The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 147

[arturo]

I dont know why, but I think Affleck could pull it off.

He reminds me a lot to Bruce Wayne's The Batman cartoon.

Just my two cents.

Honestly he's a better choice than most of the fancastings here.

I agree

 

[James.B]

Morgan Freeman on the new Batman

This is the first I am hearing of it. My first reactions are 'Wow' and 'Good luck'," said the veteran actor when asked for his reaction "After the trilogy, I thought that no one would try it again for a few years more to let this whole thing die down, because it's still there. So I don't know, I hope Ben does well." So any chance he'd return to the role of Fox for the new movies if asked? Well of course he realizes that's extremely unlikely given the circumstances. "If the new movie does have a Lucius Fox I don't think it's going to be me," said Freeman. "It doesn't seem to work to mix characters in the movies. If you are going to change the lead character, you're probably going to change all the characters.
"When asked what he thought Affleck would bring to the part, Freeman signaled that he needed more time: "It's a good question, I have no idea."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/08/26/morgan-freeman-ben-affleck-batman/2701291/

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

It's been over a year since TDKR came out, and here are my final thoughts.

It's loud, it's both too long and too short, nothing about it makes sense, every single bit of continuity between BB and TDK is thrown away completely and any character depth created in the first two films is annihilated. It's a disaster of epic proportions that still confuses me.

I don't understand the positive reaction the critics gave it and I don't understand how any fan of Nolan's first two films can like TDKR. I remember last year when people on this forum pointed out all of the short comings of the film, and many die hards called it 'nit picking' and dismissed the complaints. It's not 'nit picking' when it's all true. It's not 'nit picking' when the things pointed out are major elements of the film that lower the overall enjoyment of the film.

The things i'm referring to have been written about here and discussed over and over, so they don't bare repeating, but they are valid and greatly impact my viewing of the film.

I get Nolan and Co. wanting to make a gigantic summer blockbuster and make a bazillion dollars, but what made me sad and angry was Chris' apparent full willingness to throw away every important theme and character moment of BB and TDK to make that big summer movie.

This is just my opinion. I don't want to tell other people whether or not they should like the movie, but as far as i'm concerned, it doesn't exist. I won't be watching it again. The only hope for a Batman reboot I have is if Nolan & Co have absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[shauner111]

Ill never understand that opinion. I think Rises was a perfect end to the trilogy that brought every theme full circle that was established in the first two. To each their own I guess! I love it.

 

[TheBlur]

^ 100% agreed.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]

TDKR ends the trilogy and therefore ends Batman's career. Nolan and co. chooses the theme of "moving on from the mental and emotional trap that is Batman" and it's up to the audiences or fans whether they are fine with that theme or not.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

Ill never understand that opinion. I think Rises was a perfect end to the trilogy that brought every theme full circle that was established in the first two. To each their own I guess! I love it.

 

[The Joker]

It's been over a year since TDKR came out, and here are my final thoughts.

It's loud, it's both too long and too short, nothing about it makes sense, every single bit of continuity between BB and TDK is thrown away completely and any character depth created in the first two films is annihilated. It's a disaster of epic proportions that still confuses me.

I don't understand the positive reaction the critics gave it and I don't understand how any fan of Nolan's first two films can like TDKR. I remember last year when people on this forum pointed out all of the short comings of the film, and many die hards called it 'nit picking' and dismissed the complaints. It's not 'nit picking' when it's all true. It's not 'nit picking' when the things pointed out are major elements of the film that lower the overall enjoyment of the film.

The things i'm referring to have been written about here and discussed over and over, so they don't bare repeating, but they are valid and greatly impact my viewing of the film.

I get Nolan and Co. wanting to make a gigantic summer blockbuster and make a bazillion dollars, but what made me sad and angry was Chris' apparent full willingness to throw away every important theme and character moment of BB and TDK to make that big summer movie.

This is just my opinion. I don't want to tell other people whether or not they should like the movie, but as far as i'm concerned, it doesn't exist. I won't be watching it again. The only hope for a Batman reboot I have is if Nolan & Co have absolutely nothing to do with it.

If I were you I'd have the admins change my user name since you have yours name after a line in a movie you clearly can't stand lol

 

[JackWhite]

If I were you I'd have the admins change my user name since you have yours name after a line in a movie you clearly can't stand lol

lol, I was thinking the same thing.

 

[BatLobster]

I feel like I hug this trilogy just a bit tighter at night now that we're in the Bat-fleck era.

That's not me hating on Affleck btw, we're just entering such an uncertain realm with this BvS movie. Whatever comes our way next good or bad, I can rest easy knowing we have le trilogy. It's a good feeling. Before 2005 there was always this yearning I had to see the ultimate Batman films. Now that's gone, and I'm just along for the ride for whatever comes our way. And even if BvS ends up being a huge miss and killing the franchise...it's nice to know that it can always come roaring back with a little time and distance.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah, if it fails ill be super disappointed because I want Affleck and this movie to succeed. I want a Batfleck film on his own that might become the best "batman" film ever made. I have high hopes. But at least ill have the trilogy.

Ive had my fix. The trilogy gave me the best "films" on a technical level..more than I ever thought could be possible for Batman. Some of my favorite DP's, composers, directors and actors in the business. The dark and serious batman with actors not hamming it up every chance they get...THAT is what I always wanted to see. It's what I constantly strive to see in any comic book movie. Yes im only talking about the "serious" bit not the "dark" part.

