The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[The Overlord]

Nope. IMO the X-Men have reached their limit with Fox, and I want Marvel to have a go at it. I'd kill to have a Cyclops that invokes MCU Cap.

I still think Marvel would not have made movies like Deadpool or Logan and frankly I would like to see more X-Men films like this. I think the X-Men work best in their own universe anyway.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I still think Marvel would not have made movies like Deadpool or Logan and frankly I would like to see more X-Men films like this. I think the X-Men work best in their own universe anyway.

I don't think Fox would've made an X-Men movie like Deadpool or Logan.

 

[Jordacar]

Logan and Deadpool are both huge departures from the core X-Men brand, and the core may be running out of steam. I'm not sure (but a little curious) how the X-films can sustain if it's down to ONLY the edgy/alternative stories like Deadpool 2 or X-Force on the big screen.

 

[DyfeddRex]

I am really getting curious now. All this, Marvel back at D'ego for the CC....

Gang.... We need to pool up the clues we are all looking towards in one post, somehow.

I think that, and wait. I just watched AoU, and on WarMachine, you see the letters... FF 446 then a 002 below it on his left arm.... now, given the artwork panel in the TR trailer is from FF#64, we have to look at what else from, say in issues 40 and #2.....

naw. They wouldn't do that would they? Telegraph that if things from these appear, we got it back, but can't say it outloud yet?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I am really getting curious now. All this, Marvel back at D'ego for the CC....

Gang.... We need to pool up the clues we are all looking towards in one post, somehow.

I think that, and wait. I just watched AoU, and on WarMachine, you see the letters... FF 446 then a 002 below it on his left arm.... now, given the artwork panel in the TR trailer is from FF#64, we have to look at what else from, say in issues 40 and #2.....

naw. They wouldn't do that would they? Telegraph that if things from these appear, we got it back, but can't say it outloud yet?

To answer your last question first, sure, companies do it all the time. One particular example is the Dodge Demon which dropped a number of clues into their images: http://www.caranddriver.com/flipboo...ryptic-and-crazy-dodge-demon-teaser-explained

But is the comic panel from FF #64 saying: "We have the FF rights." or is it simply saying "Shout out to King Kirby." and/or "F*** you Fox." or some other variation?

I had never heard anything about the War machine letters you mention. Do you have any more on that? Has there been any speculation on-line (I think these things have to be crowd-sourced, because I'd never figure out 1/100 of the various Easter Eggs etc. without someone explaining them to me ).

As for other (highly circumstantial) evidence, I know of three things that point to the possibility that Marvel may have gotten the Galactus/Silver Surfer/Watcher rights they wanted back when they were trying to trade Fox a Daredevil extension, but I've seen far less regarding FF. Those three bits of evidence are:

1. http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34648759&postcount=728

2. http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34649265&postcount=740

and

3.

Spoiler

The revelation of the Watchers in Guardians of The Galaxy

As for Marvel's decision to attend the SD Comic Con (which I didn't know until you mentioned it and I researched it), yeah, that's pretty interesting. Traditionally on odd years, Disney has D23 and do their Marvel presentation there instead of San Diego on those odd years. They must have something they want to show. Of course they could show a lot that has nothing to do with FF. They might even be planning to unveil Phase 4 films (that have nothing to do with FF.

At the very least, I would hope/expect they will unveil the title for second Infinity Wars film (I suspect the title is less a "spoiler" than it is something they want to reveal on their terms - and it may tell us something we don't currently know without being a true 'spoiler').

I would also hope we'll at least get some artwork for the Infinity Wars films, and if those include Galactus (even without the FF) that would probably blow the roof off Hall H.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here's something interesting. I did some googling for "Fantastic Four 446". Since the numbering restarted with Heroes reborn, there is no clear issue 446, but this came up from my search:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fantastic-Four-1998-Series-446-17-May-1999-Marvel-NM-9-2-/321650099219

That would seem to indicate the 1998 issue #17 would have been 446 if if they had continued their numbering system.

And look at that cover:

Notice what's written over the FF?

Perhaps that's the message intended with the FF 446.t:

 

[Zarex]

Another possible clue would be the FF artwork in the Ragnarok trailer. I suppose it could be that a production designer was thumbing through old comics and found something that they thought would look pretty on screen. But why use art from the FF books and not from Thor?

 

[Dark Raven]

Here's something interesting. I did some googling for "Fantastic Four 446". Since the numbering restarted with Heroes reborn, there is no clear issue 446, but this came up from my search:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fantastic-Four-1998-Series-446-17-May-1999-Marvel-NM-9-2-/321650099219

That would seem to indicate the 1998 issue #17 would have been 446 if if they had continued their numbering system.

