The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 142

[ThreadPool]

Yeah. I didn't agree with it but can ya do? I think maybe that way would've been more effective. Like after a period of years he became more of a hinderance because his growing Rogues Gallery.

 

[BlueLightning]

Well to be fair on the night Dent died, Bruce was totally wrecked physically. That's the point when the limp on his leg started. He would need a considerable time to heal. Harvey states to the mayor "Think of all you could do with 18 months of clean streets." It is reasonable that his "heroic" death could have boosted this process of taking down the rest of the criminals while Bruce healed. Also, allowing Bruce to focus on other endeavors, namely the clean energy project.

 

[Brother Jack]

I just found it ridiculous that he wasn't needed at all anymore, after one new law passed. So all the crimes the Police couldn't handle before, suddenly became managable? He should have prowled the rooftops at least for a couple of years, until he only got out every other night, until he eventually stopped. Not gone for 8 years the night Dent and Rachel died.

The Dent Act turned Gotham into a mild police state. It was a big extension of the litigation seen in Dark Knight when Gordon and the police round up the mob and Harvey Dent tries them in a RICO case (itself something that could only happen in that universe, but I digress). As the mayor tells Dent, it only really works because Gotham is enamored with Dent, which is also magnified in Rises. After his death, Dent is nearly deified in Gotham and it's that idolization that supports the eradication of organized crime and the absence of Batman.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

People in comics understand theres story arcs and things change from one to another but the basics remain. People accept the Batman we see in Detective Comics and the one in Justice League as one and the same without questioning so much "where was the justice league when batman was trying to deactivate the bomb, or stop the killer, or when this or that". I believe people can get over that quick. Individual movies could be in some sort of loose separate continuity.

In regards to John Blake, there was a clear nod in the movie that he is Robin. Its very possible he moves on to Nightwing and is the one to bring Bruce back which would be kind of cool.

 

[ThreadPool]

Well to be fair on the night Dent died, Bruce was totally wrecked physically. That's the point when the limp on his leg started. He would need a considerable time to heal. Harvey states to the mayor "Think of all you could do with 18 months of clean streets." It is reasonable that his "heroic" death could have boosted this process of taking down the rest of the criminals while Bruce healed. Also, allowing Bruce to focus on other endeavors, namely the clean energy project.

The Dent Act turned Gotham into a mild police state. It was a big extension of the litigation seen in Dark Knight when Gordon and the police round up the mob and Harvey Dent tries them in a RICO case (itself something that could only happen in that universe, but I digress). As the mayor tells Dent, it only really works because Gotham is enamored with Dent, which is also magnified in Rises. After his death, Dent is nearly deified in Gotham and it's that idolization that supports the eradication of organized crime and the absence of Batman.

Stuff like this is why I can get with the absence even if I don't like it. Nice explanations.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Might have made it better than TDKR.

Hah, no.

 

[The Joker]

Well to be fair on the night Dent died, Bruce was totally wrecked physically. That's the point when the limp on his leg started.

You could see him limping and stumbling at the end of TDK when he's running toward the Bat-Pod.

 

[BatLobster]

Hah, no.

I recently watched a documentary about screenwriters and screenwriting on Netflix. A lot of it is about how much they get dumped on and how it gets taken for granted by the studios, when it's incredibly, incredibly challenging in reality.

My advice to anyone on these forums who thinks they can write a better movie than the Nolans- finish your spec NOW and don't rest until it's sold. We need more good movies.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You could see him limping and stumbling at he end of TDK when he's running toward the Bat-Pod.

Do you think this was intentional with Nolan having an idea of making Bruce retire from the cape and cowl or just added to this when he started working on TDKR?

 

[Brother Jack]

Stuff like this is why I can get with the absence even if I don't like it. Nice explanations.

Thanks.

In a way I don't think you're supposed to like Batman's absence. I mean, we see how much Bruce's life has deteriorated without Batman and although the outside of Gotham appears to be better off we know that the deception it was based upon won't last forever and that Batman will have to come back and deal with his past mistakes and find redemption and all that. We see that Bruce couldn't just discard Batman in the state he was in.

 

[ThreadPool]

That makes sense... Man I wanna watch it again, but I gotta be at work in 6 hours!
'Night all

 

[AnneFan]

Do you think this was intentional with Nolan having an idea of making Bruce retire from the cape and cowl or just added to this when he started working on TDKR?

I'm sure I've heard Nolan say he deals with movies on an individual basis, making each one the best it can be. So I'm assuming he just took the idea once he began working on Rises and expanded it.

