The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Darkprime]

I want this to crash and burn as much as the next person but Superhero movies have been bulletproof lately. I think the box office might surprise people.

I really think with Disney's marketing behind it, it could elevate the film. The general audience will see it simply because they think its now part of the MCU or their just curious to see how the Foxverse end.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yuck

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Why can't Disney give a definitive answer about New Mutants?

Maybe they don't have a definitive answer? Maybe they haven't decided what they are going to do with it yet?

 

[Darkprime]

 

[Marvel united]

Wow

 

[Docker2.0]

Calling it now people and I'm not being negative just being real:

I don't think Eternals will bomb but I do not see it being a regular Marvel hit. You guys know I've a die hard Marvel Zombie but some of the decisions with this obscure property just don't sound right. Call me whatever but just being real.

 

[Darkprime]

Calling it now people and I'm not being negative just being real:

I don't think Eternals will bomb but I do not see it being a regular Marvel hit. You guys know I've a die hard Marvel Zombie but some of the decisions with this obscure property just don't sound right. Call me whatever but just being real.

The same thing was said about Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Docker2.0]

The same thing was said about Guardians of the Galaxy.

Nope. This is different. GotG takes place now with the Avengers and was always meant to crossover. Eternals is suppose to take place millions of years in the past. Unknown characters, introduction of a gay male lead(say what you want, everyone isn't ready for it), tone is not really known, no crossovers into the MCU because no one is born yet..................I trust Fiege but I just can't see it doing that well but here's hoping I'm wrong.

 

[wobbly]

Nope. This is different. GotG takes place now with the Avengers and was always meant to crossover. Eternals is suppose to take place millions of years in the past. Unknown characters, introduction of a gay male lead(say what you want, everyone isn't ready for it), tone is not really known, no crossovers into the MCU because no one is born yet..................I trust Fiege but I just can't see it doing that well but here's hoping I'm wrong.

Where do you get it's only set in the past?

 

[Marvel united]

Interesting

 

[Darkprime]

Nope. This is different. GotG takes place now with the Avengers and was always meant to crossover. Eternals is suppose to take place millions of years in the past. Unknown characters, introduction of a gay male lead(say what you want, everyone isn't ready for it), tone is not really known, no crossovers into the MCU because no one is born yet..................I trust Fiege but I just can't see it doing that well but here's hoping I'm wrong.

Everyone doubted Marvel when Guardians and Ant-Man were announced. Marvel proved everyone wrong both times. This is the MCU we're talking about. In a post End Game world they will basically be able to green light anything and as long as Marvel Studios name is attached it will be a reasonable success. I do agree though that Eternals will push the boundaries of the audience and will be a test to see how far they will let Marvel go with their weird and obscure characters.

 

[Docker2.0]

Everyone doubted Marvel when Guardians and Ant-Man were announced. Marvel proved everyone wrong both times. This is the MCU we're talking about. In a post End Game world they will basically be able to green light anything and as long as Marvel Studios name is attached it will be a reasonable success. I do agree though that Eternals will push the boundaries of the audience and will be a test to see how far they will let Marvel go with their weird and obscure characters.

No.........everyone DID NOT doubt GotG. Most just didn't think it would be successful as it was. It was introducing the cosmic side to the MCU so a lot of people felt it could be a hit. Eternals.......I just don't see it. I'm trying to, die hard Marvel guy, I just don't see it. To many questionables and doing to way to much for the intro of these far out characters. Quote me but this film will struggle to make $500M WW. I know that still sounds like a "hit" per say but if you look at Marvel's past recent releases, it's a huge step back.

 

[Marvel united]

I thought we were past the Phase of deeming lesser-known properties bombs because no one has heard of them when Ant-Man made 600m. Marvel are stronger than ever right now and Eternals bringing something new to the genre will be welcomed with open arms. We need variety

 

[Docker2.0]

Ok well................quote me now because I'm on record. This property is WAAYYYY different from the other Marvel properties that we have seen so far. And again, there are other variables but we shall see. I'm going to even put it in my sig just so people don't forget.

 

[Detective Conan]

Spoilers for Dark Phoenix might p**ss off some people.

Spoiler

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Where is this "Eternals is set COMPLETELY millions of years ago" info coming from?

I have no doubt that there will be some portions of the film that shows the Eternals in the past but that hasn't usually been what Eternal stories are about. Look at any random Eternal comic cover and they are all in the modern world.

Also... Honestly who gives a **** about Flash Thompson? Really? I get it... This version isn't like the comics or the previous film versions.

Okay... Even in the now "classic" Raimi films... How much of a factor was Thompson? He was a glorified background character. Same in the first Webb film. Are we seeing a pattern? And the pattern is... THESE ARE MOVIES. THEY HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO TELL THEIR STORIES. Expecting that all aspects of the mythos get put onscreen is setting yourself up for disappointment.

"But if Flash isn't the character he was in the comics how will we ever get the Agent Venom story in the MCU?"

