The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 142

[BatLobster]

I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he looked at the comics for research or at least knew about Crane's backstory of being bullied as a child. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to internalize that a bit for his performance.

 

[BlueLightning]

Thought on the films his character was the less developed, Cillian Murphy did a great job on all the three films. I love the Scarecrow confrontation with Batman on the Narrows.

"Having trouble? Take a seat. Have a drink. "

And his fascinated look on Arkham when Batman arrives, just great.

 

[Darkness Falls]

"he's Here"
"Who"
"The bbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan"

is probably my favourite part of begins

 

[Travesty]

"The Bat, mannnnnnnnn"

"but the Baught Maun has a talent for disruption"

 

[Reek]

I love when

blows up.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

I love when

blows up.

Well, guess what?

You can see Rachel in the afterlife when we die tomorrow.

 

[The Joker]

Daggett was a pawn though.

Batman: "Crane was just a pawn. We have to be ready"

 

[BatLobster]

The difference is they killed Dagget when they didn't need him anymore, whereas Crane posed no threat to their plans because he was a bit cuckoo himself, so they let him run on a pretty long (ish) leash.

He's in that grey area, somewhere between full-fledged freak and common bad guy.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, and they needed Crane as part of the Arkham release on the Narrows. If they didn't then who's to say they wouldn't have killed him after his usefulness was done? After all he was marked for death anyway. Gotham was supposed to tear itself apart through fear. I assume Crane was marked for that, too, since he was falsely led to believe they were holding Gotham for ransom.

 

[TheBat812]

Sorry I should have clarified. By anything I meant anything of moral substance. The Joker wanted to break Gotham's minds and spirit and pit them into chaos but that's not something I'd call noble or moral. The LOS villains had a warped sense of justice, Dent wanted what was "fair" by punishing those who wronged him. They were evil acts but there was a warped sense of morality behind them.

The Joker only wanted anarchy and chaos. Crane just wanted money. In that regard Crane was the most shallow villain of the trilogy. But that was mainly because he was so under developed.

Nolans' Joker was essentially a nihilist and set about proving it. He doesn't really believe in terms like noble or moral, they are just man-made words to him.

Agreed about Crane. He really was just a pawn.

 

[georgec]

I was thinking a funny gif for message board threads around the internet would be one of Chris Judge dropping the grenade in the manhole then saying, "Lock it up!"

Kind of like the one around here with Selina on the Batpod when she spins around and the wall comes down saying, "Thread locked," or similar.

 

[Anita18]

The difference is they killed Dagget when they didn't need him anymore, whereas Crane posed no threat to their plans because he was a bit cuckoo himself, so they let him run on a pretty long (ish) leash.

He's in that grey area, somewhere between full-fledged freak and common bad guy.

He's a bit cuckoo thanks to Batman spraying his own fear toxin in his face.

The main difference was that Daggett was vengeful and he had the actual clout to mess up Bane's plans. Crane was more like the dweeb who acts out every once in a while to throw his weight around (or tries to), but who everyone basically ignores at the end of the day.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, and they needed Crane as part of the Arkham release on the Narrows. If they didn't then who's to say they wouldn't have killed him after his usefulness was done?

I don't think they really needed him to spread fear across Gotham, it seemed like just a nice little primer for things to come. One guy riding around on horseback in a freaky mask is kind of a drop in the ocean when you're talking about attacking an entire city with a weaponized hallucinogen.

Besides, if their plan had worked, maybe some toxin-induced cop would have just shot Crane anyway, since their plan was ultimately about making people kill each other. I don't think they particularly cared whether he lived or died, but I never got the impression that they saw him as some kind of loose end that needed to be tied up.

 

[shauner111]

I was thinking a funny gif for message board threads around the internet would be one of Chris Judge dropping the grenade in the manhole then saying, "Lock it up!"

Kind of like the one around here with Selina on the Batpod when she spins around and the wall comes down saying, "Thread locked," or similar.

We really need this for every new thread!

 

[BlueLightning]

Besides, if their plan had worked, maybe some toxin-induced cop would have just shot Crane anyway, since their plan was ultimately about making people kill each other.

Sometimes I forget how creepy and downward evil that plan is. It's villainously great.

 

[The Joker]

I don't think they really needed him to spread fear across Gotham, it seemed like just a nice little primer for things to come. One guy riding around on horseback in a freaky mask is kind of a drop in the ocean when you're talking about attacking an entire city with a weaponized hallucinogen.

That's my point. He would help spread the terror, and would inevitably be killed off himself, so there was no need for them to execute him hours before Gotham was going down itself.

So he's really in the same boat as Daggett. A pawn used by the LOS who was not in the know about their true intentions, and was going to die eventually by their hand anyway.

 

[BatLobster]

That's my point. He would help spread the terror, and would inevitably be killed off himself, so there was no need for them to execute him hours before Gotham was going down itself.

So he's really in the same boat as Daggett. A pawn used by the LOS who was not in the know about their true intentions, and was going to die eventually by their hand anyway.

Okay, I can buy that. I guess I was just trying to say that despite both being pawns of the LOS, Crane was a bit more perverse and has aspects of being a freak as well as a common bad guy.

Someone like Daggett would have no place or purpose in Bane's Gotham, as evidenced by what happened to Stryver. Even if they had let Daggett live, he'd still be lost in a Gotham where money meant nothing. But Crane was able to adapt to both scenarios, cause he's a bit more depraved with his fear fetish.

 

[BlueLightning]

I'm just glad that we saw Crane on the subsequent films. Having gone to the both showings spoiler-free, I grinned ear to ear when I saw him on screen.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I was thinking a funny gif for message board threads around the internet would be one of Chris Judge dropping the grenade in the manhole then saying, "Lock it up!"

Kind of like the one around here with Selina on the Batpod when she spins around and the wall comes down saying, "Thread locked," or similar.

Spoiler

 

[Reek]

"lock it up"......next line..."Light it up"

 

[Panthro]

I love when

blows up.

It would have been better if it had been Katie Holmes.

 

[Brother Jack]

Cillian's performance did a lot to sell the character in spite of his generic motivation.

I love Murphy's performance. It's very subtle but there's a lot going beneath the surface that comes across even with his relative lack of screentime. With a line like "I'm more than aware you're not intimidated by me" you get a lot of subtext about how Crane sees himself and how that influences his villainy. It's very creepy performance.

 

[Compi716]

Probably one of my favorite Batman image from the trilogy. I love how his eyes look completely white. Same at the end of the Batman/Ra's fight, right before Batman jumps out of the monorail.

 

[craigdbfan]

Yeah Murphy was great. The scene in Begins where he's talking with Falcone. Falcone is pretty much trying to blackmail him and he doesn't blink or change his facial expression one bit and it has the creepiest effect. That was perfect right there.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Spoiler

This guy must be a fan of Keaton Bats.