The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Chip Chipperson]

well at least we probably know the next Johnny Storm will probably be pretty great

3rd times the charm!

 

[SAUspartan]

You guys are way too harsh on Kimberg. He's with fox so he's automatically horrible to some of you.

 

[Dasher10]

Why is Fox bothering with a sequel to a film that won Razzies? The actors were miscast. Their two greatest villains were combined into one character and then killed off which means no chance of doing Doom or Annihilus right. There's no excitement from the cast about returning. The film was a financial failure.

The FF need a hard reboot, not a sequel. This is the worst possible course of action. I thought that even though there was a lot that I didn't like about The Amazing Spider-Man, it was still able to be salvaged in the sequel but TASM2 was worse on every level while still being truer to the source material. There are very few ways to fix a film as bad as FF2015.

I myself have only ever seen one good sequel to a terrible first effort and that was The Devil's Rejects. Even then, those were low budget films, not tentpoles with 9 figure budgets. It's ultimately a waste of Fox's time and there is no reason to ever do another film in the series.

Work out a dead with Marvel similar to what Universal and Sony have where Fox will distribute the Fantastic Four while Marvel reboot from scratch with a whole new cast and merge universes with the X-Men. Do not do a Fantastic Four sequel. It will not make money. Nobody wants to see it. Nobody asked for a sequel. This is the dumbest course of action possible.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Anybody knows who does Namor rights belong?

 

[Endeavor]

Anybody else think that there's a chance that Marvel released this bit of casting today as a slap in the face to this Kinberg hack, to shut him up?

 

[Endeavor]

Anybody knows who does Namor rights belong?

Marvel Studios has most ownership.
Universal has distribution rights for an individual Namor film.

 

[Endeavor]

You guys are way too harsh on Kimberg. He's with fox so he's automatically horrible to some of you.

Not the case for me.
He's horrible because he's a talentless hack, as evidenced by most of his resume.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Marvel Studios has most ownership.
Universal has distribution rights for an individual Namor film.

Does that mean Marvel Studios need permission from Universal to make Namor film?

 

[Endeavor]

Does that mean Marvel Studios need permission from Universal to make Namor film?

It means if they make a Namor solo movie then either Universal would distribute it or Disney would have to work something out with them financially to be able to distribute it themselves.

But Marvel Studios can include Namor in an ensemble movie (Avengers, Fantastic Four , or any other hero movie) and they'd be in their full right to use the character there and distribute that film on their own.

 

[wobbly]

You guys are way too harsh on Kimberg. He's with fox so he's automatically horrible to some of you.

Nah, Hackbergs resume is littered with trash beyond cbms. The only exceptions are when he had other (better) writers doing the heavy lifting.

If he joined Marvel I'd be very concerned.

 

[Neno_Kos]

It means if they make a Namor solo movie then either Universal would distribute it or Disney would have to work something out with them financially to be able to distribute it themselves.

But Marvel Studios can include Namor in an ensemble movie (Avengers, Fantastic Four , or any other hero movie) and they'd be in their full right to use the character there and distribute that film on their own.

Thanks. t: Ever since Civil War and that [BLACKOUT]underwater prison[/BLACKOUT] I started thinking could we get Namor in MCU.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You guys are way too harsh on Kimberg. He's with fox so he's automatically horrible to some of you.

he's struck out more than he's hit

nothing personal

 

[Endeavor]

Thanks. t: Ever since Civil War and that [BLACKOUT]underwater prison[/BLACKOUT] I started thinking could we Namor in MCU.

I've been waiting for a Namor movie since before Iron-Man 1, when Arad described the then "in development" project as "Star Wars under water".
I hope we get to see him sometime soon.

 

[wobbly]

Anybody else think that there's a chance that Marvel released this bit of casting today as a slap in the face to this Kinberg hack, to shut him up?

The timing, if not deliberate, was certainly an unfortunate coincidence for Simple Simon.

