The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 141

[The Joker]

While we have some differing issues with TDKR, as far as our appreciation for TDK goes - we are kindred spirits. Bale's unhinged Batman was off the charts in TDK. Completely underrated.

Well that's good to know

Another thing that makes Bale's Batman so interesting in TDK is how in the third act; it's really hard to root for him like in BB and especially TDKR - because of that damn sonar equipment. He becomes so cold and detached in the third act after Rachel dies and Dent becomes scarred. Bruce's actions become extremely questionable and you can't help but side with Lucius when he threatens to walk if Bruce doesn't destroy the machine after he does him this one favor.

I don't know, spying on people to find the Joker and only the Joker this one time, as he built in the self destruct code for Lucius to use after, it wasn't any more morally questionable than leaving Ra's to die on the train, or murdering Talia's driver with The Bat's guns.

 

[JackWhite]

Well that's good to know



I don't know, spying on people to find the Joker and only the Joker this one time, as he built in the self destruct code for Lucius to use after, it wasn't any more morally questionable than leaving Ra's to die on the train, or murdering Talia's driver with The Bat's guns.

Haha, true, but a think the film wanted to show how morally ambiguous Batman can be at times, and the sonar scene displayed that very nicely.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, I mean maybe this could be reflective of our political leanings to some extent, but I was totally cheering on Batman in TDK's third act. Joker had to be stopped.

 

[JackWhite]

Yeah, I mean maybe this could be reflective of our political leanings to some extent, but I was totally cheering on Batman in TDK's third act. Joker had to be stopped.

Oh, same here. But that sonar scene did make me feel slightly uncomfortable. But I liked it t:.

 

[The Joker]

Haha, true, but a think the film wanted to show how morally ambiguous Batman can be at times, and the sonar scene displayed that very nicely.

Well plowing and flipping Cop cars in Begins also showed that. Alfred got really pissed off with him over that. This time it was Lucius who was annoyed with him.

 

[JackWhite]

Well plowing and flipping Cop cars in Begins also showed that. Alfred got really pissed off with him over that. This time it was Lucius who was annoyed with him.

lol, I know, right? Everything comes full circle in TDKR when Alfred tells Bruce how much of a side-show he made of himself after his first night back as Batman.

 

[The Joker]

lol, I know, right? Everything comes full circle in TDKR when Alfred tells Bruce how much of a side-show he made of himself after his first night back as Batman.

Yes, but this time he didn't put any lives in jeopardy. Alfred thought he was just showing off with his new toys from Fox. Alfred was more concerned he was putting himself in needless jeopardy.

 

[Brain Damage]

Am I the only one who doesn't feel that way? Who thinks Bruce was just as prominent in the story, and Bale was very underrated next to scene stealing Heath?

I was just as immersed in Bruce's conflict in TDK as I was with the Joker and Dent. He provided so many of the subtle emotional moments. For example one of my favorites was in the final scene with Two Face, Gordon, and Gordon's family.

Batman: "What happened to Rachel wasn't chance. We decided to act. We three"
Dent: "Then why was it me who was the only one who lost everything?"
Batman: ".....it wasn't"

The quiet way Batman said that, the look of pain in his face. He lost Rachel, too. He wants to share his pain with Dent. Let him know he's not the only one who suffered, but he can't.

It was the nuanced moments like these from Bale that fare not always appreciated.

Again, we are in agreement.
Heath's Joker was one of the best parts about TDK, but he was just one cog in a very well oiled machine. Whenever I think about about why I love TDK so much the first thing that pops into my head is never The Joker. It's always Batman, Gordon and Dent. They drive the story forward, and they're the emotional backbone of the entire film. The Joker is the delicious frosting on the triple chocolate cake, but he is not the cake itself. I feel like people who only like TDK because of Heath's performance are missing the point entirely. That's their prerogative, of course, but TDK is a truly great film, not a mediocre one with a great performance.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Again, we are in agreement.
Heath's Joker was one of the best parts about TDK, but he was just one cog in a very well oiled machine. Whenever I think about about why I love TDK so much the first thing that pops into my head is never The Joker. It's always Batman, Gordon and Dent. They drive the story forward, and they're the emotional backbone of the entire film. The Joker is the delicious frosting on the triple chocolate cake, but he is not the cake itself. I feel like people who only like TDK because of Heath's performance are missing the point entirely. That's their prerogative, of course, but TDK is a truly great film, not a mediocre one with a great performance.

Definitely agree here. Heath gives a great performance, but the movie is definitely about Batman and what he would inspire in the real world. Whether it is the fake Batman, a Harvey Dent, or the Joker, everything that occurs in the movie is because of his very existence. Bruce may not have been given the focus as much as he was in BB, but he was very much the main character in TDK. I think that is what makes it such a great movie, that Gotham actually feels like a real city, we care for all the inhabitants, and that just makes the symbolism of Batman all the more potent. This is where I think TDKR drops the ball, it feels like just another superhero movie because outside of the main characters it doesn't feel like anything is really at stake. The TDKR finale is definitely comparable to the Avenger's finale in this regard, yes there's cool stuff going on, but there are no emotional stakes and thus there is no real connection to what is happening onscreen.

 

[Dark Knight]

Stumbled upon some decent ideas being thrown about regarding the rebooted Batman films. Good ideas IMO.

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/07/23/casting-batman-reboot-dark-knight_n_1695233.html#slide=1262595

Gosling and Refn would be great choices to direct the next Bat films.

