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The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 2

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Except this is Harry Osborn we're talking about. He shouldn't be killed off so soon only after one movie. Plus, I really doubt Peter would scream like that over the death of Harry. That's a face reserved for Gwen:

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Agreed. Peter would only scream like that for Gwen, no doubt.
 
Well, if you're trying arguing that the GA is absolutely clueless regarding to Gwen's death, then it wouldn't feel cheapened to them. Whether it happens in TASM2 or in TASM3, they'd have absolutely no idea, and Gwen surviving the clocktower incident of TASM2 would just reinforce their idea of the 'damsel in distress' always being saved.

:up:

Cheapened to us? Sure. To the GA? Not so much. And, as a side note, she wasn't really "in distress" per se in the first, so it wouldn't really be overkill (pun only halfway intended) for her to not die here.
 
I think the two pics above are a huge indicator that she dies in this film guys.
 
Agreed. Peter would only scream like that for Gwen, no doubt.

I've said it before and I'll say it again very short and sweet.

It IS Gwen he's screaming like that for. It's not Harry/Gobby. Regardless of their friendship, a reaction like that doesn't fit the situation. It's clearly a scream for Gwen. And other than Psycho-Green-Meany who's been trying to kill Peters ass, there's no other candidate than Gwen. His face says it all, just look at it. Sometimes people need to step back and just see things as it is and try not being so paranoid, thinking everything is a ploy to throw people off track. It's quite simple here: Gwen is gonna bite the dust in this one. It reeks of it - and it's gonna happen.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again very short and sweet.

It IS Gwen he's screaming like that for. It's not Harry/Gobby. Regardless of their friendship, a reaction like that doesn't fit the situation. It's clearly a scream for Gwen. And other than Psycho-Green-Meany who's been trying to kill Peters ass, there's no other candidate than Gwen. His face says it all, just look at it. Sometimes people need to step back and just see things as it is and try not being so paranoid, thinking everything is a ploy to throw people off track. It's quite simple here: Gwen is gonna bite the dust in this one. It reeks of it - and it's gonna happen.

Agreed 500%.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again very short and sweet.

It IS Gwen he's screaming like that for. It's not Harry/Gobby. Regardless of their friendship, a reaction like that doesn't fit the situation. It's clearly a scream for Gwen. And other than Psycho-Green-Meany who's been trying to kill Peters ass, there's no other candidate than Gwen. His face says it all, just look at it. Sometimes people need to step back and just see things as it is and try not being so paranoid, thinking everything is a ploy to throw people off track. It's quite simple here: Gwen is gonna bite the dust in this one. It reeks of it - and it's gonna happen.

Absolutely agree.:up::up:
 
For fans, we see it coming a mile away. For your average movie-goer who hasn't followed the spiderman "lore", Gwens death will most likely come as quite a chock for them. Killing off the hero's girl simply hasn't happened that often on film. As a matter of fact I can only think of TDK... Superman had it happen too, but he just got pissed and turned time back (lol) !
 
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And they put that reaction in the Enemies Unite sizzle, which isn't as popular as the actual trailer, so not everyone is gonna notice it. Plus, most everyone is clueless to that happening.
 
You're completely missing the point here:

Everything that Marc, Emma, and others have done has been transparently and blatantly pointing at Gwen's death, stretching all the way back to shortly after the premiere of TASM1.

They have not in any way, shape, or form been trying to hide or obfuscate the eventuality of Gwen's death, so for them to go 'just kidding, we're not killing her' would in fact amount to a costly and superfluous waste of time, energy, and resources.

This is not even remotely the same kind of thing as lying or being coy about a plot point or a certain character's identity.

No, it wouldn't be a costly waste of time at all. Because, literally, all they've done is made a few leading comments. That's it. They made leading comments at interviews that were going to be scheduled regardless and that they had to be going to...they didn't specifically organize said interviews to make these comments.

So no, it's not a costly waste of time at all. In fact, there's been absolutely NO extra cost for them to do what they've been doing on Sony's part.

And yes, it's exactly the same thing as being coy about a plot point, actors/directors do it all the time to retain a sense of mystery. And if this is a fakeout, it easily could have a point, as I illustrated in my last two posts.

Granted, I think it's likely she may die in this one, and if it's handled well I'm sure I'll enjoy it. But at the moment, I'm definitely not a fan of Harry being the one responsible, and MJ not being introduced yet. It also doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that they seem to be building up Norman as the big bad of this series...only to have him NOT complete the one act that made his character truly iconic.
 
