The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - Part 154

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Came upon this little gem in the FF boards. This guy put the changes done to the Mandarin on the same level as the changes to Ledger's Joker.


http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32034661&postcount=275

Don't forget that there is a very strong argument that Marvel actually did stay fairly true to the core of the character: the Mandarin is still a hyper-macho fantasy who used abuse of resources to turn himself into a living weapon, and sought to profit from exploiting war in the larger world. They just changed things like the exact nature of his power source, and his race. Which is to say, the Mandarin is about as faithful to the source material as the Heath Ledger Joker is to his.
 
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At least its not as bad as threads in the BvS or Spider-Man sections.
 
All because one person said they found a celeb's opinion ignorant

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Well Olsen is wrong, problem is they've been re-doing Catwoman BEFORE Pfeieffer.
 
To expand on my thought last night, I'll post this here as well:

It's very possible that some people (such as Olsen) are not that into comic book movies or Batman as a whole. For them, they become attached to what they know from their childhood and have no desire to appreciate/follow what has come after.

For people of a certain age, it's all about Julie Newmar and that's fantastic. I thought she was wonderful and certainly set the precedent. While she's not my Catwoman, I can appreciate what she brought to the character and the nuances of her performance.

For others, it may be Hathaway. I personally don't think Nolan did her any favours, but she worked for some people.

Each interpretation is valid but anyone has the right to choose a favorite and discard the rest based on taste/nostalgia.
 
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Pfeiffer's version is valid, and we're allowed to have an attachment to the Burton movies. Some of us were little kids when they came out and so it was the first Batman, Joker and Catwoman that we got to see. I dont mind the idea that Olsen thinks Pfeiffer is her favorite or the best. It's how she said it. It was a lighthearted moment, but she says it like she doesn't know why they keep remaking Catwoman because in her eyes, Pfeiffer is the one and only Catwoman. She can't be improved and shouldn't be remade after Michelle. That's the vibe Olsen had. Not just "oh i find Pfeiffer's interpretation to be the greatest one". It's that snarky attitude that made me roll my eyes instead of just having fun with it.

She should know anyway, from being with Marvel, that reboots happen and sometimes the new version is an improvement.

I can appreciate people liking Newmar too, even though that's not my thing. Hathaway, in my eyes, was Selina Kyle, more than Michelle ever was. Not just in appearance. Sometimes Michelle was sexier or crazier or had a better suit that looked more like the comics for some people (or sl***ier i should say, and being a crazy with 9 lives was never a Selina thing). But i care a little more about character and so when somebody says "Catwoman", i think Selina, and Anne was more Catwoman than Pfeiffer. I dont go around saying that Hathaway should be the last one to be the character because i thought she was the best.
 
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Always trying to have the last say on things.

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Well it's not Selina Kyle, it's just Catwoman-INO.
 
It's still garbage. I hate when people say every interpretation or opinion is valid. It's such a suck-up thing to say. You can find an opinion stupid or wrong, that's real life. Music, film, political views, etc.

Maybe im taking it too seriously, but that's what we do in this forum. Everybody is guilty of dissecting stupid crap just out of boredom or for the sake of dissecting something.

And no, im not trying to get the last word. I just felt inspired to write something after that post. It wouldn't be so bad if i had the last word on this though, since i started it.
 
Well it's not Selina Kyle, it's just Catwoman-INO.

Being Selina Kyle or not doesn't make a difference. She was still playing Catwoman. I mean I could say Schumacher's Bane was valid just because he was actually Bane. But I don't think anyone would call that abomination a valid interpretation of Bane.

It's still garbage. I hate when people say every interpretation or opinion is valid. It's such a suck-up thing to say. You can find an opinion stupid or wrong, that's real life. Music, film, political views, etc.

It also depends on what your definition of valid is.
 
Sometimes Michelle was sexier or crazier or had a better suit that looked more like the comics for some people (or sl***ier i should say, and being a crazy with 9 lives was never a Selina thing

How was Michelle sl***ier than Anne's Catwoman? As I recall it was Anne that took off with the congressman and kept him company for a while. It is logical to assume that to keep a man like him secluded for so relatively long and to make him visibly love sick (call me?) she had to do 'favors' for him.

Anne's actions would fall under that stupid term (I don't endorse it) than anything Michelle did.
 
Being Selina Kyle or not doesn't make a difference. She was still playing Catwoman. I mean I could say Schumacher's Bane was valid just because he was actually Bane. But I don't think anyone would call that abomination a valid interpretation of Bane.

The only thing holding on to Catwoman was the name. There was no reference or any character from DC Comics unless if you're count the two seconds of a photo of Pfeiffer's Catwoman. Otherwise, there's no connection whatsoever. Bane however is far more valid interpretation than Barry's Catwoman because it's set among other DC characters.
 
How was Michelle sl***ier than Anne's Catwoman? As I recall it was Anne that took off with the congressman and kept him company for a while. It is logical to assume that to keep a man like him secluded for so relatively long and to make him visibly love sick (call me?) she had to do 'favors' for him.

Anne's actions would fall under that stupid term (I don't endorse it) than anything Michelle did.
I mean as Catwoman, in the suit. Michelle was acting like she was always the horniest girl in the city. Which is fine for Catwoman, but it's not needed in every scene. Also, Selina can be sexy without coming off like she wants the D every second of the day.

Anne's Selina had some of that too, but they made it more subtle. She felt like a real person. She was probably running a little escort service with Jen/Holly too. But she didn't have to be talking like she was about to bust any second lol.
 
The only thing holding on to Catwoman was the name. There was no reference or any character from DC Comics unless if you're count the two seconds of a photo of Pfeiffer's Catwoman. Otherwise, there's no connection whatsoever. Bane however is far more valid interpretation than Barry's Catwoman because it's set among other DC characters.

Again irrelevant. She was still based on the DC Catwoman character. That's the character she was playing. Saying she wasn't Selina Kyle, or not referenced to any other DC character doesn't make an iota of a difference. That's just the source material changes they made to her just like all movies do with characters, only this one was one of the worst. The whole movie was marketed on the fan base for Batman/Catwoman fans. A name change doesn't mean this was not supposed to be seen as anyone other than Catwoman.

Saying Bane was less crappy than Berry's Catwoman doesn't make him any more valid than she is.
 
If Bane is valid in B & R, then everything in film is valid. Everything.
 
Have you played Arkham City? Every single word that came out of her mouth was an innuendo. Definitely the most sexually expressive catwoman ever.

Glad they eliminated it in Knight. She is tolerable in that game. Not to mention she looks a lot better.

Also, Selina can be sexy without coming off like she wants the D every second of the day.

A lot of that was deception. Burton's Selina pre-transformation was a meek woman who has seen intimidation and abuse by her male superiors her entire adult life. She was perfectly aware of how much thought (or how little) goes on in their heads.

As Catwoman, she projected the fantasy of what men wanted. And when she lured them in, all that awaited them was a swift kick in the balls.
 
Have you played Arkham City? Every single word that came out of her mouth was an innuendo. Definitely the most sexually expressive catwoman ever.

Not to mention some of her attack moves involved her kissing thugs before she took them down. Her boobs were also practically hanging out of her costume. But that's actually a common thing with Rocksteady designed female characters.
 
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