The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 2

[Spideyfan117]

I think falling debris, hitting a support beam, or shock might do her in. I don't think she'll hit the pavement full force or anything.

 

[Airnick]

You keep saying this, but without explaining why and how you're rationalizing that opinion in the face of the things we know.

I don't really know why haha. I just don't think she'll fall to her death, even if that's what the "evidence" suggest.

 

[Airnick]

I think falling debris, hitting a support beam, or shock might do her in. I don't think she'll hit the pavement full force or anything.

Agreed.

 

[Super Jim]

You keep saying this, but without explaining why and how you're rationalizing that opinion in the face of the things we know.

Well, here is one important point...

The pic of Gwen falling horizontally. Her feet are raised higher than the rest of her body. There must be a reason for that.

It could be because her impact, in that position, would be her head which would leave no doubt to the result. But that's a bit morose.

So, why else have her fall in such a way where her feet are at a higher point?

Also, we see from the reflection in Spidey's eye that Gwen is falling and that she is way too far for him to propel himself to catch up to her. That means he'll have to try something else than the kick off, catch up, and swing down technique. Also, you can actually see that in the reflection in his eye Spidey is seeing Gwen in the horizontal fall pic. Look at the way her jacket is being blown:

In that situation, his only hope would be to try to web her and the spot that he would likely catch is her feet. Somehow he would need to try to stop himself, once he has her. I would imagine that he would throw out a second web upward. This could result in the neck snap that we are all talking about.

So, other than her body position and how Spidey is trying to save her (diving down), there is nothing to support the second webbing and the neck snap, but these two pieces of evidence are starting to make me think it's going to happen.

Look, would Webb and company want her to hit the ground (a bit messy), or would it be better for the GA if Spidey did "save her" using his web to catch her foot, just to find her lifeless body once he gets down?

I've pretty much convinced myself he will web her foot.

 

[Airnick]

Well, here is one important point...

The pic of Gwen falling horizontally. Her feet are raised higher than the rest of her body. There must be a reason for that.

It could be because her impact, in that position, would be her head which would leave no doubt to the result. But that's a bit morose.

So, why else have her fall in such a way where her feet are at a higher point?

Also, we see from the reflection in Spidey's eye that Gwen is falling and that she is way too far for him to propel himself to catch up to her. That means he'll have to try something else than the kick off, catch up, and swing down technique. Also, you can actually see that in the reflection in his eye Spidey is seeing Gwen in the horizontal fall pic. Look at the way her jacket is being blown:

In that situation, his only hope would be to try to web her and the spot that he would likely catch is her feet. Somehow he would need to try to stop himself, once he has her. I would imagine that he would throw out a second web upward. This could result in the neck snap that we are all talking about.

So, other than her body position and how Spidey is trying to save her (diving down), there is nothing to support the second webbing and the neck snap, but these two pieces of evidence are starting to make me think it's going to happen.

Look, would Webb and company want her to hit the ground (a bit messy), or would it be better for the GA if Spidey did "save her" using his web to catch her foot, just to find her lifeless body once he gets down?

I've pretty much convinced myself he will web her foot.

Thank you! Super Jim.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

He better web her foot. I can get past this Goblin look, but if they can't even do that faithfully I'm gonna be sad.

 

[SpeterMan3]

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Well, here is one important point...

The pic of Gwen falling horizontally. Her feet are raised higher than the rest of her body. There must be a reason for that.

It could be because her impact, in that position, would be her head which would leave no doubt to the result. But that's a bit morose.

So, why else have her fall in such a way where her feet are at a higher point?

Also, we see from the reflection in Spidey's eye that Gwen is falling and that she is way too far for him to propel himself to catch up to her. That means he'll have to try something else than the kick off, catch up, and swing down technique. Also, you can actually see that in the reflection in his eye Spidey is seeing Gwen in the horizontal fall pic. Look at the way her jacket is being blown:

In that situation, his only hope would be to try to web her and the spot that he would likely catch is her feet. Somehow he would need to try to stop himself, once he has her. I would imagine that he would throw out a second web upward. This could result in the neck snap that we are all talking about.

So, other than her body position and how Spidey is trying to save her (diving down), there is nothing to support the second webbing and the neck snap, but these two pieces of evidence are starting to make me think it's going to happen.

