The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 141

[The Guard]

I feel like we've discussed this to death already, but rumors are fun.

I don't particularly want to see this, but if he is Batman in JUSTICE LEAGUE, then it just means they're tying The Dark Knight trilogy into the DC film Universe, and it won't really be that much of a surprise given the end of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, which obviously could have gone into another film. If he's not, then he's not. We'll see, I guess.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Is that a good thing though? Meshing other elements with using Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc and then having more solo Batfilms with a new director trying to achieve the lofty goals in a Batfilm that Nolan had done with his trilogy by using the same tone and atmosphere....not wise, imo, not wise at all. Best to give us a whole different kind of Bruce Wayne.

Oh how I dread this Justice League idea....Warner Brothers seem to only be focused on thinking they can make money like Avengers without putting any critical thought into this scheme.

Both of you make valid points. Especially you Travesty.

Speaking of which, this whole situation is very much a travesty.

 

[shauner111]

Fitting in with the universe that Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern can provide? A new Bruce Wayne/Batman in a non-Nolan continuity is the most logical choice.

Will it require people to see TDKR to understand why there's a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne? Maybe not. Avengers didn't require viewings of the other movies. WB might be counting on the fact that most of the world will have seen TDKR anyway.

It changes everything. It means Batman Begins is the first story of this continuity, which means Bruce was the first superhero ever, not Superman. It means Man Of Steel and upcoming Flash/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman movies will need to be as grounded as humanly possible. Does Ryan Reynolds return or not?

This might create more questions.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Fitting in with the universe that Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern can provide? A new Bruce Wayne/Batman in a non-Nolan continuity is the most logical choice.

Well, yes, this is the logical choice. Give Nolan what he wanted in the first place, his story to tell and let's move on from Nolan's story and go back to a Bruce Wayne that wasn't taught by the League of Shadows.

Will it require people to see TDKR to understand why there's a Batman who isn't Bruce Wayne? Maybe not. Avengers didn't require viewings of the other movies. WB might be counting on the fact that most of the world will have seen TDKR anyway.

If they go with the Nolan continuity, then it definitely requires people to see TDKR to know why the only character known to be Batman isn't Batman in JL.

It changes everything. It means Batman Begins is the first story of this continuity, which means Bruce was the first superhero ever, not Superman. It means Man Of Steel and upcoming Flash/Green Lantern/Wonder Woman movies will need to be as grounded as humanly possible. Does Ryan Reynolds return or not?

I dread this idea more and more we talk about Nolan's continuity being used, lol.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

It would be quite controversial to have a non bruce wayne batman and if its JGL then we are definitely talking about keeping the TDK continuity. I see things as a James Bond continuity kind of thing, where the continuity is sort of there but it isnt tied to the actors or the feel of the movie and loose enough to do whatever they want. We had the same moneypenny with some Connery and Moore movies for example and people just accept it and move on.

The TDK trillogy would be seen as a separate story arc like a comic book story arc would be in my eyes. Although you could also have JGL play nightwing and bring back Batman out of retirement. This all starts feeling out like the comics but thats clearly the feel they want to go for in JL

I just hope Syncopy stays involved in these projects somehow.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Well this rumour came flying out of nowhere.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

After finding out what the ending of the movie was in early July, you'd have to figure there was a much greater than 0% chance of this being a possibility. It's one of the reasons why I hated the ending to the movie.

 

[Frodo]

I'm really not keen on the idea myself . But they're so hell bent to make this film that I really doubt fan reaction is gonna make much of a difference. I thought Blake was ok but eh...not enough to actually see him become Batman on screen. So if this is true I guess the whole," let's reboot the series stuff," is pretty much out the window and they're gonna try to milk the Nolanverse as long as possible.

 

[georgec]

And why are people freaking out?

 

[Brain Damage]

I'm gonna go to bed and hope that when I wake up tomorrow this rumor will be erased from existence.

 

[Frodo]

And why are people freaking out?

I don't think its so much freaking out as eye rolling. Ultimately WB is gonna do what they wanna do.

 

[Brother Jack]

I seriously doubt that's happening. Just the prospect of linking Nolan's Gotham with the JL universe is absurd.

 

[SpideyFan866]

After finding out what the ending of the movie was in early July, you'd have to figure there was a much greater than 0% chance of this being a possibility. It's one of the reasons why I hated the ending to the movie.

Same. For a film that is the conclusion to the series, it is WAY, WAAAAAY too open ended.

Nolan definitely failed in that regard.

 

[shauner111]

Of course i want to see the reboot that's more fantastical with Freeze and a new Joker, etc. But im not gonna complain if they continue the realistic world of Gotham. I absolutely dont want a realistic reboot in a seperate continuity, no ****ing way. Only if it's a continuation of Nolans movies. That's why i wont be mad.

One thing is for sure, we wont see Joker for a lonnnng time if this happens. Say goodbye to Clayface too (for all you fans who want that). Would they be open to including more fantasy now if a new director keeps the solo movies going?? Or keep it like Nolan and just give us Riddler, etc.

If they go with the Nolan continuity, then it definitely requires people to see TDKR to know why the only character known to be Batman isn't Batman in JL.

What i meant was, they can explain it a bit in the beginning of the movie, in a quick scene. I think the majority (if not all) of the audience going to see JL probably saw the trilogy, including TDKR. Add a short scene between Blake and Fox and you can do it.

Same. For a film that is the conclusion to the series, it is WAY, WAAAAAY too open ended.

Nolan definitely failed in that regard.