And look at that cover:

Notice what's written over the FF?

Perhaps that's the message intended with the FF 446.t:

In the Negative Zone? Direct Edition? Claremont, Larroca, Thibert?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But why use art from the FF books and not from Thor?

That's an interesting point. If they simply wanted a nod to Kirby, they could have pulled thousands of images out of Thor comic books.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

In the Negative Zone? Direct Edition? Claremont, Larroca, Thibert?

 

[Zarex]

That's an interesting point. If they simply wanted a nod to Kirby, they could have pulled thousands of images out of Thor comic books.

And Feige and company HAVE to know by now that old timers like ourselves are on edge waiting for the FF to enter the MCU. Building anticipation by dropping clues in the Thor trailer and GOTG 2 with no plans to follow through is not only cruel, but it could also have a negative impact on our cardiac health.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And Feige and company HAVE to know by now that old timers like ourselves are on edge waiting for the FF to enter the MCU. Building anticipation by dropping clues in the Thor trailer and GOTG 2 with no plans to follow through is not only cruel, but it could also have a negative impact on our cardiac health.

Yeah, I made a similar comment regarding the spoiler in GOTG2 we've been talking about. They have to know how we'll interpret that (I've seen numerous online articles making the FF connection), and it's almost cruel to tease idiots like us if they're not going to come through.

But frankly, we're talking about it. And from the point of view of the execs at Marvel/Disney, they are probably more interested in the publicity we're generating for them by talking about it than they are concerned about letting us down by not coming through.

 

[DyfeddRex]

And Feige and company HAVE to know by now that old timers like ourselves are on edge waiting for the FF to enter the MCU. Building anticipation by dropping clues in the Thor trailer and GOTG 2 with no plans to follow through is not only cruel, but it could also have a negative impact on our cardiac health.

Health period. Just doing the little thinking I've done on this (and, no, WL, I have not done any digging, just noted that on the WarMachine on the copy I bought last night when rewatching) is driving me to the edge of making my next coat be one with extra-long sleeves and buckles to tie them behind my back.

But, like I said, I had not thought about this part, other than hoping that Phase 4 would put a circle around the 4 to give us hope. That said, I'm wondering how much of the comments by Fox/Marvel the last year have been negotiation tactics. Fox threatening, via Kinberg's statement of they want to do another FF movie, Feige saying that they are stepping away from the "phase" concept to a more cosmic plan, etc., that we are missing the minutia of, not being privy to "insider information" that would really blow our minds.

No, a fellow old fogey, I have to say, I hope, I dream, but until I see odds better than 7:1 on the Vegas line that the First Family is coming home, I won't lay money. Unless I piece more together.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But, like I said, I had not thought about this part, other than hoping that Phase 4 would put a circle around the 4 to give us hope.

How cool would that be? Imagine Feige talking with a graphic behind him saying "Phase 4", and as he's talking the color of the 4 slowly shifts from black to blue and then a blue circle appears around it. t:

 

[WeaponXCII]

Yeah, I made a similar comment regarding the spoiler in GOTG2 we've been talking about. They have to know how we'll interpret that (I've seen numerous online articles making the FF connection), and it's almost cruel to tease idiots like us if they're not going to come through.

But frankly, we're talking about it. And from the point of view of the execs at Marvel/Disney, they are probably more interested in the publicity we're generating for them by talking about it than they are concerned about letting us down by not coming through.

I'm... not sure I follow the point you're trying to make here. If the FF and related IPs are in fact still at Fox, couldn't that inadvertently generate publicity for Fox? Also, what tangible benefit does us just talking provide to Marvel Studios? Does a studio as successful as theirs really need to generate more publicity, especially at this point? I mean, sure, they could always be more popular, but they're already one of the most ubiquitous film franchises. Hope you don't mind my obtuseness....

 

[DyfeddRex]

My roomie picked up DS at the time I grabbed AoU (both were movies we had yet to buy, and we figure why buy the same, we can toss it back and forth to an extent), so I might try watching it, and looking hard for any hints, clues, egg yolk on my face... sorry, getting punchy, this is my late night, being one who works the corpse stealer shift.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm... not sure I follow the point you're trying to make here. If the FF and related IPs are in fact still at Fox, couldn't that inadvertently generate publicity for Fox? Also, what tangible benefit does us just talking provide to Marvel Studios? Does a studio as successful as theirs really need to generate more publicity, especially at this point? I mean, sure, they could always be more popular, but they're already one of the most ubiquitous film franchises. Hope you don't mind my obtuseness....

There's no such thing as bad publicity. While I'm a little biased, I believe the Fantastic Four rights (along with Silver Surfer, Doom, Galactus, Kang etc.) and their return to the MCU is one of the hottest topics of discussion going (just consider that this thread has been going strong for 4 years).

