The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - Part 151

[The Joker]

Congrats TDKR

 

[shauner111]

Wow that's cool!

 

[DX]

Definitely deserves it. Congrats TDKR!

Damn, now I wanna watch it again lol

 

[titansupes]

Awesome.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I love Hardy, but I'm kind of lost on why Bale didn't receive this? They make it seem like Hardy got top billing. Either way, nice one for TDKR.

This isn't Bale's kind of thing... He only does publicity when he really has to.

 

[Agent Orange]

Not sure if this was posted. Haven't seen these exact quotes before.

http://screenrant.com/best-batman-movie-version-comic-book-writers/

Good... god... those comments under the article are painful. Comic book "fan boys" are the worst. Never happy; always *****ing. I don't know where this "Batman has no place in a realistic world" BS came from but it needs to stop. Comics and film are completely different mediums.

Those idiots deserve Schumacher and Batman & Robin.

 

[Kane52630]

Why give them that treat of a film?

 

[Agent Orange]

Why give them that treat of a film?

I'd like to send all of those fans to the coolah.

 

[Travesty]

Batman has no place in a realistic world.

 

[shauner111]

Batman has no place in a world with monsters and aliens. There, i said it yo.

 

[The Joker]

Nolan's movies were not set in a realistic world.

 

[shauner111]

But to be serious..

I personally don't mind seeing Batman in a world with monsters and aliens because superhero team-ups are inevitable at some point, and so it's fun to see your favorite heroes team-up. But i just treat it as a slightly experimental cross-over, where the human being (with no powers) of the Justice League is thrown into sci-fi territory. It's not something i need to see but im open-minded to it once in a while if it's done with taste.

The monsters bit. The fantastical characters in Gotham? Well, i prefer my Batman in a world with just gangsters, muggers, theatrical psychopaths, thieves. But Batman is such a dark character that it's easy to treat him like a Dracula and build his city around creatures & other horror elements. It's easy to do that just like it's easy to turn everything into pure camp when you have a little kid sidekick. Batman adapts to different genres.

But at the end of the day, i could easily take the stance of "Batman should be in a more realistic world". He's human. Other essential characters are human like Alfred and Gordon. Gangsters, nutcases, muggers...like i said...have had a history of being the most important enemies to cross Batman's path. And Gotham more times than none, has been depicted as a pretty normal looking city. Not a pretty one mind you, but certainly not a fairytale.

And yeah Joker, not realistic. Heightened reality. "Blockbuster movie reality".

 

[Agent Orange]

People took Nolan's "realism" comment(s) and ran with them well past the realm of hyperbole.

Veering off course here, but I can't picture the Batman from Batman: The Animated Series interacting with a Superman and monsters & aliens... but he does eventually after the animation/character design changes. I have an easier time picturing Bale/Batman interacting with Cavill/Superman.

 

[Agent Orange]

Nolan's movies were not set in a realistic world.

Bingo. The "realism" was just window dressing. People stretched Nolan's comments.

 

[Travesty]

I'm pretty sure Nolan would've made some pretty realistic monsters and aliens.

 

[shauner111]

People took Nolan's "realism" comment(s) and ran with them well past the realm of hyperbole.

Veering off course here, but I can't picture the Batman from Batman: The Animated Series interacting with a Superman and monsters & aliens... but he does eventually after the animation/character design changes. I have an easier time picturing Bale/Batman interacting with Cavill/Superman.

Really?

I dont see it that way. He talks pretty normal to enemies, to allies. And that's how he should converse with the Justice League. Bale's Batman was all about expression, his rage, therapy. So it was never about having a conversation with a person when he was in batman mode. It also would have been hilarious to hear him yelling at Superman. I would have loved it so much, laughing my ass off in the process. But it's just not fitting. When i think of Batman talking to Supes or Wondy i think of a more regular voice like Conroys. His Batman was friendlier. Nolan's wouldn't even share his crusade with a sidekick nevermind a whole team!

Then you have Man-Bat, Freeze, etc. If you have that in Gotham why not introduce super-powered heroes and their villains? It's a logical next step. B:TAS fit like a glove with JLA. Bale's Batman? Not so much.

 

[shauner111]

I'm pretty sure Nolan would've made some pretty realistic monsters and aliens.

Stahp trolling. Staaaahhhp.

 

[Travesty]

 

[shauner111]

 

[Agent Orange]

Really?

I dont see it that way. He talks pretty normal to enemies, to allies. And that's how he should converse with the Justice League. Bale's Batman was all about expression, his rage, therapy. So it was never about having a conversation with a person when he was in batman mode. It also would have been hilarious to hear him yelling at Superman. I would have loved it so much, laughing my ass off in the process. But it's just not fitting. When i think of Batman talking to Supes or Wondy i think of a more regular voice like Conroys. His Batman was friendlier. Nolan's wouldn't even share his crusade with a sidekick nevermind a whole team!

Then you have Man-Bat, Freeze, etc. If you have that in Gotham why not introduce super-powered heroes and their villains? It's a logical next step. B:TAS fit like a glove with JLA. Bale's Batman? Not so much.

The original incarnation of the animated series was so dark, so grimy.. so film noir. Superman is such a colourful character (figuratively and literally) I just have have a hard time picturing him in the first incarnation of the DC animated universe. That was a uniquely "Batman" world for a seminal take on the character and his rogues gallery.

 

[shauner111]

Early on, i can see what you're saying. But still, you had Man-Bat, Freeze. It's not far off when they're including sci-fi, horror. As dark and grimy as it was, it wasn't as limited as Nolans trilogy.

 

[Travesty]

...Clayface.

 

[Agent Orange]

If Nolan wanted to (IMO) he could have veered left and did all kinds of crazy things after Batman Begins. The original animated series had cop-centric, noirish episodes one week and HARDAC sci-fi episodes the next.

 

[shauner111]

He could have. But that's not what he intended to do from the beginning. He was only interested in keeping it as grounded as he possibly knew how to. If the sequel featured another director, i think they could have easily threw in a Man-Bat. Im glad they didnt.

I loved Nolans direction throughout the trilogy. It was more crime drama. Now we can add more sci-fi, alien elements to this new one. And maybe more horror with the one after.

 

[Agent Orange]

He could have. But that's not what he intended to do from the beginning. He was only interested in keeping it as grounded as he possibly knew how to. If the sequel featured another director, i think they could have easily threw in a Man-Bat. Im glad they didnt.

I loved Nolans direction throughout the trilogy. It was more crime drama. Now we can add more sci-fi, alien elements to this new one. And maybe more horror with the one after.

I agree. I'm glad that Nolan kept the tone consistent. That takes some level of restraint. Something that Warner Bros. didn't have with the 90's Schumacher/Burton movies.

On the other side of the coin, DC and Warner Bros. seem obsessed with keeping the grounded tone established by Nolan. It's too bad because DC's cosmic universe is arguably nuttier than Marvel's. This... "No jokes" rumour that I read today is disturbing as well. I get that they want to differentiate themselves from the Marvel product but they're handicapping their writers/directors. What Nolan did was his vision for that specific universe -- they need to let it go.