Sometimes its better to keep ones mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and confirm you're one.

 

[Endeavor]

^ Simple Simon , LOL, I like it.
That's his new name

 

[ADollarADay]

The thing is, why then did Disney - DISNEY! - hand over TV rights to FOX? I suppose Legion and Hellfire may throw off a few shekles, but we're talking about a company that just closed down its in-house gaming studio because while it was making money, it wasn't making ENOUGH money. Disney is all about franchises, and I can't see the Mouse squandering the opportunity to expand the wildly successful MCU in exchange for a couple of bucks.

I am convinced that Disney would not have expanded FOX's rights to the X-Men character family without getting character rights in exchange. And the ramblings of a clearly delusional hack won't sway my opinion.

I was debating with someone on another forum about this FF topic (and him claiming Fox had the rights to do cross over films based on what Kinberg had said in 2015) and this came up. He claims that the talks between Marvel and Fox led to the realization that the live tv deal was part of the original films deal between the two entities. Hence no new deal was needed and Fox didn't have to give anything to develop new XMen tv shows. Sounds very far fetched though.

 

[Orba]

I was debating with someone on another forum about this FF topic (and him claiming Fox had the rights to do cross over films based on what Kinberg had said in 2015) and this came up. He claims that the talks between Marvel and Fox led to the realization that the live tv deal was part of the original films deal between the two entities. Hence no new deal was needed and Fox didn't have to give anything to develop new XMen tv shows. Sounds very far fetched though.

Yeah considering Fox and Marvel had gone to court before and it was ruled that Marvel still had the TV rights.

 

[Dasher10]

You guys are way too harsh on Kimberg. He's with fox so he's automatically horrible to some of you.

I'm not being as harsh on him as others since the first film was mostly Josh Trank's problem. I'm only saying that there's a certain type of stupid to do a fourth Fantastic Four movie at the same studio when the first three have been horrible and the Roger Corman film was also terrible.

I get that Constantin Film are also involved with the production but I'd rather wait it out and get no Fantastic Four than get a fifth terrible film by just allowing the rights to expire. Keep in mind that Constantin Film and Marvel Studios split profits with Fox and have been the only ones to make money off of the last three films so Fox only earned a small profit in 2005 and lost a good chunk of money in 2007 and 2015.

And this is also a bad idea since a sequel will probably hit in 2018 when Michael B Jordan is also playing Erik Killmonger so his schedule won't allow for a sequel to be filmed.

Unless Fox want to scrap an X-Men, AVP or John Green movie for a 2019 release (which I don't recommend since 2019 is the year where the third Alien prequel and X-Force are both supposed to come out), there is no way to do it sooner. It will have been four years since the previous film. FOUR YEARS! And with Michael B Jordan playing both a major villain and a major hero, there will be next to no chance for Kang, Annihilus, Doom or Galactus to show up in the MCU with no chance for a crossover and we'll have to wait until 2016 for the rights to revert after Fox's fourth attempt fails.

 

[Endeavor]

Yeah considering Fox and Marvel had gone to court before and it was ruled that Marvel still had the TV rights.

Also, the people trying to make these shows happen had been saying in interviews that they needed Marvel to sign-off.
That guy from the other forum is either grossly misinformed or a delusional fox-phile.

 

[Zarex]

I was debating with someone on another forum agbout this FF topic (and him claiming Fox had the rights to do cross over films based on what Kinberg had said in 2015) and this came up. He claims that the talks between Marvel and Fox led to the realization that the live tv deal was part of the original films deal between the two entities. Hence no new deal was needed and Fox didn't have to give anything to develop new XMen tv shows. Sounds very far fetched though.

Dana Walden at FOX confirmed that the two sides were in negotiations back in August. The announcement was made about two months later. That's an awful lot of time wasted on unnecessary negotiations.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/fox-nears-deal-x-men-813542

With Jordan exiting the EFF U (Extended Fantastic Four Universe) for the MCU, it's clear Mr. Kinberg is as clueless as we've long suspected

 

[ADollarADay]

It means if they make a Namor solo movie then either Universal would distribute it or Disney would have to work something out with them financially to be able to distribute it themselves.