You were never promised the Agent Venom story. Or Hobgoblin. Or the Man-Spider or Madame Web or a crap metric ton of the decades long continuity of the comics.

Not all aspects, even important aspects of the comics are guaranteed to make it on screen "just cause". That goes for the solo heroes and probably doubly so for the sprawling teams of Marvel Comics. This has already gone on for ten years. No MCU adaptation has taken the full aspects of the comics and put them up on the screen without changes or revisions. Not one movie. And no solo hero or team has been an exception.

Tony Stark is the character on screen in the MCU the longest and so far they BARELY scratched the surface of material they could adapt. It's been eleven years. He may well not even be appearing again in the MCU for a long time.

Rather than think that these films "owe" you something as a fan, as though we are entitled to whatever character or long time (or recent) aspect from the comics we have to get that these things are actually being done for the widest audience possible. In all honesty... We're along for the ride. At best the big studios like to USE us as enthusiastic shills online, as the tippiest of tips of the spear of marketing but don't think that they are catering these products to the longtime reader who knows who Candy Southern is and will find Angel's appearance in the MCU unsatisfactory unless she's there too.

 

[Darkprime]

Feige might have to wait 3-5 years before the X-Men make their MCU debut if the movie ends up being as bad as those tweets make it out to be. Maybe that was all part of the plan to leave the x-men in such a state where even Marvel wont want to use them.

 

[Docker2.0]

Feige might have to wait 3-5 years before the X-Men make their MCU debut if the movie ends up being as bad as those tweets make it out to be. Maybe that was all part of the plan to leave the x-men in such a state where even Marvel wont want to use them.

Honestly? They should cancel this and release it on Disney+ or Hulu. If this doesn't prevent Kinberg from having a job again.........even though F4 should have as well, then nothing will. I'm shocked Fiege isn't stopping this from hitting theaters. They paid billions for Fox, why not just eat the millions this has spent on put it on Disney+?

 

[Smurphftw]

This is true but that doesn’t mean its good. This flash looks like you could beat him up without using any strength. He’s more of an internet nerd who bullies online and quiet in real life.

He did plenty of real life bullying. "Penis Parker" wasn't a term of endearment.

He bullies with words, not fists. That was the whole point.

 

[Smurphftw]

If no-one likes this Flash, then he's just an annoying troll. Why should Peter even care what he thinks or what he says online if Flash doesn't have the backing of others to influence them? Why would others even believe what he says?

Even if Flash weren't a physical bully and jock, he was still the most popular kid in the class or school and girls wanted to be with him. He also had social influence and his words carried weight with others.

Revelori's Flash seems like the least popular kid in the school. How can this Flash even realistically bully Peter even psychologically if no-one is supporting him? There's an old proverb which says "He who thinks he is leading when no-one is following is only taking a walk". That's exactly what it's like with Revelori's Flash. Who is actually following him when no-one seems to like him? He's walking alone. At least comic Flash had followers.

Even Peter seems more popular than him. In fact, compared to any of the other kids at this school and how nerdy they look, Peter looks like the coolest and most traditionally Flash like. He should be the one getting all the girls.

When Peter looks like the coolest kid in a school full of nerds, then there's something wrong with that.

This Flash is just a pest, not a major influencer of others. He's like the kid no-one liked whom everyone beat up - even the girls.

He was popular enough to get an entire party full of teenagers to chant "Penis Parker" in unison. Unpopular kids dont have that power. If an unpopular kid tried that everyone would just look at him like he's an idiot and ignore him completely. He obviously has some popularity and influence at that school.

Even if what you're saying was true, Literally anything would have been better than seeing the psychopathic jock for 150 billionth time.

 

[ironwez20]

He did plenty of real life bullying. "Penis Parker wasn't a term of endearment.

He bullies with words, not fists. That was the whole point.

Like I said. He doesn’t seem like the person who would talk **** to someone’s face but online. He’s more of a nerd than peter

 

[Marvel united]

Marvel don't need to wait 5 years to introduce the X-Men.

Also, Flash wasn't bullying anybody. Peter wasn't being affected by him. He was just a loser trying to get anybody's attention who would listen.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I want this to crash and burn as much as the next person but Superhero movies have been bulletproof lately. I think the box office might surprise people.

The X-Men films have consistently underperformed at the box office. Their few breakout hits have either some unique hook (DOFP, Logan) or are really funny (Deadpool movies).

 

[Xeno]

He did plenty of real life bullying. "Penis Parker" wasn't a term of endearment.

He bullies with words, not fists. That was the whole point.

Homecoming got it right on Flash's bullying. Most real bullies use ridicule and humiliation on their targets, not fists and weapons. Destroying another kid's self-esteem is the way they build themselves up. Social ostracism and psychological abuse are much more potent tactics, anyway, because it's hard to stop bullies from verbally abusing other kids. On the other hand, a kid who beats others up will be quickly singled out and disciplined or even expelled from school.

 

[Shuri]

With Angelina Jolie joining the cast and the rumors of a diverse cast, I don't see Eternals doing less than 750m. That movie is going to surprise everyone.