbles.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

John Campea made a great argument on his youtube show how Its a good thing why Venom being a success actually increases the chances of spidey staying in the MCU and you know I agree with him.

if Venom flopped it would have told sony that they cant be successful without Spidey but Venom made over 800 million without him. I think the chances of a deal renewal are high and in our favor. I can see Sony making some alterations tho thst will allow a live action Miles in the Venom verse.

I completely disagree with Campea (definitely not the first time). If Spider-Man Universe films are giant successes for Sony, all it shows them is that they don't need Marvel to make money, so why work with them? Venom bombing would have given Disney far more leverage.

 

[Darkprime]

Far From Home trailer delayed again apparently.

Spider-Man: Far From Home Trailer Has Been Delayed

 

[Lip]

Her origin she was a theif, it was with xavier and the shadow king and had nothing to do with bp. In future films yes build a relationship between them as they did in the comics but from a narative point i can't see why she would be hanging with the king of wakanda from the start

I feel like bringing up Storm in a Black Panther movie has nothing to do with tying her with T'Challa. It's about Black Panther providing a fantastic plataform to celebrate african culture in the most beautiful way. It's about respecting Ororo's origin in the best way they can rather than just making her T'Challa's love interest.

I honestly don't feel like any X-Men movie can celebrate and respect Ororo's heritage as beautifully as the team behind Black Panther can. Unless we're talking about Coogler and that creative team joining the X-Men movies, which I'm certainly not oppossed to. But right now, Black Panther has the best plataform in the MCU to introduce Storm, in my opinion.

Ororo can be introduced there, then later take the leading role that she deserves in the X-Men movies.

 

[KBX]

While Fox decided to focus on Logan, Charles, Eric and Mystic when they’re many many X-men deserving of screen time, they knew they couldn’t focus on everyone. If you get Storm in BP, Rogue in Captain Marvel 2, etc. you get to showcase them, flesh them out as side characters before the eventually X-men movie.

Honestly the script for BP2 isn’t due to after the merger concludes so if Coogler goes to Feige asking to use Storm, I’m inclined Feige would allow it. Did get turned down to use Kraven though, for obvious reasons

 

[Xeno]

Let's face it, if the deal is done, what if Deadpool is the one who rescues stark?

Yeah, I know, back in my cage.

Since when has Deadpool had the ability to travel thru space?

Thor and Rocket are Tony's likeliest rescuers. Rocket can (probably) locate the Benatar and Thor can transport them to it via the Bifrost. Poor Rocket is destined for even more heartbreak when he learns he's truly alone, I fear.

 

[Xeno]

Sony is rumored to be bought by Apple . We will see

That is not even a rumor. It was just speculation from a nameless Variety staffer that certain irresponsible sites pretended was news.

 

[Tymminator]

Since when has Deadpool had the ability to travel thru space?

Thor and Rocket are Tony's likeliest rescuers. Rocket can (probably) locate the Benatar and Thor can transport them to it via the Bifrost. Poor Rocket is destined for even more heartbreak when he learns he's truly alone, I fear.

Wong could do it to, if he didn’t get dusted.

 

[ironwez20]

That is not even a rumor. It was just speculation from a nameless Variety staffer that certain irresponsible sites pretended was news.

Wow really?

 

[Dark Raven]

Yes, getting a variety of looks for Storm over a large number of different films would be ideal.

Wolverine is obviously a great character but Fox wanted him to be every character. They gave us DofP with him taking Kitty's role and the Dark Phoenix story with him taking Scott's role. This was even after having the spotlight in X1 and 2.

In the MCU, Wolverine can have Professor Xavier's role and even his own wheelchair. He can reveal a bald head under that bouffant hairstyle.

He can also have Magneto's role and then he can play chess with himself.

He can also be a new student and a mature student. And if you give him both Scott and Ororo's role, he can fight himself to contest the leadership, leaving him as Professor X to decide the winner.