 

[jacobed]

Well he begins to think about the next one. They've said that during Inception, Nolan was looking at Hardy as Bane

 

[DCMarvelNews]

Do you think this was intentional with Nolan having an idea of making Bruce retire from the cape and cowl or just added to this when he started working on TDKR?

Like other people have mentioned - Nolan says he works on one film at a time. I'd have thought he went back and watched The Dark Knight and thought he could use the limp.

I assumed it got worse in Rises because Bruce never got the leg sorted, he just left it to get worse.

 

[Tequilla]

Might have made it better than TDKR.

Absolutely. Nothing but class A filmmakers and storytellers. Who's Nolan compared with the fine crop that composes superherohype boards.

I for one have to say , i couldn't have made it. Maybe its my low self-esteem.

 

[Tequilla]

People in comics understand theres story arcs and things change from one to another but the basics remain. People accept the Batman we see in Detective Comics and the one in Justice League as one and the same without questioning so much "where was the justice league when batman was trying to deactivate the bomb, or stop the killer, or when this or that". I believe people can get over that quick. Individual movies could be in some sort of loose separate continuity.

In regards to John Blake, there was a clear nod in the movie that he is Robin. Its very possible he moves on to Nightwing and is the one to bring Bruce back which would be kind of cool.

I never , ever accept that. Its stupid in every medium.

I remember as a young kid having some combo issues with justice league issues and then detective comics ..and i always found the notion that these characters exist in the same universe pretty stupid.

But i also dont think people care too much for this continuty-. Nolan's Batman has a story. They can create another one with Supe's , that it wont ever change anything from the trilogy. They can throw Bale in the movie , invent some lame excuse and its done.

 

[Donut]

Years of waiting for a Justice League movie & Bruce Wayne might not even be Batman ? Get a new actor if they want for Justice League & the reboot. But **** you Nolan & **** Blake & JGL if he is Batman or whatever he ends up being

 

[shauner111]

I never , ever accept that. Its stupid in every medium.

I remember as a young kid having some combo issues with justice league issues and then detective comics ..and i always found the notion that these characters exist in the same universe pretty stupid.

But i also dont think people care too much for this continuty-. Nolan's Batman has a story. They can create another one with Supe's , that it wont ever change anything from the trilogy. They can throw Bale in the movie , invent some lame excuse and its done.

Nolan needs to get on this (if he hasnt already) and convince Bale that it's OK to return this one time in JL. He needs to put his protective nature that he has over his version of the character and let it go just like he let the franchise go this summer. Let Bale and perhaps JGL return as Batman and Robin, or 1 for Justice League and the other for a spin-off in Gotham.

I would prefer that far more than some bat-reboot. A reboot in 2.5 years after the release of TDKR blu-ray? It's too soon. I know its not like Amazing Spider-man cuz we wouldnt be getting a new origin story and the tone could be extremely different. But i just love Bale as Batman and i would love it if they linked it to Nolan/Snyders Man Of Steel.

Im worried about the actor theyll cast for Bruce Wayne. Maybe thats another part of it. I dont trust WB in casting a good actor. And after watching the trailer for MOS, i cant help but feel it could all exist in the same universe as Nolans Gotham.

 

[BlueLightning]

Do you think this was intentional with Nolan having an idea of making Bruce retire from the cape and cowl or just added to this when he started working on TDKR?

Who knows? But the limp was even on the script. But like DCMarvelNews said, he took the concepts left on The Dark Knight and expanded upon that.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I never , ever accept that. Its stupid in every medium.

I remember as a young kid having some combo issues with justice league issues and then detective comics ..and i always found the notion that these characters exist in the same universe pretty stupid.

And I always find it ridiculous that people find it difficult to accept that characters that have been a part of the same universe since the 40's and have evolved in their character to be malleable to that universe, exist in that same shared universe.

Different strokes I guess.

But i also dont think people care too much for this continuty-. Nolan's Batman has a story. They can create another one with Supe's , that it wont ever change anything from the trilogy. They can throw Bale in the movie , invent some lame excuse and its done.

Because the previous stories weren't invented?

 

[CGHulk]

 

[Anno_Domini]

Aww, it's like a family portrait!

 

[Kane52630]

"Never rub another man's rhubarb" - Joker

"Does Harvey know about you and his little bunny?" - Joker

 

[BlueLightning]

It needs some Romero!

 

[Greens]

That is awesome