The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - Part 151

[The Joker]

And poor Gordon and Robin copped it, too. That is Robin's severed arm Joker is holding up like a trophy isn't it lol?

 

[JackWhite]

And poor Gordon and Robin copped it, too. That is Robin's severed arm Joker is holding up like a trophy isn't it lol?

Yeah no doubt it's Robin's limb there. When I saw that I'm like damn, Joker got everyone extremely close to Bruce, lol. I'm surprised he didn't straight up corpse rob Bruce's parents grave!

 

[shauner111]

Not sure if this was posted. Haven't seen these exact quotes before.

http://screenrant.com/best-batman-movie-version-comic-book-writers/

 

[The Joker]

Not sure if this was posted. Haven't seen these exact quotes before.

http://screenrant.com/best-batman-movie-version-comic-book-writers/

That's awesome. I've seen those guys praise Nolan's movies before, but it's nice to see it reiterated. Although Adams sounds lukewarm on TDKR, saying it's not exactly Batman.

I met Alan Grant, another famous Batman writer and one of my all time favorites, at Dublin Comic Con two weeks ago, and I asked him what did he think of the Batman movies. He said he doesn't really like any of them as Batman movies, just bits of them, because he felt none of them really fit his vision of Batman. He did say some of them were great movies though, like Nolan's.

 

[shauner111]

It wasn't Snyder it was Neal Adams.

Love that guy. Hilarious dude. I saw an interview with him where he explains why he didn't care for MOS and a little more on Rises. He said it was a good movie and the only reason why he said it wasn't as good as Begins or Knight was that he felt it was a little too dark. His biggest problems have more to do with the visual i think, like the suits. Which is to be expected because he has his own artistic vision of how Batman should be.

Morrison and O'Neill really praised Nolan though. Not even gonna mention Alan Moore or Frank Miller since they're the two grumpiest men in the business. They walk out of Batman movies, even Nolans because they're not doing exactly what they would do. Miller mainly. He doesnt get the concept of a director taking influence from the comics, thinks Nolan owns TDK title now and that he doesn't understand those movies. "It's not batman to me". Well i love Franks work in the 80s but he's a doofus. Returns is seen by many as an extreme, left field, almost experimental direction when it comes to the characterization. I love it, but he didnt create dark Batman, he just took it to the extreme. If the directors don't do HIS batman, then it's not batman and it's worth walking out on every Burton and Nolan movie? I mean that's immature. I bet he'll love Snyders though, because he talked to Frank and is probably making sure they do HIS batman.

 

[The Joker]

Miller directed The Spirit, one of the worst comic book movies ever. It's funny to see him dictating about what are good comic book adaptions.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah have you read his interview from like a week ago, where he dissed all the batman movies? I had a good laugh. He has that attitude, like Steve Englehart (i think it was him?) where it's as if they feel their batman is the be-all end-all and if anyone takes inspiration then it's a rip-off. Or it's a crime to change something and so they get all disgusted and walk out. I guess Alan Moore has that problem too after reading what he said about Watchmen and V For Vendetta. But i kinda understand his point since they're adaptations. Nolans weren't. Bat-directors cherry pick from the source material.

 

[JackWhite]

Not sure where Miller gets off saying Nolan thinks he owns the "Dark Knight" title. I mean, really? I would expect most of the Batman writers to like Begins and TDK and be a little wishy washy on Rises.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah I read that Miller interview. I think a certain Dark Knight Returns writer is just jelly because someone else's Batman product with Dark Knight in the title has eclipsed his in popularity and iconic status.

 

[The Batman]

Miller didnt even come up with the "Dark Knight" nickname anyway.

 

[BatLobster]

Cool, never saw that. Thanks for sharing shauner.

Denny had some really nice words, and it was cool to see Morrison be so kind to the trilogy. Was never 100% sure where he stood on it.

I never knew Miller went sour on the Nolan movies. I recall him liking Batman Begins a great deal. That might've been before he totally flipped his lid though.

 

[Travesty]

Alan Moore has never seen Watchmen. He said he'll never watch it, after what they did to both League and V. But I feel like he has a bit more of a right to do that with those properties, as he was the original creator of those. The thing with Miller and Batman is silly, as he doesn't own the character, nor was he even close to being the original creator.

