The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - Part 127 (NO SPOILERS)

[kthevs]

why does faraci care about Bruce quitting for 8 years when from many accounts he dosent even care about the character of batman?

He was just looking for any excuse to hate the film. This is his way of getting back at the Nolan fans who bash him.

 

[Figs]

There's more than a whiff of troll coming from you.

I don't agree with what he said but I don't think he's being a troll.

Devin did have some fair problems with the film but what that other poster didn't mention is that Devin also isn't much of a Batman fan which I believe is where the jokes about Bane come from.

He tends to like his comic book movies very comic booky(I know, not a real word). I remember him giving Punisher War Zone a positive and that movie was pretty damn silly.

 

[Micromind]

Screw you RT

Spoiler

On Top Critics list he has rated positively.

 

[Deserana]

Is Ebert's review gonna be up today?

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

There's more than a whiff of troll coming from you.

It's not my intention. I really don't get how it's considered within bounds to shrink a thoughtful negative review down to "No joker so I hate it." when that's totally not the point of the review, but my saying "No, the review, from what I see, is actually bringing up point x,y,z. Let's watch the movie before we trash the reviewer." is considered "trolling".

Explain please.

 

[Musty002]

The thing is some of the fans (me included) expecting this to get an masterpiece level praise similar to social network, no country, there will be blood, LOTR:ROFK, etc which all got 90 or above in metacritic score. I hope at the end of the day TDKR gets it so that it joins with likes of LOTR, Godfather , toy story as one of best critically acclaimed trilogy of all time.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Kirk Honeycutts review didn't seem rotten? wtf?

That's because it isn't. Apparently it's a 9/10 and has extremely positive language in it about how this is arguably the best trilogy in popular cinema and how there is no way to top Nolan's trilogy for whoever works on Batman next.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I read Faraci's reviews. It has some fair points. Obviously I can't completely judge because I haven't seen the film, but Faraci is not wrong in saying a parts of a film didn't work for him. To each their respective own. Still, a review means very little to me in the long run. I'll make up my own damn mind.

 

[Travesty]

Um... I love Nolan's Batfilms.
I have no clue what my screen name has to do with that.

But hey: more narrowness!

If you want me to really blow your mind: I don't like Diet Pepsi, but I prefer Diet Coke. But I like regular Pepsi more than Coca Cola Classic.

Crazy, right?

That clearly means you're a Pepsi and Coke troll at the same time! How can that be?

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

RT needs to stop messing around and change that.

 

[cjjr72984]

RT needs to stop messing around and change that.

Forreal. That green splat looks so ugly

 

[gillberg2k1]

Its owned by Warner Brothers don't you know! Sabotage! oh wait...

Everyone here, I'm sure, is well aware of who owns RT. Appreciated.

I'm referring to the system itself. Nobody's manipulating the reviews and there's no need to question the staffs credibility. This has been happening frequently. It'll get sorted out soon.

 

[batman11]

From what I gather, the whole point is that he needs Batman, but the city doesn't need him.

It's sad to see this point glossed over so often. Obviously we haven't seen the film yet, but given the connotations of the marketing material we've been presented with, and what we (think) we know, this seems fairly clear to me.

The tragic irony of the whole situation is that by the end of TDK, just as Bruce has finally realized how much he needs Batman, he has also come to find how much Gotham doesn't need Batman; or rather, how bad Batman actually is for Gotham. Now, this isn't necessarily true, but it stems from Bruce's warped, often extreme thinking.

"Did I bring this upon her? I was meant to inspire good. Not madness, not death."

With Rachel's death and Harvey's fall, thanks to the influence of a demon spawn of the Batman persona (the Joker), Bruce sees just how destructive and poisonous Batman can be. As with Batman Begins, where he is on the extremely optimistic end of the spectrum, here he succumbs to another extreme: Batman, for all the good that the guise has brought, has been much more of a negative than a positive.

