The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[liov]

You guys are splitting hairs. In any case its not like Batarangs are supposed to match his chest emblem.

How can he be vengeance OR the night if he isn't matching properly in every element of his costume and paraphernalia?

 

[DaveMoral]

God I hate Kelley Jones' art.

Thank God! I'm not the only one! His art makes for some piss poor comics.

I'm of the opinion that at badly written comic can be made up for with good art, but a well written comic with ****** art is wrecked.

 

[BatScot]

No, the suit logo was all that needed to be fixed.

I believe you may have missed the point.

The important thing is that as Travesty points out the Begins emblem looks better on his chest because it's contoured to his pectoral muscles.

That's the point.

And anything after "the Begins emblem looks better..." is only of perfunctory interest.

 

[BatScot]

It was hard to see because it was so small and had the added breast plate. In the marketing for TDK...

Doesn't matter, what we got on film was the small one and "it was dumb is what it was".

The chest area on the TDK suit was natural...

For someone so concerned with "flow" I'm baffled as to how you could characterize anything about the TDK suit as being natural compared to the Begins suit. There's little, if anything, 'flowing' about the TDK design and the chest is the most unnecessarily over-designed element of that suit. Making the marketing logo bigger wouldn't make it look better, it would only make it look bigger (there is only one instance were looking bigger equals better and this ain't it). I couldn't care less that they used the "marketing" logo for the batarang (okay, that's not exactly true—I don't think a. that's a good design for a shuriken, or b. that Wayne would have spent time making them, but I digress) or that they stuck that logo on the bat-signal but the straight lines just don't work on a contoured form and it was a waste of time trying to make it work. But try the did and it didn't work so now it's time to toss it aside.

 

[antsman41]

Thank God! I'm not the only one! His art makes for some piss poor comics.

I'm of the opinion that at badly written comic can be made up for with good art, but a well written comic with ****** art is wrecked.

I wish Graham Nolan drew all 12 issues of Knightfall.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I disagree, from my experience even the crappiest artwork is accepted by the reader if it's a good enough story. The opposite is true too. But the truth is, a really good comic book will have both good art and good story. But hey, let's not get too carried away here.

There was a beautiful manip here a few weeks ago with the movie logo enlarged and some modifications to the TDK suit. It looked perfect for TDKR, logo, colours, and everything else.

 

[the dmg]

Doesn't matter, what we got on film was the small one and "it was dumb is what it was".

Of course it matters. A small emblem can work, it just didn't because of the added layer on the chest area blacked it out. The same goes for BB, with the symbol being the same color as the rest of the suit.

For someone so concerned with "flow" I'm baffled as to how you could characterize anything about the TDK suit as being natural compared to the Begins suit. There's little, if anything, 'flowing' about the TDK design and the chest is the most unnecessarily over-designed element of that suit.

I agree that it's over-designed, but the segmented pieces actually do give off a more natural look. Compared to the BB suit, which is garbage, the TDK suit is way better.

Making the marketing logo bigger wouldn't make it look better, it would only make it look bigger (there is only one instance were looking bigger equals better and this ain't it). I couldn't care less that they used the "marketing" logo for the batarang (okay, that's not exactly true—I don't think a. that's a good design for a shuriken, or b. that Wayne would have spent time making them, but I digress) or that they stuck that logo on the bat-signal but the straight lines just don't work on a contoured form and it was a waste of time trying to make it work. But try the did and it didn't work so now it's time to toss it aside.

Different strokes for different folks. I love the sharpness of the logo, and think it would have looked great on the BB suit.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

How can he be vengeance OR the night if he isn't matching properly in every element of his costume and paraphernalia?

But in other interpretations of Batamn, his Batarangs are not exactly the match of his chest emblem:

 

[Nave 'Torment']

What if Batman carries a real gun this time? As part of the deterioration towards being both a 'criminal' and a more violent vigilante (like in the latter end of Knightfall)? It's happened in Batman Year Two. Just wondering. Is there a place for a .45 Magnum in the utility belt?

 

[liov]

But in other interpretations of Batamn, his Batarangs are not exactly the match of his chest emblem

That's not the real Batman, clearly.

Batman is fashion forward and must coordinate. I don't think they let you in the JLA if you don't match perfectly.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Batman's too cool for the Just-Them League anyway :

 

[Alex_Spider]

What if Batman carries a real gun this time? As part of the deterioration towards being both a 'criminal' and a more violent vigilante (like in the latter end of Knightfall)? It's happened in Batman Year Two. Just wondering. Is there a place for a .45 Magnum in the utility belt?

That would be a great homage to "The Bat-Man" if done right. I would love to see it too in some way. How did they present it in Year Two really? I haven't read this.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What if Batman carries a real gun this time? As part of the deterioration towards being both a 'criminal' and a more violent vigilante (like in the latter end of Knightfall)? It's happened in Batman Year Two. Just wondering. Is there a place for a .45 Magnum in the utility belt?