Look, would Webb and company want her to hit the ground (a bit messy), or would it be better for the GA if Spidey did "save her" using his web to catch her foot, just to find her lifeless body once he gets down?

I've pretty much convinced myself he will web her foot.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Now i'm going to theater to watch her death.. Cool...

(Its almost confirmed that she dies but i'm still hoping that she doesn't)

 

[Airnick]

Now i'm going to theater to watch her death.. Cool...

(Its almost confirmed that she dies but i'm still hoping that she doesn't)

There's always a slim chance she won't die, probably about 0.1% lol.

BTW long time no see.

 

[sl500jazz]

Lol. Her death has been so heavily teased. I can't even begin to imagine how fans would react if they pulled a:

edit: Then again, the Gwen Stacy fans would be thrilled and so would the people that didn't want Harry to do it, but I'm sure a lot would hate it. This is one of those polarizing topics.

 

[DigificWriter]

Good analysis once again, Super Jim. I'm still a bit skeptical, but we'll see what happens in May.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Lol its that i just don't gonna go to the theater thinking 'Yep she dies,lets see how" and "Hate" is a strong word,i'm sure that if she lives most of the fans are gonna be bashing the movie this is expected,if she dies fine,and if Harry kill Gwen its fine too but if she lives its gonna be awesome and a different way to tell the rest of Spiderman history.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Lol. Her death has been so heavily teased. I can't even begin to imagine how fans would react if they pulled a:

edit: Then again, the Gwen Stacy fans would be thrilled and so would the people that didn't want Harry to do it, but I'm sure a lot would hate it. This is one of those polarizing topics.

I would hate it if they let Gwen survive. It would be such a tease. Then again I would actually have to see it first to figure out how I would actually feel, but IDK.

 

[DigificWriter]

The filmmakers do not have the time, energy, or resources to create a giant 'fake out campaign' with regards to Gwen dying, nor would there be any point in doing so.

 

[Spideyfan117]

The filmmakers do not have the time, energy, or resources to create a giant 'fake out campaign' with regards to Gwen dying, nor would there be any point in doing so.

Yeah. Why waste the effort on faking out a bunch of fanboys in your marketing campaign? Of course, nobody saw the Mandarin twist coming. But I don't think that was done to throw off fanboys.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The Mandarin twist is a whole different thing--he turned out to be a joke.

 

[Spideyfan117]

The Mandarin twist is a whole different thing--he turned out to be a joke.

Fear not! Retcon to the rescue!

 

[Infinity9999x]

The filmmakers do not have the time, energy, or resources to create a giant 'fake out campaign' with regards to Gwen dying, nor would there be any point in doing so.

They're not exactly creating a "giant fake out campaign" they just have shots that suggest the death. That's not all that hard.

And there actually would be a reason to do so. It's the same reason that SSM faked out fans into thinking Harry Osborn was the first Goblin: To recreate for fans of Spider-man the same sense of mystery surrounding the Green Goblin that was in the original comics before his identity was revealed. And it worked. At the end of S2, they had you honestly wondering about the Goblin. You still expected it to be Norman, but you didn't know how.

They could be doing the same with this. Set us up to expect Gwen's death in this film, and then it doesn't come. So when it happens in one of the next two films, it's more shocking.

Honestly, I don't really want to see Gwen die in this film, for a few reasons. First, I don't want Gwen to go before MJ is introduced. One of my favorite aspects of her death story is the moment when Peter snaps at MJ in his grief and she refuses to leave him, but stays and comforts him. Secondly, I don't like Harry being the one responsible. It changes the entire Norman dynamic.

Granted, if they handle it well, I won't mind. But right now, I'm not a fan of the idea. It's really all in the execution though. I hated the theory that Snape was in love with Harry's mom (which was floating around before Bk7) I thought it was stupid. But the way JKR wrote those scenes completely changed my mind. So it's all in how they handle it.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Marc Webb and Emma Stone have repeatedly gone on the record stating their desire to adapt The Night Gwen Stacy Died, and have also made blatantly leading statements concerning certain elements/aspects of the movie that are strongly implicatory with regards to Gwen dying. There is also the inordinate amount of footage and information strongly and blatantly pointing to her death.

