The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Xeno]

Or Hugh Jackman can play a new character................like Adam Warlock..............or Reed Richards.

Jackman would be perfect as Doctor Doom.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Which is infuriating to me because the X-Men proper should be the priority.

They're getting all this talent for the other projects but the main franchise is stuck with the same old, same old.

I fear for the future of the X-Men franchise. The films as of late have mostly been very good. Apocalypse being the exception and even it was more mediocre than outright bad.

But I look at the future plate and all I see is chaos. I just can't help but think the lack of planning could bite them hard in the very near future. Hopefully I'm wrong, but to me the reports of what is happening backstage at Fox with regards to this franchise seems eerily similar to the mess they've got at WB with the DCEU.

I refuse to believe Kinberg will really get it, because that would seem to indicate, like they did with FF, Fox would just be squeezing value out of the name and sacrificing the long-term for a quick buck.

After everything Kinberg said and did with Fant4stic, I'm convinced he is a genuinely terrible writer/director and nothing more than a studio tool who is incapable of making an exciting, creative interesting film, but is capable of bringing in a generic, formula film on time and under budget.

It would be as if Fox took everything they've learned over the past 17 years and decided to throw the worst of the worst into the next X-Men film.

When we saw what was happening with Fant4stic, I became convinced that Fox had no long-term faith in the property and had decided they'd squeeze every last bit of value out of the name and return a dead, empty husk to Marvel.

It would seem inconceivable that they'd feel the same way about X-Men, but if Kinberg gets the job, I have to wonder.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Fox is shooting itself in the foot with their own stubbornness. I don't think Fox has ever had a comic book movie to make $1B and they are truly limited themselves with their idiotic moves. Having Ryan Reynolds help write DP2 is dangerously risky!

If I'm not mistaken he helped write the first film as well.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

If I'm not mistaken he helped write the first film as well.

It's said the two writers were Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

For those of you who didn't follow Fant4stic closely, I'll give you one (of hundreds) examples of why I believe Simon Kinberg is absolutely terrible.

Ben Grimm / The Thing is my favorite Marvel character of all time. Here's an excerpt from Marvel Wiki detailing some of Ben's backstory:

Benjamin J. Grimm was born on Yancy Street on Manhattan's Lower East Side, where he grew up in poverty. His father, an alcoholic, was unable to hold a job. Much of the family's income came from Grimm's older brother, Daniel, who obtained funds illegally as leader of the Yancy Street Gang. Grimm, who idolized his brother, became embittered against the world when Daniel was killed in a battle between rival gangs. Grimm was only eight years old at the time. Within ten years, he had succeeded his brother as leader of the Yancy Street Gang. After his parents died, Grimm was taken in by his Uncle Jake, who had risen from poverty to become a successful physician. At first, Grimm resisted his new guardians' kindness toward him. But eventually, he came to return their love. He left his life with the Yancy Street Gang behind, entered high school, and became a football star there. While he was a senior at Stuyvesant High School, Ben received a football scholarship to State University in Hegeman, New York.[6] On the football field, Ben received the nickname "Grimm Reaper."

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Benjamin_Grimm_(Earth-616)

Of course anyone who saw the movie knows that everything about Ben's background and character were crumpled up and thrown out the window. Instead of being from the Lower East Side, he was from Long Island. Instead of being caught up with gangs and idolizing his older brother who ended up dead as a result of gang activity, he was abused by his older brother (who was a mindless jerk). Instead of being a burly football player, he was a small guy who didn't have the size to play football. Instead of dealing with his problems with a self-effacing sense of humor, he had no personality. Instead of having a heart-of-gold beneath a gruff exterior, he used his super-strength to mercilessly kill people for the government etc. etc. etc.

All that is bad enough and inexcusable, but the worst part was Kinberg's smug explanation of why he made these changes and how he thought his character was "more interesting" than the iconic character that fans have loved for over 50 years.

The change of Jamie as Ben being a smaller guy instead of a bigger guy, for example, was for a purpose," he said. "It's more dramatic when that character becomes a huge rock creature – that's a bigger transformation. The notion of a working-class tough guy who's been pushed around by his bigger brothers his whole life seemed like a more interesting character than the guy who started as a football player and just ended up being 4 inches taller.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...fantastic-four-casting-controversy-story.html

It remains to be seen how he'll make the X-Men "more interesting" but it's frightening to think about where his tiny mind could take us.

Professor X is secretly a serial killer? Jean Grey's parents were really mole people from the Earth's crust? Storm is a Kardashian?

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's said the two writers were Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick.

Yes, but they themselves have said that Reynolds worked on the story with them.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Jackman would be perfect as Doctor Doom.

He's a great actor...just don't see him as Doom and its not because he's been Wolverine for 17 years either...Doom needs someone like Bill Nighy to do the voice or Mads Mikkelsen to do to the entire package (acting/voice/looks)...but only time will tell....

 

[Web-Head]

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-...paign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social#images

 

[Dark Raven]

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-...paign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social#images

KINBERG: I have no idea. I think the truth is we would not make another Fantastic Four movie until it was ready to be made. One of the lessons we learned on that movie is that we want to make sure we get it 100% right, because we will not get another chance with the fans.

They don't have another chance with the fans for a sequel this time round!!

 

[GeckoMoria]

They will do everything in their power to keep it away from Marvel just to spite them. The last one lost 80 million damn it. Give it back Fox, you have had way more chances than you deserved.