As long as people are talking about the Fantastic Four and how they might fit into Marvel, I think that provides publicity in general for Marvel films (Does reading the last few pages make you at least a little more interested in seeing GOTG2? I know it does for me.)

So even if the FF are firmly locked away at Fox, I think it still benefits Marvel to have people like us discussing their eventual return. (and then when they do eventually return, the fact that we have been talking about it so long will just make it that much bigger).

I doubt they're intentionally dropping hints just to get us talking (though if/when they have the rights, they might do just that), but I also think, while it would be nice to think they consider our feelings enough not to tease us when there's no chance, they're probably more interested in having us continue to talk rather than saying: "wait, we shouldn't do that because we're just teasing them".

 

[DyfeddRex]

How cool would that be? Imagine Feige talking with a graphic behind him saying "Phase 4", and as he's talking the color of the 4 slowly shifts from black to blue and then a blue circle appears around it. t:

Nah, he's of our age. He'd do the "I'm Joe Isuzu" thing, and have subtitles behind him saying "He's lying" as he says, in the same vein as the Serpent Society tease, "Yeah, we ain't going with phases, just arcs. Then, just like the old flare signal, the 4 appears in the sky on the screen behind him, he turns, laughs, and says "Okay, so, yeah. They're home folks."

 

[WeaponXCII]

There's no such thing as bad publicity. While I'm a little biased, I believe the Fantastic Four rights (along with Silver Surfer, Doom, Galactus, Kang etc.) and their return to the MCU is one of the hottest topics of discussion going (just consider that this thread has been going strong for 4 years).

As long as people are talking about the Fantastic Four and how they might fit into Marvel, I think that provides publicity in general for Marvel films (Does reading the last few pages make you at least a little more interested in seeing GOTG2? I know it does for me.)

So even if the FF are firmly locked away at Fox, I think it still benefits Marvel to have people like us discussing their eventual return. (and then when they do eventually return, the fact that we have been talking about it so long will just make it that much bigger).

I doubt they're intentionally dropping hints just to get us talking (though if/when they have the rights, they might do just that), but I also think, while it would be nice to think they consider our feelings enough not to tease us when there's no chance, they're probably more interested in having us continue to talk rather than saying: "wait, we shouldn't do that because we're just teasing them".

Ah, I see. All good points- thanks for clarifying!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

With the introduction of the multiverse in Doctor Strange why not have a phase of movies go to another Earth ? This way there can be different characters & heroes & different versions of perhaps Iron Man, Captain America etc thus allowing it to be re cast but not re booted. Doctor Strange can tie everything together & thats that

This is what I've always thought regarding X-Men. There's a long history of alternate Earths throughout Marvel comics, so if there ever was an interest from both Fox and Marvel to include the X-Men and Marvel characters in the same universe - while keeping them on distinct Earths - that would be very possible and easy to manage through the same sort of inter-dimensional travel that has already been established in Marvel films.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Nah, he's of our age. He'd do the "I'm Joe Isuzu" thing, and have subtitles behind him saying "He's lying" as he says, in the same vein as the Serpent Society tease, "Yeah, we ain't going with phases, just arcs. Then, just like the old flare signal, the 4 appears in the sky on the screen behind him, he turns, laughs, and says "Okay, so, yeah. They're home folks."

 

[Dark Raven]

Dr Strange could bring in Captain Americat to lead the charge.

He'd be one from a different earth.

 

[Zarex]

I don't know if it would be a cop out, but I'd prefer Cap hand some other character the shield. That goes the same for Iron Man and his suit, Thor and his hammer, Hawkeye and his arrows, and Black Widow and her gauntlets.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Would it be a cop out if say Steve Rodgers dies in Infinity Wars but they need a new Captain America so instead of giving it to Bucky / Falcon so Doctor Strange goes to another Earth & brings in an entirely new Captain America ? I would prefer this instead of re casting Steve Rodgers at least

In my opinion, (and it's just my opinion) I'd like to see them start swapping out actors and just moving on as if it's the same character.

That's the way it (generally) worked in the comics. Different writers and artists would come and go and the looks and personalities of the characters would shift slightly as those different writers and artists brought in their unique takes, but the characters were always portrayed to be the same character.

I don't see why it should be any different with the films. They should be able to bring in a new actor and just continue. I wouldn't have a problem with that (though I've certainly seen posts from people who are concerned and feel the character should be linked to the actor).

Of course, like with the comics, there could be special events that have some characters take the mantle of others, but I think that should be by design - not just because a certain actor's contract is up.

 

[Dark Raven]

What happened to this "Random User" poster? How come his posts were deleted? Was he banned or did he have multiple accounts?