All of this would amount to a gigantic and costly misinformation campaign were she to survive, and would also amount to a gigantic waste of time.

 

[The Guard]

It's not anymore costly than other editing is. Words are cheap.

And there's no footage of her dying, so no, there isn't an inordinate amount of footage to support her dying.

So, why else have her fall in such a way where her feet are at a higher point?

Because it leaves her physically open to him being able to grab her around the torso, which would probably be much harder logistically if she was falling with her feet down or up. It looks like maybe where she's falling is a somewhat narrow shaft. He can't exactly grab her midswing and then swing sideways.

 

[Spikey]

Well, here is one important point...

The pic of Gwen falling horizontally. Her feet are raised higher than the rest of her body. There must be a reason for that.

It could be because her impact, in that position, would be her head which would leave no doubt to the result. But that's a bit morose.

So, why else have her fall in such a way where her feet are at a higher point?

Also, we see from the reflection in Spidey's eye that Gwen is falling and that she is way too far for him to propel himself to catch up to her. That means he'll have to try something else than the kick off, catch up, and swing down technique. Also, you can actually see that in the reflection in his eye Spidey is seeing Gwen in the horizontal fall pic. Look at the way her jacket is being blown:

In that situation, his only hope would be to try to web her and the spot that he would likely catch is her feet. Somehow he would need to try to stop himself, once he has her. I would imagine that he would throw out a second web upward. This could result in the neck snap that we are all talking about.

So, other than her body position and how Spidey is trying to save her (diving down), there is nothing to support the second webbing and the neck snap, but these two pieces of evidence are starting to make me think it's going to happen.

Look, would Webb and company want her to hit the ground (a bit messy), or would it be better for the GA if Spidey did "save her" using his web to catch her foot, just to find her lifeless body once he gets down?

I've pretty much convinced myself he will web her foot.

Hi all, long time lurker here. I don't post too much because English is not my primary language but I want to throw my 2 cents here..

I think that Peter actually saves her from that fall, if we look the Rise Of Electro trailer at 2:34 we can see Gwen Stacy standing and looking up in the same building/clock tower, as if Spidey is battling the Weird Goblin all the way up.

Here's the pic:

Besides, there is a picture of her sitting/kneeling on top of a gear...

So, she survives that fall. I'm not saying that she won't die, I'm just saying that the fall will not cause her demise.

Sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't read the entire thread

 

[Infinity9999x]

^ Marc Webb and Emma Stone have repeatedly gone on the record stating their desire to adapt The Night Gwen Stacy Died, and have also made blatantly leading statements concerning certain elements/aspects of the movie that are strongly implicatory with regards to Gwen dying. There is also the inordinate amount of footage and information strongly and blatantly pointing to her death.

All of this would amount to a gigantic and costly misinformation campaign were she to survive, and would also amount to a gigantic waste of time.

None of what you said amounts to a "gigantic and costly misinformation campaign." Stars making leading comments costs exactly zero dollars for the studio. Stars do that all the time, sometimes under contract. Cumberbatch couldn't reveal that he was Kahn, so he openly lied about it. Liam Neeson did for BB, and the same happened with Talia in TDKR.

And it's not like they shot the footage we're seeing isn't going to be used. All I'm suggesting is that they don't have Gwen die during the climatic battle with Harry. And, again, it does serve a purpose. It throws fans like us, who know Gwen's fate, for a bit of a loop. If they're following in SSM's footsteps, they would then start doing things to make us think Gwen might actually not die in this series, (maybe have Peter propose to her) only to kill her in one of the following movies when we don't expect it.

What would the point of that be? To retain the same element of surprise for the fans who expect Gwen to die that the original fans reading the original comic had over thirty years ago.

But going back to the original point, what they've done isn't costly or complicated in the least. It's no more costly or complicated than the number of films that have hidden a certain aspect of their film from the general public in the past.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think falling debris, hitting a support beam, or shock might do her in. I don't think she'll hit the pavement full force or anything.

Same. Otherwise her body is going to go *splat* and there is going to be a huge mess at the bottom of the clock tower.

 

[JOE]

I still want him to be holding Harry when he's screaming, not Gwen. Sounds sick but I want Norman to kill her. Especially after he figures out Spider-Man killed his son.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I think this is what happens.

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