 

[NotNickFury]

So F4 doesn't appear to be what Marvel Studios apparently got in exchange for the whole X-Men TV show deal.

Therefore, maybe it was merchandising or promotional stuff they got.

 

[Spiderine]

This is an answer to a question you have to expect from Kinberg or any Fox rep. He wont just come out and say they are done with the FF even if there is no chance in hell they will make another. Its over

Anything less than a Marvel collaboration which likely isnt happening is futile.

 

[Spiderine]

So F4 doesn't appear to be what Marvel Studios apparently got in exchange for the whole X-Men TV show deal.

Therefore, maybe it was merchandising or promotional stuff they got.

I doubt Kinberg would be knowledgeable of that info. Or even if he was do you think he would expose that in a random interview?

 

[NotNickFury]

I doubt Kinberg would be knowledgeable of that info. Or even if he was do you think he would expose that in a random interview?

I'm not asking for Kinberg to say anything. But for all the speculation this thread has had on Marvel Studios supposedly getting the F4 back in exchange for Fox getting more control of the X-Men, the supposed surprise reveal of the F4 appearing in Phase 4 of the MCU...that doesn't seem to be the case right now.

Which now begs the speculation of what Marvel Studios might have gotten, if not the First Family.

 

[GoblinScrier]

They will do everything in their power to keep it away from Marvel just to spite them. The last one lost 80 million damn it. Give it back Fox, you have had way more chances than you deserved.

Exactly! I can't take this...I can't take reading how Fox and Kinberg keep taking one of the most popular set of characters with some of the most iconic villains including THE iconic villain (DOOM) and just continue to desecrate them to the point of stupidity...Fox I realize you have a mega empire and it can't be that the company is ran by stupidity because over the years, some of the most memorable films have come out of the studio but who ever runs the superhero division needs to just give up...I mean I can count on one hand the one film that was perfection from Fox and that was Deadpool...some X films were pretty good but NONE of them stack up to most of Marvel's masterpieces...so after 2 mediocre F4 films and one bomb and a half, its time to take the franchise out back and shoot it...then let it grow under Marvel's flourishing universe....

 

[legendkillin]

It's said the two writers were Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick.

Probably wasn't credited, but he was heavily involved with the movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

They don't have another chance with the fans for a sequel this time round!!

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that quote. He's saying it as if they have one more chance and better get it right this time.

...uhhhhh, you had one last chance and blew it big time. Now you're down to zero.

 

[legendkillin]

They will do everything in their power to keep it away from Marvel just to spite them. The last one lost 80 million damn it. Give it back Fox, you have had way more chances than you deserved.

For reals, but they will continue to beat the dead horse by rebooting it. They know the villains and side characters belonging to Marvel/MCU is dangerous.

 

[legendkillin]

They don't have another chance with the fans for a sequel this time round!!

The actors have also moved on. MBJ is now in the MCU with Black Panther, I doubt Teller would want to do it, and the others know how hated it was.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

He wont just come out and say they are done with the FF even if there is no chance in hell they will make another.

It almost seems like he is saying that in an indirect way.

I think the truth is we would not make another Fantastic Four movie until it was ready to be made.

Well there's no way in hell a Fantastic Four movie will be "ready to be made" in the next 5 years, and that means Marvel will get the rights.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Hopefully a trade is made that benefits both X-MEN & Marvel

 

[Spiderine]

I'm not asking for Kinberg to say anything. But for all the speculation this thread has had on Marvel Studios supposedly getting the F4 back in exchange for Fox getting more control of the X-Men, the supposed surprise reveal of the F4 appearing in Phase 4 of the MCU...that doesn't seem to be the case right now.

Which now begs the speculation of what Marvel Studios might have gotten, if not the First Family.

Thats all Im saying. He didnt really say anything in that statement that would dispute those possibilities. Whenever Kinberg gets asked about the FF he gives the usual answers as a means of not saying what Fox plans are or not knowing himself. He is focused on things pertaining to Xmen. I doubt he would be privy what Fox and Marvel has discussed regarding FF because its not a priority.

 

[Zarex]

I'm not asking for Kinberg to say anything. But for all the speculation this thread has had on Marvel Studios supposedly getting the F4 back in exchange for Fox getting more control of the X-Men, the supposed surprise reveal of the F4 appearing in Phase 4 of the MCU...that doesn't seem to be the case right now.

Which now begs the speculation of what Marvel Studios might have gotten, if not the First Family.

Kinberg reiterated a bunch of producer speak about loving the cast and wanting to make another one but not willing to do so until its ready. A word salad that tells us absolutely nothing about whether or not an agreement was reached on the FF character rights reversion.

It's possible that certain characters will revert early, most likely the Surfer and Galactus, with the remainder to move to the MCU at the reversion date. The fact that Kinberg is still stuck on his awful FF cast tells you all you need to know about where Fant4sti2 is in the development process.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-...paign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social#images

we would love to make another Fantastic Four movie.

Please don't.

So F4 doesn't appear to be what Marvel Studios apparently got in exchange for the whole X-Men TV show deal.
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It could be. If it was, they wouldn't be allowed to reveal it until a press embargo has passed.

 

[Spidey_62]

It almost seems like he is saying that in an indirect way.

I think the truth is we would not make another Fantastic Four movie until it was ready to be made.

Well there's no way in hell a Fantastic Four movie will be "ready to be made" in the next 5 years, and that means Marvel will get the rights.

Until it's ready to be made sounds like "until the rights are about to lapse again."