I dont think so. He said he would end Bruce Waynes journey. So what if the Batmans symbol and another new characters journey had a cliffhanger.

 

[Frodo]

I think if they had JGL's Batman in JLA it would be consistent with the ending of TDKR. Though you're taking a character from Nolan's grounded reality and putting him in a superpwered world . If that's the case ,I don't see why they can't bring back Bale as Batman for example. They're clearly not ready to close the door on the Nolan world and characters , and bringing him back would be no more far fecthed then having a former cop as Batman fighting with Superman and WW. But who knows, this whole thing may be a trial balloon to gauge reaction.

 

[Deserana]

Linking Nolan's universe to Superman... nah. But they could do interesting stuff with JGL IMO.

 

[shauner111]

If we get solo films out of this, which would mean a sequel to TDKR (i cant believe im saying that) then i can see some references to the Joker. I dont see a re-cast, but some hints at Joker in Arkham would be nice. It would also be good cuz we wont see repeated villains for a long while.

A "sequel" while staying true to the trilogy, since Bruce Wayne won't be returning.

 

[Herolee10]

Even though the story concluded with John Blake rising as the new guardian of Gotham, within the context of Nolan's world, as long as Christian Bale's Batman is alive and well, he'll always be THE Batman for me, so it'd feel pretty weird to see the adventures of another, knowing full well that the original person is supposedly somewhere out there in that fictional world, alive and well.

I mean, look at the Bourne franchise; Jason bourne escaped from authorities at the end of the third film, and they decided to go with a new character within that given environment for the fourth film, but the film was not considered as good as the previous films, and I've talked with some who said that throughout the entire time that they were watching "legacy", they could only think about wishing to see Matt return to the franchise.

 

[Anita18]

I need to save this.

And yeah, Bale won't be back as Wayne for JL, and having JGL as a rebooted Bruce Wayne is beyond stupid. Also, Batman = Bruce Wayne for like, 99.9% of the movie-watching population. It's better just to reboot the entire Batman storyline.

 

[Binker]

I dont buy this for a minute: WB wants to REBOOT Batman, not resume the Dark Knight trilogy. Regards of "business is business", even with the reboot, they wouldn't want to make more from Nolan's world as a rebooted film three years or more from now for the new generation would be just as successful. Even so, please no more of Nolan's films; leave it alone, and let it be; don't ruin it.

Plus, here's one idea: let's say that Levitt is being considered, then would he be considered to play BRUCE WAYNE/BATMAN in the reboot, and not reprising ROBIN JOHN BLAKE/BATMAN from Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy?

 

[Tequilla]

Grant Morisson to the rescue...

Who cares ! World's Finest has always been an absurd concept , this will probably be just a piece of sh , fluffy superhero group movie . They just want their money to start being printed.

The only thing i want is a good Man of Steel movie

Wb shouldn't care for continuity. They should stick with the individual movies , and do this superhero group thing with no relation. Not everything needs to be connected or make sense (like M in this new Bond movies....who cares if it doesnt make any kind of logic !!)

 

[Doc Samson]

Honestly I still, to this day, never thought the ending meant Blake was going to literally become "The Batman" to begin with. Bruce simply gave him the tools to create whatever symbol of his choosing, acknowledging that even though he was done personally, Gotham would always need a guardian. And seeing Blake in the cave as the final shot was just a poetic, thematic way of ending it.

That being said, any link to Nolan's trilogy is beyond foolish and something I doubt WB is really considering. The bottomline is, after what happened with GL, their whole focus should be on MoS. If that movie isn't a resounding success on its own merits, I don't see the logic in even attempting a JL film in the first place...

I don't see a problem with JL 1 not having batman at all, and introducing him in the sequel.

I kind of agree. WB needs some of these other properties to work. Especially considering that the majority of the JL heroes are larger than life, mystical, magical super-beings of almost god-like proportions, Batman isn't that necessary at first.

 

[BatLobster]

Putting Blake in the cowl would only serve to prolong the inevitable reboot of the Batman world. Eventually they're gonna have to put Wayne back in the cowl, and if they launch their DC film universe without Wayne it's only going to make things more convoluted down the line.

Meanwhile, casting JGL as the new Bruce Wayne would be asinine and only serve to piss off both the diehard fans of Nolan's Bat-universe AND its detractors who want something new.

I don't see this one happening. But I've been wrong before.....

 

[Tequilla]

Putting Blake in the cowl would only serve to prolong the inevitable reboot of the Batman world. Eventually they're gonna have to put Wayne back in the cowl, and if they launch their DC film universe without Wayne it's only going to make things more convoluted down the line.

Meanwhile, casting JGL as the new Bruce Wayne would be asinine and only serve to piss off both the diehard fans of Nolan's Bat-universe AND its detractors who want something new.

I don't see this one happening. But I've been wrong before.....

If they want , they can even put Bale back in the batsuit , they make up some excuse about it (like the thor one . I saw a guy flying and i had to meet him....Bam) . I dont think that sort of movie requires much thought (that's why Nolan's Batman are so different from typical c-grade genre superhero stories that no one takes seriously).

 

[Robin91939]

I'd actually be -- and I think most of everyone else -- would be perfectly fine with this news if they revealed John Blake's name to be Dick Grayson...

This would appease the die-hard fans. And, hey, Bruce is still alive somewhere and could always make a triumphant return in a Justice League follow-up.

But seeing Dick Grayson as Batman wouldn't be as jarring as some newly created character named John Blake.

-R