The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - Part 151

[DrexBat21]

Did Batman's 1st comeback after 8 years help or make things worse? Would the cops have focused more on catching the "robbers" instead of chasing Dent's "murderer?" Did Bane know that Batman would return that night of the stock exchange?
If so, I feel that this takes away from Batman's return and the first use of "The Bat." Cause the next day he would be bankrupt and without Alfred.

 

[shauner111]

Your Avatar is so distracting. I keep thinking it's the poster the Joker. Don't change it though, I will just get use to it, lol.

But yeah, I'm torn between the interrogation room scene and the final scene with Batman, Two-Face and Gordon at the end of TDK. Both of those scenes were just balls out and totally unconventional for a comicbook film, especially the latter.

I might change it soon, it was just the first time i saw that pic so i had to grab it.

Both glorious scenes.

Snap. It's still as incredible to me as it was back in July 2008.

Did Batman's 1st comeback after 8 years help or make things worse? Would the cops have focused more on catching the "robbers" instead of chasing Dent's "murderer?" Did Bane know that Batman would return that night of the stock exchange?
If so, I feel that this takes away from Batman's return and the first use of "The Bat." Cause the next day he would be bankrupt and without Alfred.

There was no way Bane was going to get caught anyway. Did Bane know? Not for sure. But i'd guess that he thought there was a 50/50 chance.

How does it take away exactly?

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

And this is some of the greatest cinematography I've seen in any film. It's just eerie.

 

[AnneFan]

I just love the lighting in that scene. The contrast of black to Joker's white face. It's just eerie.

It is so brilliant. I remember thinking how uneasy I'd feel if I were Gordon, sitting in the dark with Joker. But I guess he knew Batman was standing behind the clown. t:

Did Batman's 1st comeback after 8 years help or make things worse? Would the cops have focused more on catching the "robbers" instead of chasing Dent's "murderer?"

Depends, but it comes largely down to Foley. He wanted Batman's scalp added to his resume to big-note himself. Like Batman in TDK underestimating Joker - "one man or the entire mob?", Foley didn't really rate Bane's attack at the stock exchange. He thought he was just a bank robber. Batman out and about was extremely rare, and Foley's eyes lit up.

Did Bane know that Batman would return that night of the stock exchange?

It's presented as a welcome co-incidence for Bane. "After eight years he has to pick tonight."

 

[JackWhite]

Jack, you've joined the Joker avatar brigade



Snap. It's still as incredible to me as it was back in July 2008.

That I have brother. That I have.

 

[The Joker]

It is so brilliant. I remember thinking how uneasy I'd feel if I were Gordon, sitting in the dark with Joker. But I guess he knew Batman was standing behind the clown. t:

Lol yeah even with Batman behind him and Joker in handcuffs, it would still give me a chill having the clown glaring at me from across the table like that in the dark.

That I have brother. That I have.

Welcome to the dark side

 

[shauner111]

And clowns already creep me out.

 

[The Shape]

The interrogation scene is pretty much perfect in every way. I only wish Batman's cowl looked better when he was seated across from the Joker.

 

[AnneFan]

Been listening to TDK Trilogy complete scores of late, and this really is my favourite sound for Batman bar none. Zimmer really comes alive with the dark material. The 'A Dark Knight' suite is still my pick of the bunch as best Batman cue. Optimistic, dark, reflective, tense and defiant. It has it all.

 

[shauner111]

I wonder what Zimmers gonna pull out of his ass for Snyder's Batman. I'll take a guess and say he'll add dark but epic soundscapes to the score whenever Batman's on screen but he wont go as in depth. It'll be very minimal and he'll concentrate on Superman having the big themes. I can see him or another composer creating a big theme for Justice League though.

Zimmers work for the trilogy is what i think of now when i think of Batman. It's just perfect to me. Elfman was great because he brought a dark but fun theme song to the table. Mysterious but cartoony and playful. It fit. But i prefer to think of Batman in a different way. Having a theme song just feels more like Superman to me or a lighter hero. I think Batman is so dark and troubled but so dynamic, moody. A single theme song doesn't quite capture it all. It couldn't. So i love how Hans went for several themes, soundscapes, different instrumentation and moods.