Thus, at a time when Bruce personally rediscovers his need for the mask, he also realizes what that mask has been responsible for. So as much as it may pain him, and as much as petty crime and such might still exist in Gotham, Batman's presence is a greater threat (in Bruce's mind), and he must therefore stay away. And, as noted by Nolan and company, superficially, Bruce made the right choice for Gotham, but with Bane's revolution, we'll ultimately learn what a mistake it really was.

Again, we find the beautiful irony of it all: TDK is initially all about Bruce wanting to hang up the cape and cowl, and yet when he finally finds himself requiring that double life, Gotham reaches a point where Batman must be excised in order for harmony to prevail. Giving up Batman to maintain the city's social order is the ultimate act of altruism on Bruce's part, and I find that pretty compelling.

That's why the eight years thing, as it stands now, doesn't really bother me. Thematically, and from a character-based perspective, it adds a new layer of depth to Bruce. Moreover, it further shows just how devoted he is to Gotham, giving up the very thing he craves for the sake the city. The fact that we get hermit Bruce for EIGHT YEARS (!) as a result of giving up Batman should be more than enough to illustrate to anyone just how much Bruce actually needed Batman.

Clearly, the man isn't very happy at the beginning of TDKR...

Now, I can totally understand why fans of the "everlasting Batman" would dislike the eight years thing, but I think it's a shame that I don't see others bringing up what you said more often. To me, it just makes everything that much more interesting, and in particular, Bruce's relationship with Batman, and how important it actually is.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Was not aware it was considered trolling to say a bad review might have valid points.

 

[Sharkboy]

That's weird, Christy Lemire isn't a top critic on my RT.

 

[04nbod]

It's been hacked by an avengers fanboy.

Nah, Avengers fans are still in the box office equivalent of post-coital bliss.


Best review I've read is the Daily Mail who said it was miserable and joyless. Its a Nolan Bat movie, what did they expect. Its why I refuse to watch this on Friday after work. I just can't deal with that baggage.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Rotten Tomatoes ‏@RottenTomatoes
Kirk Honeycutt's review was mistakenly posted as rotten - we're fixing it now.

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[Miranda Fox]

Um... I love Nolan's Batfilms.
I have no clue what my screen name has to do with that.

But hey: more narrowness!

If you want me to really blow your mind: I don't like Diet Pepsi, but I prefer Diet Coke. But I like regular Pepsi more than Coca Cola Classic.

Crazy, right?

You've also been attacking anyone who expressed annoyance over one critic focusing on Heath Ledger's absence in the film, which some felt wasn't a reasonable complaint. You may well be right that it wasn't the only factor in her disappointment, but as it is the only one she went into any real detail about, how would we know?

I'm not saying you don't have a point here. I do think you are looking rather trollish though, intentionally or not.

 

[joker1524]

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He is rising

 

[moviefan!]

http://www.metro.co.uk/film/reviews...s-is-a-superhero-movie-with-true-muscle-power

Another rt critic

5/5

But Nolan’s novelistic epic also boasts some of the most outstanding action set pieces in the 21st Century, all the more ‘wow’-some for their minimal CGI, plus some totally ace new Bat toys. Bold and beautiful. A superhero movie with true muscle power.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

We should be hearing some reaction from the Chicago screening soon. I think that screening started at 1:00. Top critics Roger Ebert, Richard Roeper, and Michael Phillips.

 

[joker1524]

We should be hearing some reaction from the Chicago screening soon. I think that screening started at 1:00. Top critics Roger Ebert, Richard Roper, and Michael Phillips.

Let us hope its positive

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Is Ebert's review gonna be up today?

I expect it to be up a little later on tonight.

 

[BatJeff7786]

why does faraci care about Bruce quitting for 8 years when from many accounts he dosent even care about the character of batman?

Because he's a film critic for a film website? You sound upset that he's judging the film fairly. Batman just quitting at the end of the last film is disappointing because it doesn't fit the character of Batman. Just because Faraci isn't a big fan doesn't mean he doesn't understand why or how the character works.

 

[Joker594]

We should be hearing some reaction from the Chicago screening soon. I think that screening started at 1:00. Top critics Roger Ebert, Richard Roeper, and Michael Phillips.

Ebert and Roeper I'd say are pretty much guaranteed positive reviews.