 

[Tequilla]

Jett interviews Chris Corbould on TDK trilogy: http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_interview_ChrisCorbould_11-7-12.html

Nice interview

I loved reading Chris Corbould saying he was the 2nd unit director on Skyfall (and he loved it ) but he will never have the chance to do that in a Nolan movie t:

 

[antovolk]

Unused TDKR "Rise" posters:

Source

And I'm hearing the folks at DVDWorldUSA are getting the TDKR BD/DVD next Wednesday...

 

[Brain Damage]

Considering how clever and inventive some of the TDK posters were, I'm sad so many of the TDKR posters are so bland and generic.

 

[The Joker]

Again, we are in agreement.
Heath's Joker was one of the best parts about TDK, but he was just one cog in a very well oiled machine. Whenever I think about about why I love TDK so much the first thing that pops into my head is never The Joker. It's always Batman, Gordon and Dent. They drive the story forward, and they're the emotional backbone of the entire film. The Joker is the delicious frosting on the triple chocolate cake, but he is not the cake itself. I feel like people who only like TDK because of Heath's performance are missing the point entirely. That's their prerogative, of course, but TDK is a truly great film, not a mediocre one with a great performance.

Definitely agree here. Heath gives a great performance, but the movie is definitely about Batman and what he would inspire in the real world. Whether it is the fake Batman, a Harvey Dent, or the Joker, everything that occurs in the movie is because of his very existence. Bruce may not have been given the focus as much as he was in BB, but he was very much the main character in TDK. I think that is what makes it such a great movie, that Gotham actually feels like a real city, we care for all the inhabitants, and that just makes the symbolism of Batman all the more potent. This is where I think TDKR drops the ball, it feels like just another superhero movie because outside of the main characters it doesn't feel like anything is really at stake. The TDKR finale is definitely comparable to the Avenger's finale in this regard, yes there's cool stuff going on, but there are no emotional stakes and thus there is no real connection to what is happening onscreen.

Exactly. Well said

Considering how clever and inventive some of the TDK posters were, I'm sad so many of the TDKR posters are so bland and generic.

This is so true. The one with Bane and the shattered Batman mask is the best of the lot, IMO.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The TDKR posters were so disappointing... even the trailers weren't really up to the standard of TDK.

I guess they thought, ''To hell with marketing, we have this in the bag''.

 

[Kane52630]

I'd like to think messenjahmatt's posters were official just because...

His silhouette posters were my favorites.

 

[AnneFan]

The TDKR posters were so disappointing... even the trailers weren't really up to the standard of TDK.

I guess they thought, ''To hell with marketing, we have this in the bag''.

Yep, that's the sentiment I felt. These lot of unused posters follow that trend.

I think the Bane 'fear' chalk marking would've looked good on soundtrack back cover. But not so much as a poster all to itself.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The TDKR posters were so disappointing... even the trailers weren't really up to the standard of TDK.

I guess they thought, ''To hell with marketing, we have this in the bag''.

If you ask me, NOTHING in TDKR was to the standard of TDK, but thats just my opinion of course

 

[Brain Damage]

If you ask me, NOTHING in TDKR was to the standard of TDK, but thats just my opinion of course

Hans Zimmer?

 

[AnneFan]

Hans Zimmer?

Zimmer delivered the goods for me, and I liked his new material in the movie - something he gets slammed for apparently not doing. On Thin Ice, Gotham's Reckoning, Mind if I Cut in?, The Fire Rises, Why Do We Fall? and the last half of Imagine the Fire.

 

[Brain Damage]

Zimmer delivered the goods for me, and I liked his new material in the movie - something he gets slammed for apparently not doing. On Thin Ice, Gotham's Reckoning, Mind if I Cut in?, The Fire Rises, Why Do We Fall? and the last half of Imagine the Fire.

Yup
Personally, I prefer Bane's themes more than Joker's. The low, eery notes building to a crescendo, the powerful brass section, I love it all. Having said that, both Joker and Bane had themes that completely fit their characters, and ultimately that's what really counts.

 

[JackWhite]

Yup
Personally, I prefer Bane's themes more than Joker's. The low, eery notes building to a crescendo, the powerful brass section, I love it all. Having said that, both Joker and Bane had themes that completely fit their characters, and ultimately that's what really counts.

Agreed, bro!

Both Joker and Bane's themes, whenever played, got you thinking "oh sh%t, he's somewhere!"

 

[J0k3r]

Considering how clever and inventive some of the TDK posters were, I'm sad so many of the TDKR posters are so bland and generic.

I like the first two posters (the one with the buildings and the broken mask one) and Catwoman's, with the red "lipstick". The others are very generic.

And the teaser trailer is great, even having exactly the same scene on the movie. All the idea of the movie is there, like the teaser of The Dark Knight too.

 

[I Am The Knight]

The TDKR posters were so disappointing... even the trailers weren't really up to the standard of TDK.

A reflection of the movie itself. The TDK stuff was excting, from promotional pics, to posters, to trailers. The TDKR stuff was just...Not excellent, still great, but there was no real "urge", if you know what I mean.

 

[Brain Damage]

A reflection of the movie itself. The TDK stuff was excting, from promotional pics, to posters, to trailers. The TDKR stuff was just...Not excellent, still great, but there was no real "urge", if you know what I mean.

I thought the trailers were fantastic, especially the second theatrical one. But it's a shame so many of the clips we saw in them were barely expanded upon in the actual film. That's a stark contrast to TDK's trailers.