After all the lectures on his no killing code i cant see him and i dont want him carrying a gun.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

That would be a great homage to "The Bat-Man" if done right. I would love to see it too in some way. How did they present it in Year Two really? I haven't read this.

Actually they paralleled how he needed to become even more violent to take down Gotham's old vigilante (The Reaper - aka - The Phantasm). But now that I think of it, most of it was used in Batman Begins anyway. In Year Two he used Joe Chill's old gun in an attempt to kill Chill himself, he later buries it deep within a building dedicated to the memory of Thomas Wayne. In Begins he threw it existentially in Gotham harbour and it solidified Bruce's antipathy towards guns. I think the latter was better anyway :P

After all the lectures on his no killing code i cant see him and i dont want him carrying a gun.

Yeah... you're probably right. Just throwing out ideas. I just re-read Year Two this morning and wanted to see how that'd work in Nolan's movies now.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Year Two is not canon if i am not mistaken. Its also not that great of a read. I liked Year Three more where Dick is introduced. Also read Robin: Year One if you want more about Dick's first months as Robin. It was really good.

 

[DaveMoral]

I wish Graham Nolan drew all 12 issues of Knightfall.

YES! Graham and Breyfogle were the two best artists on that storyline.

By this time I feel like Aparo's work had gotten dull.

 

[DaveMoral]

After all the lectures on his no killing code i cant see him and i dont want him carrying a gun.

There are a couple shots in TDK were you can actually see the grappling gun hanging off the utility belt at his hip. That was more than enough for me.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I really didnt like that. He looked like a cowboy. Why didnt he pack it behind his back like in Begins?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Year Two is not canon if i am not mistaken. Its also not that great of a read. I liked Year Three more where Dick is introduced. Also read Robin: Year One if you want more about Dick's first months as Robin. It was really good.

True, it's very linear and stifling at times. I haven't read Robin Year One yet, though have been meaning to for forever - Chuck Dixon right? Great Grayson writer.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

for some reason i never noticed the grappling gun hanging like that? Also, I think he didn't put it behind his cape for...that bigger gun thingy? I dunno. Why's he even using guns anyway?

 

[Mr. Earle]

True, it's very linear and stifling at times. I haven't read Robin Year One yet, though have been meaning to for forever - Chuck Dixon right? Great Grayson writer.

Yep, Chuck Dixon is the writer. Its a very good book that deals with the issues of Batman having a kid around, all the dangers and issues that might occur, the strain it puts on his relationship with Gordon and all that.

for some reason i never noticed the grappling gun hanging like that? Also, I think he didn't put it behind his cape for...that bigger gun thingy? I dunno. Why's he even using guns anyway?

Yeah i guess he puts that sticky bomb gun there now, although its a movie, so its not like he really needs to have it there. What i mean is that he can put his hand behind his back and pull anything he wants. He's batman, his belt doesnt have to actually be practical.

Btw his grapple gun should be smaller and less gun like. Batman hates guns right?

 

[Mako]

Yep, Chuck Dixon is the writer. Its a very good book that deals with the issues of Batman having a kid around, all the dangers and issues that might occur, the strain it puts on his relationship with Gordon and all that.
Yeah i guess he puts that sticky bomb gun there now, although its a movie, so its not like he really needs to have it there. What i mean is that he can put his hand behind his back and pull anything he wants. He's batman, his belt doesnt have to actually be practical.

Btw his grapple gun should be smaller and less gun like. Batman hates guns right?

Like Bruce said in Gotham Knight "You have to know your enemy"

 

[DaveMoral]

Yep, Chuck Dixon is the writer. Its a very good book that deals with the issues of Batman having a kid around, all the dangers and issues that might occur, the strain it puts on his relationship with Gordon and all that.
Yeah i guess he puts that sticky bomb gun there now, although its a movie, so its not like he really needs to have it there. What i mean is that he can put his hand behind his back and pull anything he wants. He's batman, his belt doesnt have to actually be practical.

Btw his grapple gun should be smaller and less gun like. Batman hates guns right?

You know what I want from a utility belt? Just have it be a military style belt with pouches... you know, like they had been doing in the comics for a while until recently. I really like that look.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Like Bruce said in Gotham Knight "You have to know your enemy"

And know is another word for use, right?

You know what I want from a utility belt? Just have it be a military style belt with pouches... you know, like they had been doing in the comics for a while until recently. I really like that look.

I personally prefer Nolan's belt. The pouch one is too ordinary and crappy for someone like Batman.

 

[the dmg]

Btw his grapple gun should be smaller and less gun like. Batman hates guns right?

Favorite version of the Grapple Gun is from B:TAS.