The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 142

[Anno_Domini]

That's how I interpreted the scene too. I feel that's part of why she seduces him. To get him softened up, either to fall into her trap or Bane's.

Asking where Alfred was was telling a tell of Talia having an idea popping up in her mind of softening Bruce up as well.

 

[BatLobster]

I've been saying this many, many times but no one's really said anything back to me about it, lol.

I feel that, yes, Talia had a plan of taking Bruce to the Pit and revealing herself rather than Bane breaking Batman thus Talia would not really have a chance to reveal herself if Bruce didn't climb out of the Pit.

Yeah, I think it's clear that they wanted Bruce out of Gotham and in that Pit before they put their plan into action. Whether it be by deception via Talia or a brutal beatdown via Bane, they were going to make sure of it one way or another.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yeah, I think it's clear that they wanted Bruce out of Gotham and in that Pit before they put their plan into action. Whether it be by deception via Talia or a brutal beatdown via Bane, they were going to make sure of it one way or another.

Indeed. And I never got that until my fifth or sixth time watching TDKR in theatres and it definitely make sense of Miranda Tate even bringing up going somewhere in her plane. Asking where was Alfred, immediately having sex with him when there never seemed like she had feelings for him and then asking him to go somewhere with her that night...couldn't all be a coincidence.

 

[BatLobster]

Indeed. And I never got that until my fifth or sixth time watching TDKR in theatres and it definitely make sense of Miranda Tate even bringing up going somewhere in her plane. Asking where was Alfred, immediately having sex with him when there never seemed like she had feelings for him and then asking him to go somewhere with her that night...couldn't all be a coincidence.

Femme fatale to the MAX

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

It's really by Batman's own initiative that he encounters Bane. Had he not stopped being a recluse or decided to come back as Batman to track him down, he and Bane would not have crossed paths. Bane never directly comes after Batman, like people wanted Bane to just show up in the Batcave and kick his ass. It's the other way around.

 

[Brother Jack]

It's really by Batman's own initiative that he encounters Bane. Had he not stopped being a recluse or decided to come back as Batman to track him down, he and Bane would not have crossed paths. Bane never directly comes after Batman, like people wanted Bane to just show up in the Batcave and kick his ass. It's the other way around.

Yes, it's Batman's own arrogance that brings about his downfall. You see this in a lot of his lines ("These aren't your typical brawlers." "Neither am I."), in Bruce's dealings with Alfred, and even the way he calmly dodges the police. He's got this hubris about him in returning after being away for so long.

 

[BatLobster]

Yes, it's Batman's own arrogance that brings about his downfall. You see this in a lot of his lines ("These aren't your typical brawlers." "Neither am I."), in Bruce's dealings with Alfred, and even the way he calmly dodges the police. He's got this hubris about him in returning after being away for so long.

That's where I think Miranda's line "revenge is just a reward for my patience" comes in. The way I look at it, they knew Bruce was a recluse and a gimp and didn't figure he would stand in the way of their plans. Miranda had been trying to get close to him so he would entrust her with the company and the energy project once they bankrupted him (which was always part of the plan).

It's only once he reemerges as Batman and nearly foils their plan that they decide Bruce must be taken out of the game. Selina, with her connections to the underground most likely catches wind that Bane wants to take the Batman out and that's how she knows she can use that to leverage herself out of their crosshairs.

I will admit, there is arguably some conjecture here on my part but that is how I've come to interpret it. The only thing that would really debunk this in my mind is if we could prove that they anticipated drawing the Batman out with the stock exchange attack. But I really doubt that, because I think Batman's return was an X factor and most likely an unforeseen side effect of their actions. With the Bruce being a total shut-in, I don't think they were counting on him being a factor. Anybody see it the same way?

 

[Legion]

I love TDKR. I try not to compare TDKR to the TDK. I think they are both amazing films, they just tell a different chapter of Batman's legacy. I do think though that TDKR has more replay value.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It's really by Batman's own initiative that he encounters Bane. Had he not stopped being a recluse or decided to come back as Batman to track him down, he and Bane would not have crossed paths. Bane never directly comes after Batman, like people wanted Bane to just show up in the Batcave and kick his ass. It's the other way around.

Which is probably where Talia comes along to try and leave Gotham with him.