Hi all, long time lurker here. I don't post too much because English is not my primary language but I want to throw my 2 cents here..

I think that Peter actually saves her from that fall, if we look the Rise Of Electro trailer at 2:34 we can see Gwen Stacy standing and looking up in the same building/clock tower, as if Spidey is battling the Weird Goblin all the way up.

Besides, there is a picture of her sitting/kneeling on top of a gear...

So, she survives that fall. I'm not saying that she won't die, I'm just saying that the fall will not cause her demise.

Sorry if this has been discussed, I didn't read the entire thread

Guess I'll take this one on...

Spikey, first welcome...

Ok, I think it's safe to say you're putting the cart before the horse, or the fall before the cog, if you will...

So yes, in the "Rise Of Electro trailer at 2:34 we can see Gwen Stacy standing and looking up in the same building/clock tower, as if Spidey is battling the Weird Goblin all the way up."

Actually the indication is that this is after her initial fall through the domed roof. She is likely standing on the cog that we see her on. In fact, in the background of this pic you can see a cog.

Next you indicated "Besides, there is a picture of her sitting/kneeling on top of a gear..."

Obviously this pic is before Gwen's fall. We actually have a new pic with Spidey and Gobbie battling on that same cog, which means Gwen would have had to vacate it prior.

You then stated "So, she survives that fall. I'm not saying that she won't die, I'm just saying that the fall will not cause her demise."

But these pics that you're using, we believe, are from before the fall.

Here, I'm going to help you see the scene as we believe it will happen:

Ok, first we know that it will start (as we've seen in the Superbowl Trailer) with Gwen falling, Spidey jumping up to catch her, and them crashing through the glass, domed roof:

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So here's the pic of Spidey jumping up, and we've been shown that they then crash through.

A good assuption is that Gwen and Spidey get separated with Gwen landing on the cog, as shown below:

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In fact, this pic looks like she is starting to get to her feet. Likely up above Gobbie comes flying in to attack, as shown in the trailer.

They will battle, which is when we will likely see Gwen looking up, as shown below:

asm2-trailer-02b.png


You can see the cogs and the lights in the above pic, showing that it is from within the clock tower.

They will battle, as shown below:

asm2-trailer-02a.png


Now, something will happen to Gwen, causing her to fall off of her cog. Likely this will be Gobbie related.

We know for a fact a second after we see Gwen fall we then see Spidey jump down (to a different cog than the one Gwen was on) and cast his web, as shown below:

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What a gorgous shot, by the way, with the moon behind... Anyway, in the trailer we then see Gwen hanging, conscious, and definitely alive.

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It seems obvious that while Peter is distracted while trying to save Gwen Gobbie will attack. I've surmised that Gobbie and Spidey will end up toppling over and will land on the same cog that Gwen was just previously on, as shown in the pic below:

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Now, lots of questions at this point. Did Peter just lose hold of the web that Gwen was grasping, or did Gobbie cut it? If you look at Gobbie's left hand you will see some sort of hilt looking thing, that could be indicative of a knife. It has been surmised by some that maybe that is some apparatus that will steal Peter's blood, but we'll see.

Anyway, I expact that this above shot, of Peter and Gobbie fighting on the same cog that Gwen was just on, will be mere seconds. Likely Gwen is now falling and you can see that Spidey has his foot up ready to kick Gobbie off. My guess is that he will do just that and then dive off of the cog after Gwen, while Gobbie uses that moment to escape.

This leads to this shot:

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Which is when Spiderman is diving to try to save Gwen. You can see that she is too far away for him to catch up, from the reflection. He's likly not going to be able to use the kick off, catch up, and swing down technique (been there, done that). This means that either she will go splat (that won't look good on camera) or he'll do what we've all been waiting for. He'll have to throw out a webb, cast another upward, or grab ahold of something, to try to stop their momentum. This would result in the "snik" we've been expecting.

Look, we know that Webb and Emma want to do this right, and even though it's not from the bridge (been there, done that) and it's not Norman (again, been there, done that), we're still getting the Night Gwen Stacy Died. Also, in the above pic, you can see that Peter is seeing Gwen, as shown in the below pic. Just look at the way her jacket is blowing.