 

[shauner111]

Alan Moore has never seen Watchmen. He said he'll never watch it, after what they did to both League and V. But I feel like he has a bit more of a right to do that with those properties, as he was the original creator of those. The thing with Miller and Batman is silly, as he doesn't own the character, nor was he even close to being the original creator.

Yeah exactly, i would be alright with it if a director did an adaptation of Year One or Dark Knight Returns, using the titles and marketing it as "based on the legendary Frank Miller graphic novel" or something like that.

 

[The Joker]

I never knew Miller went sour on the Nolan movies. I recall him liking Batman Begins a great deal. That might've been before he totally flipped his lid though.

Batman Begins doesn't have Dark Knight in the title. Miller acts like anything titled Dark Knight is a rip off of his work.

 

[BatLobster]

That's so bizarre, but that's Miller haha. Then you have Steve Englehart who claims TDK is a ripoff of his Dark Detective work.

To be honest, I can understand why some writers get bitter about this kind of stuff. They introduce ideas into the mythos, but see no royalties when their contributions get mined for movies.

I think that's a fair price to pay for getting to work on such an iconic pop icon though.

 

[BlueLightning]

I think it was Bill Finger who coined the Dark Knight nickname.

 

[The Joker]

It sure wasn't Miller that's for sure.

I don't think anyone would want to rip off Englehart's Dark Detective story. It was bad. Really disappointing comeback by him. Came out around the time Batman Begins did. It was a sloppy mish mash of Joker, Two Face Scarecrow, with Silver St Cloud's very underwhelming return.

 

[shauner111]

Englehart is the worst. Talk about a guy who doesn't understand that movies are based off of source material sometimes

Funny how the two most iconic dudes in Batmans history (IMO), who are still alive, Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil...are the most down to earth, open-minded gentleman.

 

[The Joker]

Ooooh Shauner, slick new avvy. Gives me chills.

Englehart was a one hit wonder. I love his brief run on Detective in the 70's. One of the best Batman eras of the comics. Bar none. But that's his only claim to fame with Batman. Eleven or so issues, brilliant as they are. Adams and O'Neil are much bigger contributors to the Batman lore.

 

[DX]

Batman Begins doesn't have Dark Knight in the title. Miller acts like anything titled Dark Knight is a rip off of his work.

It's pretty much been established by now that Frank Miller has basically become a walking punchline, lol.

 

[shauner111]

I knew you would like that one Joker!

Englehart did classic stuff but yeah it was brief. Same with Miller. Year One, Dark Knight Returns. Of course they're arguably the two most iconic Batman graphic novels of all-time. But they're two books and so he has no right to act like the God of all things Batman. He doesn't own anything.

To me, O'Neil is the man.

 

[shauner111]

It's pretty much been established by now that Frank Miller has basically become a walking punchline, lol.

Not to mention he looks like he's been bit by a walker and is slowly going through the transformation process between human being and zombie.

 

[DX]

Not to mention he looks like he's been bit by a walker and is slowly going through the transformation process between human being and zombie.

Yeah, he looks ROUGH these days. Is he ill?

 

[shauner111]

Mentally for sure, not sure about physically. Definitely bit by a walker. He's just too stubborn to let himself become a zombie over night, Frank looks like he's been fighting that s**t for years. One day....one day..

 

[JackWhite]

British actor Tom, who starred in The Dark Knight Rises as the villainous Bane, presented with an official Guinness World Records certificate, certifying that the super hero movie holds the current title for Highest box office film gross (2D) - opening weekend.

Co-starring Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne, the film grossed $160,887,295 (£103.9 million) during its opening weekend of 20–22 July 2012.

The star said: "I am absolutely delighted to be presented with this certificate and am happy to accept it on behalf of everyone who worked on the Dark Knight Rises".

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com...-begin-drum-marathon-attempt-in-london-57032/

I love Hardy, but I'm kind of lost on why Bale didn't receive this? They make it seem like Hardy got top billing. Either way, nice one for TDKR.