I got all that with the trilogy.

But I cant say im completely satisfied as a batman fan. I am with the trilogy. But I still believe the best BATMAN MOVIE hasn't happened. That's due to my love for the Animated Series, Mask Of The Phantasm and the whole tone of Arkham City. Plus I have an aching feeling as a fan to see a proper version of Penguin and Riddler after so many goofy versions. I guess my love for B:TAS keeps me optimistic in thinking Batfleck will deliver that style with a little hint of Nolan's style on the side. And as a fan of that stuff, of course I want to see Freeze and Harley done like the show.

So TDK-Trilogy is perfect to me, flaws and all. Perfect Bruce Wayne arc. It'll be remembered forever. Whenever the bat franchise falls on its face, it will be the TRILOGY that's remembered. But im sooo ready for the Batman I grew up with to be shown on the big screen.

 

[Green Goblin]

I always felt this film should have been split into two parts. There was so much to fill in one movie that I felt alot of things were not fully realised.

 

[BatLobster]

Two parts is weak sauce though. I really am not a fan of that, it often leads to two incomplete feeling movies. One is all set up, the other is all climax. I prefer a cohesive, all in one sitting experience even if it means certain ideas are more abbreviated.

To be honest, the scope of TDKR was so huge that it could cover an entire mini-series, never mind two movies, so there'd always be more to explore. The main focus of the story was Bruce's journey, as it should be.

 

[Green Goblin]

Two parts is weak sauce though. I really am not a fan of that, it leads to two incomplete feeling movies. One is all set up, the other is all climax. I prefer a cohesive, all in one sitting experience even if it means certain ideas are more abbreviated.

To be honest, the scope of TDKR was so huge that it could cover an entire mini-series, never mind two movies, so there'd always be more to explore. The main focus of the story was Bruce's journey, as it should be.

They moved through time alot suddenly, two parts I felt would have improved the pacing. Deathly Hallows was the best adaption of a HP book because it took it's time. Part 1 could be about Bane's rise to power and Batman's defeat. Part 2 could be about Batman's rise and the final battle for Gotham.
Would have milked more cash too.

 

[Snow Queen]

I know it'd be impractical and would never happen but I would have loved if we got the full 400 (or was it 300?) page script on screen. Just a 5 hour or longer film. Impractical but I'd love to sit through the whole thing (not two parts, just one full film).

 

[Green Goblin]

I know it'd be impractical and would never happen but I would have loved if we got the full 400 (or was it 300?) page script on screen. Just a 5 hour or longer film. Impractical but I'd love to sit through the whole thing (not two parts, just one full film).

As long as the middle part does not have even less Batman and even more footage of Bruce breaking his back I'm in.

 

[Snow Queen]

As long as the middle part does not have even less Batman and even more footage of Bruce breaking his back I'm in.

Maybe it's just me but I couldn't care less about whether or not he's wearing the costume. It's the character that's important, not whether he's wearing a three button suit or a batsuit. He has to be in for some time, of course, but I like watching the character and don't really care how much time is spent in costume.

 

[shauner111]

I feel the same way. As long as the scenes are awesome when he actually is Batman, I don't care how many times he appears. If there's less batman, I want that time to be spent on a good amount of Bruce Wayne...and that's how they handled it in both Begins and Rises.

I prefer 1 film, even if it was 3 and a half hours, I would have loved that more than two parts. 2 parters are stupid and a dumb cash grab. It ruins the flow.

 

[Doctor Who]

Morgan Freeman on the new Batman



http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/08/26/morgan-freeman-ben-affleck-batman/2701291/

I can understand that sentiment: it feels like it's VERY soon for a new Batman with TDKR only being a year old. He did work with Affleck in Gone Baby Gone however, so I like to think he has Freeman's best wishes.

And after Gone Baby Gone, The Town, and Argo: it's safe to say Ben is on top of the world right now. I think he'll make an outstanding Batman.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I can't take credit for this observation (and it's probably been made in here before) but I thought this was interesting. In every Nolan bat film, the movie begins with the main villain disguised as one of his henchmen and a conversation taking place about that villain.

 

[the last son]

Just watching clips on youtube I don't really like bane being a member of LOS. Small world huh?

 

[rashad]

Very.

 

[Brother Jack]

I prefer 1 film, even if it was 3 and a half hours, I would have loved that more than two parts. 2 parters are stupid and a dumb cash grab. It ruins the flow.

I completely agree, but Rises is very halved in its narrative structure with essentially two instances of Bruce reeling from a defeat and returning as Batman. Both of these have dueling scenarios like the two Bane fights, one where Batman loses and one where he wins, the two kisses with Selina which both have different connotations, and two instances of Bruce figuratively rising from the dead when he escapes the pit and the end of the film where he has escaped with Selina to Florence. The two halves are mirrors of each other while still working within a three-act storytelling structure.

 

[Green Goblin]

If I were you I'd have the admins change my user name since you have yours name after a line in a movie you clearly can't stand lol

Wait... you can change your name? How do I do that?

 

[The Joker]

Wait... you can change your name? How do I do that?

Send a PM to one of the admins, like Hunter Rider, and ask for what ever name change you want.