 

[Dragon_316ca]

I think Kane52630 got these mirrored screencaps from this site:

http://posterdecinema.wordpress.com...-cavaleiro-das-trevas-conexoes-e-referencias/

I'm going to add in a couple:

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[kvz5]

Some of those parallels are great and obviously intentional but some are laughable and reaching too far.

 

[Tequilla]

I think its from here

http://imgur.com/a/3EpQo

There's definitely a lot of parallel imagery . Its very clear re-watching the movies back to back. Similar setups in similar actions. Everything feels very coherent.

I never had noticed the green cup being the same in begins and rises.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Some of those parallels are great and obviously intentional but some are laughable and reaching too far.

Agreed, it started of pretty well though

 

[the last son]

What is with that bubble or pimple(whatever) over christian bales eye. Get it removed.

 

[the last son]

Is Jonathan Nolan more of a brilliant mind than Chris. I'm starting to think so.

 

[BatLobster]

I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of those parallels are intentional. Nolan had Wally watch the previous two movies in IMAX prior to shooting because they wanted to make sure the look of the film was bridging the gap between the two movies the way the story was. Even little things like the angle of Bruce on the ground with Ra's/Bane hovering above him seem like deliberate choices in the cinematography.

 

[JackWhite]

Is Jonathan Nolan more of a brilliant mind than Chris. I'm starting to think so.

I wouldn't go as far to say that he is more brilliant, but looking back on the contributions Jonathan has brought to the table for the entire trilogy has been really eye opening. I love how on the journey of Bruce Wayne special feature he talked about taking Bruce to the absolute darkest/bleakest of places, bringing him all the way to the edge, grinding him out, and seeing what comes back.

He was definitely a tremendous part of the creative process for this brilliant trilogy.

 

[AnneFan]

Yes, it's Batman's own arrogance that brings about his downfall. You see this in a lot of his lines ("These aren't your typical brawlers." "Neither am I."), in Bruce's dealings with Alfred, and even the way he calmly dodges the police. He's got this hubris about him in returning after being away for so long.

Yep. Selina took Bruce to Bane when approached to do so. And also satisfying her own needs by keeping Bane and his gang off her back. Granted, Batman likely wanted to take Bane on surprise, but when it came down to it - "I'll fight harder, I always have".

 

[BatLobster]

Jonah Nolan's contribution to this franchise has been invaluable. We may never even know what he contributed to Batman Begins, as he was uncredited.

I definitely think the guy is a supremely talented writer, despite the beating that TDKR's script seems to take. Despite Chris and Goyer cracking the story for TDKR, Jonah really had to have done a lot of the heavy lifting by figuring out how all the pieces fit together into one epic package Plus, if it weren't for him we probably wouldn't have had Catwoman in TDKR.

I think out of the three of the writing team, Jonah is definitely the one I'd most want to have a beer and chat the Bat with, heh.

 

[Anno_Domini]

What is with that bubble or pimple(whatever) over christian bales eye. Get it removed.

Shut the **** up.

Is Jonathan Nolan more of a brilliant mind than Chris. I'm starting to think so.

Yah, because Jonathan Nolan had anything to do with Batman Begins, the film that started it all as well as started a new trend in how to deal with films. Or Inception.

Jonathan Nolan has a brilliant mind, but so does Christopher Nolan. Together, they can create truly amazing pictures, as seen with TDK, TDKR and The Prestige.

 

[C. Lee]

Shut the **** up.

Totally uncalled for. You have been told dozens of time to post civilly. Take some time off.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Yah, because Jonathan Nolan had anything to do with Batman Begins, the film that started it all as well as started a new trend in how to deal with films. Or Inception.

He did uncredited rewrites and was the on-set script doctor if I recall.

 

[C. Lee]

What is with that bubble or pimple(whatever) over christian bales eye. Get it removed.

Making posts just to tick off a particular group of people is called trolling. DO NOT do it again.

 

[BlueLightning]

Talking about Jonathan Nolan, we owe him a huge deal. He seems to be a truly talented person, and his contributions to the trilogy have been invaluable. Check out his series Person of Interest (which I dub "Batman without Batman"), it is just great. I have a huge respect for the Nolan brothers and David Goyer, they proved to be a great team

 

[Victarion]

I think we should give Chris a tip of the hat for being cool about Catwoman in the movie. She fit so well that I was surprised to hear it took Jonathan's coercion to get her in; the last time that happened in this genre, it was pretty messy.