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So, he'll throw out a web and as you can see in this above pic, the spot he would catch is her feet (since they are higher than the rest of her body), just like in The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

He'll likely lower himself down to her and realize that he did not save her as he thought. Of course this would lead to emotion that would only come from the death of someone this close to him, as shown in the pic below:

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Can't see this level of emotion coming from the loss of anyone other than Gwen. Maybe Aunt May, but I haven't seen any pics of her hanging out at the clock tower. So, this is gwen. Also, look at the background of this picture and you can see that it is at the clock tower. Same lights, etc.

So, there you go. Hopefully you now understand the way this will likely go down.

Of course, subject to change when we get some new shots next week...
 
^ Lol! "Maybe Aunt May, but I haven't seen any pics of her hanging out at the clock tower."
 
Guess I'll take this one on...

Spikey, first welcome...

Ok, I think it's safe to say you're putting the cart before the horse, or the fall before the cog, if you will...

So yes, in the "Rise Of Electro trailer at 2:34 we can see Gwen Stacy standing and looking up in the same building/clock tower, as if Spidey is battling the Weird Goblin all the way up."

Actually the indication is that this is after her initial fall through the domed roof. She is likely standing on the cog that we see her on. In fact, in the background of this pic you can see a cog.

Next you indicated "Besides, there is a picture of her sitting/kneeling on top of a gear..."

Obviously this pic is before Gwen's fall. We actually have a new pic with Spidey and Gobbie battling on that same cog, which means Gwen would have had to vacate it prior.

You then stated "So, she survives that fall. I'm not saying that she won't die, I'm just saying that the fall will not cause her demise."

But these pics that you're using, we believe, are from before the fall.

Here, I'm going to help you see the scene as we believe it will happen:

Ok, first we know that it will start (as we've seen in the Superbowl Trailer) with Gwen falling, Spidey jumping up to catch her, and them crashing through the glass, domed roof:

Amazing-Spider-Man-2-Super-Bowl-Trailer-Gwen-Stacy-Death-570x300.jpg


So here's the pic of Spidey jumping up, and we've been shown that they then crash through.

A good assuption is that Gwen and Spidey get separated with Gwen landing on the cog, as shown below:

3578454-the-amazing-spider-man-2-gwen-stacy-in-peril.jpg


In fact, this pic looks like she is starting to get to her feet. Likely up above Gobbie comes flying in to attack, as shown in the trailer.

They will battle, which is when we will likely see Gwen looking up, as shown below:

asm2-trailer-02b.png


You can see the cogs and the lights in the above pic, showing that it is from within the clock tower.

They will battle, as shown below:

asm2-trailer-02a.png


Now, something will happen to Gwen, causing her to fall off of her cog. Likely this will be Gobbie related.

We know for a fact a second after we see Gwen fall we then see Spidey jump down (to a different cog than the one Gwen was on) and cast his web, as shown below:

asm2-trailer-02c.png


What a gorgous shot, by the way, with the moon behind... Anyway, in the trailer we then see Gwen hanging, conscious, and definitely alive.

spidey2_0.png


It seems obvious that while Peter is distracted while trying to save Gwen Gobbie will attack. I've surmised that Gobbie and Spidey will end up toppling over and will land on the same cog that Gwen was just previously on, as shown in the pic below:

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Now, lots of questions at this point. Did Peter just lose hold of the web that Gwen was grasping, or did Gobbie cut it? If you look at Gobbie's left hand you will see some sort of hilt looking thing, that could be indicative of a knife. It has been surmised by some that maybe that is some apparatus that will steal Peter's blood, but we'll see.

Anyway, I expact that this above shot, of Peter and Gobbie fighting on the same cog that Gwen was just on, will be mere seconds. Likely Gwen is now falling and you can see that Spidey has his foot up ready to kick Gobbie off. My guess is that he will do just that and then dive off of the cog after Gwen, while Gobbie uses that moment to escape.

This leads to this shot:

Screen-shot-2014-02-24-at-18.05.24-300x200.png


Which is when Spiderman is diving to try to save Gwen. You can see that she is too far away for him to catch up, from the reflection. He's likly not going to be able to use the kick off, catch up, and swing down technique (been there, done that). This means that either she will go splat (that won't look good on camera) or he'll do what we've all been waiting for. He'll have to throw out a webb, cast another upward, or grab ahold of something, to try to stop their momentum. This would result in the "snik" we've been expecting.