 

[georgec]

The TDKT soundtrack has some great, pulsating themes that work really well in the film and as standalone listening. A couple favorites:

TDK - Introduce a Little Anarchy
That theme at 1:05...amazing. I thought we might hear it again in TDKR, but I don't think we did.
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TDKR - Imagine the Fire
The music at 1:24 is reworked from BB, if I'm not mistaken, but I just freaking love it here. Then 1:54...epic. Love that moment in the movie when Batman's being chased by the cops.
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TDKR - No Stone Unturned
From the climax of the film, although edited in spots. The first four minutes are amazing. The music from chasing down the bomb gets me pumped up every time. When the cops blow up the bridge at 1:55, and we cut to Lucius telling Batman he has 10 minutes left...the music is perfect, heightening the stakes and tension. Haven't been many other moments in movies where I really felt that "time is of the essence" to such a degree, even if we know Batman's going to save the day.
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Of course I love the BB soundtrack as well. That might be the best overall soundtrack in the trilogy, and it definitely laid the groundwork for the recurring themes in TDK and TDKR.

 

[JackWhite]

It's all about that piano motif from BB/TDK. It showed up during Bruce and Alfred's scene in the cave in TDKR. I just love how tragic and contemplative it sounds.

I love how there isn't just one Batman theme; there's like 4 or 5. Not to mention the absolutely bad ass villain suites too.

 

[shauner111]

Agree!

"Why Do We Fall" is one of my favorites.

and "Imagine The Fire" from 4:00 to 5:20 soooo epic.

There's so many subtle piano moments and sounds from the Begins OST that just make me feel so much emotion.

 

[JackWhite]

Speaking of "Why Do We Fall?" I love how the main part that starts in that song is slightly more uplifting and optimistic to the version on "On Thin Ice". Very subtle difference; I love that.

You know, I think I would have preferred "Imagine The Fire" to play during Batman and Bane's final showdown. I really wish that song could have been in the film at some point. I know there is a slight variation of it during the film, though.

 

[antsman41]

I love the repetition of the suite JNH wrote playing after the Wayne funeral and then after Rachel dies...

 

[AnneFan]

You know, I think I would have preferred "Imagine The Fire" to play during Batman and Bane's final showdown. I really wish that song could have been in the film at some point. I know there is a slight variation of it during the film, though.

I think the final showdown cue in the film suits - 'All Out War' in the complete scoring sessions. It's Bane centric, but also coated in doom for both characters. Batman is losing the fight for the most part, and we think "here we go again." And when Bane starts to lose, it turns back onto him. His theme becomes more desperate/tense as it wears on.

I love that final fight, no matter how short it may be. Batman comes back stronger but Bane's threat isn't diminished. He's presented as a tough physical foe throughout the film. His defeat, ala the comics, lies in attacking his equipment. Batman may have been at the mercy of Bane moments later, but kicking him through the doors felt so rewarding and earned.

 

[JackWhite]

You make some good points there, Annefan. When the soundtrack leaked before the film came out, I remember listening to the first minute or so of "Imagine The Fire" and envisioned it playing during the final battle with Batman fighting all the mercenaries trying to find Bane in the crowd.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, I did too. It's still my favorite cue on the score and one of my favorite Zimmer cues in general.

But I do love All Out War in that scene for the reasons AnneFan pointed out. I love when the key changes after Batman gets the upper hand, it really accentuates that perfectly.

Imagine the Fire as a track is just a great musical summation of the whole movie and my favorite to listen to in the car/at the gym/etc.

Also, shameless plug for my rock/metal TDKR score cover in my sig below, which features excerpts from Imagine The Fire.

 

[The Shape]

I love Bale's grunting and roaring in the final fight.

 

[JackWhite]

Just stumbled upon this fan-fic. Pretty dark and disturbing story, even by Batman standards, lol.

http://moonheadpress.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-deal.html?spref=fb&m=1&m=1

 

[BatLobster]

Yup, saw that one last year. Pretty dark indeed.

 

[shauner111]

My god that was disturbing as ****. Loved it.

 

[Victarion]

I think the final showdown cue in the film suits - 'All Out War' in the complete scoring sessions. It's Bane centric, but also coated in doom for both characters. Batman is losing the fight for the most part, and we think "here we go again." And when Bane starts to lose, it turns back onto him. His theme becomes more desperate/tense as it wears on.

I love that final fight, no matter how short it may be. Batman comes back stronger but Bane's threat isn't diminished. He's presented as a tough physical foe throughout the film. . Batman may have been at the mercy of Bane moments later, but kicking him through the doors felt so rewarding and His defeat, ala the comics, lies in attacking his equipmentearned.

I like how Nolan kind of inverted that little weakness to an extent. Break Bane's mask and suddenly he's driving his fists through concrete pillars.

 

[The Joker]

Just stumbled upon this fan-fic. Pretty dark and disturbing story, even by Batman standards, lol.

http://moonheadpress.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-deal.html?spref=fb&m=1&m=1

Oh my god how have I never seen this before. Amazing

 

[JackWhite]

Yeah, I sent it to a few buddies of mine to see what they think. And to think Batman still doesn't break his one rule; even with Alfred being chopped up into pieces and placed into a box. Really amazing work.