But Marvel Studios can include Namor in an ensemble movie (Avengers, Fantastic Four , or any other hero movie) and they'd be in their full right to use the character there and distribute that film on their own.

Do you have a link for that? I have never seen it explicitly stated (that Marvel has those rights).

Disney will probably have to deal with Universal distribution rights anyway, a solo Hulk movie will probably be in for phase 4. A deal similar to what paramount got, i.e. Universal receives 10% of the movie's gross while Disney does all the heavy lifting will probably the job done. Thing is, Disney will want to deal with Comcast on the park's rights as well when they deal with this.

Dana Walden at FOX confirmed that the two sides were in negotiations back in August. The announcement was made about two months later. That's an awful lot of time wasted on unnecessary negotiations.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/fox-nears-deal-x-men-813542

With Jordan exiting the EFF U (Extended Fantastic Four Universe) for the MCU, it's clear Mr. Kinberg is as clueless as we've long suspected

I wish I had that link at that time, but this is a guy who offered this "proof" that Fox had the rights to make an XMen x FF crossover movie, so who knows if he would have accept it lol.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

You guys are way too harsh on Kimberg. He's with fox so he's automatically horrible to some of you.

It has nothing to do with Fox and everything to do with all the things he has said about and done to the Fantastic Four over the past 3 years.

He doesn't have a clue how to portray them on screen, but rather than stepping aside and allowing someone to do it right, he, even now, is claiming he wants to do it again. F*** him. F*** him so much.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I was debating with someone on another forum about this FF topic (and him claiming Fox had the rights to do cross over films based on what Kinberg had said in 2015) and this came up. He claims that the talks between Marvel and Fox led to the realization that the live tv deal was part of the original films deal between the two entities. Hence no new deal was needed and Fox didn't have to give anything to develop new XMen tv shows. Sounds very far fetched though.

In addition to what Zarex posted, if you search the forums for posts by me with "Zak Penn" in them, you'll also find some definite language saying Fox can't do crossovers.

Kinberg, as should be abundantly clear by now, is an idiot.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here's some more crossover info: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32928651&postcount=298

 

[Hero_of_Time98]

In regards to the "X-Men TV rights rights for the FF movie rights" trade, I believe I read somewhere that since Marvel's TV and Film divisions are separate, you can't simply trade for one to have the other. Fox's TV side worked out a deal with Marvel's TV side to do X-Men TV shows. Marvel is sure to get a cut of the money from it in exchange. Trust me, if Marvel Studios somehow got the rights back to the FF, we would have heard about it. Feige would have made a point to bring it up in the press run for Civil War.

As for Kimberg's comments, he is probably been instructed by execs at Fox that if anyone questions about an FF sequel or another reboot, to go ahead and publicly say that they would do it again and it would be great. For one, if they say they aren't doing it, everyone will assume they gave up the rights back to it's biggest rival: Marvel. That wouldn't look good. Second, I believe Fox still wants to try again to make a FF movie. Remember, they have the rights until 2021 and would have to have a film in production by 2020 if I'm not mistaken in order to retain the rights. That gives them 4 years to get another one going and as much as I hate it, they will try again. Maybe they want to try it again to try to make a franchise or maybe they want to try again so Marvel can't get their hands on on it knowing full well that Marvel Studios would make it work and be profitable.

The FF movie rights include a lot more than just the principal four characters. Fox also have Dr. Doom, most would say is Marvel's greatest super villain. As well as Silver Surfer, Galactus, and bunch of other cosmic characters. With the right person, Fox could take that and X-Men's cosmic characters, like the Phoenix and the Sh'iar, and make something that can compete directly with Marvel's cosmic side. If they could get that right person to spearhead it like Marvel has with Feige, I would be all ears.