Look, we know that Webb and Emma want to do this right, and even though it's not from the bridge (been there, done that) and it's not Norman (again, been there, done that), we're still getting the Night Gwen Stacy Died. Also, in the above pic, you can see that Peter is seeing Gwen, as shown in the below pic. Just look at the way her jacket is blowing.

zRi9D7E.png


So, he'll throw out a web and as you can see in this above pic, the spot he would catch is her feet (since they are higher than the rest of her body), just like in The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

He'll likely lower himself down to her and realize that he did not save her as he thought. Of course this would lead to emotion that would only come from the death of someone this close to him, as shown in the pic below:

Can't see this level of emotion coming from the loss of anyone other than Gwen. Maybe Aunt May, but I haven't seen any pics of her hanging out at the clock tower. So, this is gwen. Also, look at the background of this picture and you can see that it is at the clock tower. Same lights, etc.

So, there you go. Hopefully you now understand the way this will likely go down.

Of course, subject to change when we get some new shots next week...
:up: i hope we see goblin mocking him about loosing someone afterwards and then Peter goes serious and fights him like he wants to kill him but obviously he doesn't
 
They're not exactly creating a "giant fake out campaign" they just have shots that suggest the death. That's not all that hard.

And there actually would be a reason to do so. It's the same reason that SSM faked out fans into thinking Harry Osborn was the first Goblin: To recreate for fans of Spider-man the same sense of mystery surrounding the Green Goblin that was in the original comics before his identity was revealed. And it worked. At the end of S2, they had you honestly wondering about the Goblin. You still expected it to be Norman, but you didn't know how.

They could be doing the same with this. Set us up to expect Gwen's death in this film, and then it doesn't come. So when it happens in one of the next two films, it's more shocking.

Honestly, I don't really want to see Gwen die in this film, for a few reasons. First, I don't want Gwen to go before MJ is introduced. One of my favorite aspects of her death story is the moment when Peter snaps at MJ in his grief and she refuses to leave him, but stays and comforts him. Secondly, I don't like Harry being the one responsible. It changes the entire Norman dynamic.

Granted, if they handle it well, I won't mind. But right now, I'm not a fan of the idea. It's really all in the execution though. I hated the theory that Snape was in love with Harry's mom (which was floating around before Bk7) I thought it was stupid. But the way JKR wrote those scenes completely changed my mind. So it's all in how they handle it.

I agree with all of these things.^
 
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Peter was screaming in what could be (Purely based on the picture) physical or emotional pain here, and Mary Jane/Gwen didn't die.

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He looks to be in physical and emotional pain here as well, but Gwen, nor Mary Jane, died.

Not to mention, his scream at the end of ASM was pretty similar, and it's not like he cared about Captain Stacy as much as he did Aunt May, or Uncle Ben, or Gwen...Peter just, he's a caring person. When someone dies and it's pretty much because of him, he takes it hard.
 
idk, knowing andrew's acting and seeing those stills nothing will convince me he's making that face (which is 100% a grief face, not a "i'm-lifting-something-really-heavy-or-fighting-an-evil-symbiote-from-my-body face) for any other reason other than gwen's death. unless, of course, until the movie comes out and it turns out it's not that at all. but even if it's because of harry's death or something else other than gwen or maybe aunt may dying, it will seem like an overreaction.
 
idk, knowing andrew's acting and seeing those stills nothing will convince me he's making that face (which is 100% a grief face, not a "i'm-lifting-something-really-heavy-or-fighting-an-evil-symbiote-from-my-body face) for any other reason other than gwen's death. unless, of course, until the movie comes out and it turns out it's not that at all. but even if it's because of harry's death or something else other than gwen or maybe aunt may dying, it will seem like an overreaction.

True. I mean I'm not saying Gwen won't die, odds are she will, even though I don't want Harry to kill her. I'm just saying I don't get why people are saying they're 100% certain of it. Unless they've seen the movie or a shot of her clearly dead in Peter's arms or her grave, they can't be 100% sure.
 
Not to mention, his scream at the end of ASM was pretty similar, and it's not like he cared about Captain Stacy as much as he did Aunt May, or Uncle Ben, or Gwen...Peter just, he's a caring person.

The only reason he was screaming was because he forgot to pick up organic eggs before he left and had to go all the way back to the grocery store.
 
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