The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - Part 154

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The Joker said:
I didn't know what to make of the chant. I remember some people thought Deacon Blackfire and his cult were going to be in it.
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I believe this predated the chant. I do remember those rumors though. Good times. Deacon Blackfire, Killer Croc and Talia were the villains I remember hearing about. Aside from The Riddler.

The chant and the general tone of Imagine the Fire are my favorite pieces of Hans's work. I've found them to be a nice soundtrack to sequences in Dust of Dreams and The Crippled God. DoD especially, since there's many allusions to something like Bane's siege of Gotham. You know, inhuman things that believe they're the great and final arbiters of mankind and all that. Also in The Dark Defiles, where the hero pulls a Bane and frees a bunch of vicious criminals to form a makeshift army.

I also like that Joker score from when he crashed the party. That clattering followed by the drawn out shriek/dragging sound.
 
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BatLobsterRises said:
I will say, the use of the chant in the marketing was pretty ingenious. It was mysterious and menacing made you want to know more, but got you pumped at the same time. And it made it all the sweeter when it got its ultimate payoff in the movie during the climb.
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I love the chant. In fact, it's one of the first things I break out into when playing a Batman game for some reason. :funny:
 
I'm doing a TDKT marathon at the moment and I noticed the oddest coincidence on the blu-rays of Begins and Dark Knight. Both, at least my copies as I'm not sure if it's the same for everyone's, have glitches where blocks of colours appear over similar shots. In Begins it's Bruce in the car informing Earle that he bought most of the shares and appears over the rubber dividing the window (the word, if there is one, is escaping me at the moment). And in The Dark Knight, it's when Two Face is in the car with Maroni over a similar strip of rubber on the window. Just an odd coincidence, I thought.
 
Sure, the Nolan Bane didn't escape prison himself, and he found out about the Dent lie from second hand information. But I'm reappraising the character and I still like what we received. He's strong and intimidating (easily breaking out of handcuffs, killing goons with look-away throat crushings and snapping necks). He was never shown to have a physical superior in the film. Batman is a lot more resilient in the second encounter, but he's still bested in terms of pure combat, save for Bane's mask being damaged.

Bane's plan is definitely the largest in scale from any Batman movie. Trapping the police underground, freeing and arming prisoners, cutting Gotham off from the mainland and having a nuclear weapon as leverage. Also conducting show trials - people walking the ice. And special forces being hung from bridges. It's pretty bleak stuff.

I'm glad Bane was chosen as the villain, too. I think the Joker and Bane are the kings of their respective fields - chaos and control. Joker had people freaking out at the sheer random, unpredictability of his crimes. Bane had people like Foley locked up in their homes, isolated and under the thumb.
 
I'm enjoying your newfound appreciation for Rises, AnneFan. :woot: :up:
 
Thanks. I've got this too:

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Bruce Wayne: We need to send these people away now.
Alfred Pennyworth: Those are Bruce Wayne's guests out there, sir. You have a name to maintain.
Bruce Wayne: I don't care about my name.
Alfred Pennyworth: It's not just your name, sir! It's your father's name! And it's all that's left of him. Don't destroy it.
 
Ok, so I had the TDK trilogy marathon 2 days ago, at the BFI IMAX in London.

Wow! Had a blast with Rises! It's my favorite in the trilogy and it proved again why.
Bane, the IMAX scenes, the whole battle at the end, the final 5 minutes of the movie, the climb from the pit, Bale's performance, Zimmer's music, Catwoman I just love everything about it. Sure, many people will disagree with me, but I always find Rises to be superior than TDK. Joker is what makes TDK amazing, but it's everything else in Rises, IMO. That doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy TDK as well. It is almost as good as Rises, it's just that the final movie takes it to a new level.

Only weird thing about Rises was changing the Gotham setting from Chicago to New York. It's one of the things that makes the movie...very different in atmosphere.
 
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I, too, love Rises and wish I could see it again in IMAX. Glad you enjoyed the trilogy marathon.

I disagree, though, that The Joker is what made TDK amazing. There are MANY things that make TDK amazing, with The Joker being one of them.
 
theShape said:
I, too, love Rises and wish I could see it again in IMAX. Glad you enjoyed the trilogy marathon.

I disagree, though, that The Joker is what made TDK amazing. There are MANY things that make TDK amazing, with The Joker being one of them.
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Hear hear :up:
 
How did they explain the death of Bruce Wayne in the movie?
I'll have to watch the movie again.
 
They didn't and didn't need to because all of the rich were snatched up and sent to walk the ice.
 
Yeah I always assumed Bruce's death would be counted among the numerous rich people killed during the siege. Cops and rich folk were specifically targeted.
 
I agree. When his car is being towed, someone asks "how's it feel to be one of the people?" It's possible he was lumped into the same category as everyone else. Not that special anymore, with everyone else suffering the same situation regardless of their past fortune or public standing. For all intents and purposes, the memory of Batman endures and Bruce Wayne falls into the background.
 
Plus, the last time he was seen was being taken "to Bane" by Catwoman.
 
"As a man, I'm flesh and blood...I can be ignored, I can be destroyed".

That's pretty much happens as Bruce gets lumped in with the rest of the rich and affluent in Rises. Plus, he loses his money and his company, which means he loses his relevance in society even before the revolution happens. Bruce Wayne is pretty much reduced to nothing over the course of the movie.

Anyway, it's not like any real reliable public records were being taken during the siege. There would be a lot of unaccounted for people and assumed dead.
 
Hundreds, if not thousands, of people would have died during those months anyway.

I wonder if some viewers needed a title card or scene that explicitly explained how/why Bruce Wayne was assumed dead after the siege?
 
AnneFan said:
This little one here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D04HbhfEAC8

I like how it reverses the earlier scene in the movie where Catwoman takes Batman to Bane, as requested, but sells him out. Here she lies about taking Bruce to Bane and instead saves him.
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It's been a while since I last saw the movie so I'm not clear on some of the details. I thought he was already dead for the rest of Gotham.
I agree about the antithesis. Never thought about it that way. It's a nice touch indeed.
 
theShape said:
Hundreds, if not thousands, of people would have died during those months anyway.

I wonder if some viewers needed a title card or scene that explicitly explained how/why Bruce Wayne was assumed dead after the siege?
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Also, this wasn't even the first time Bruce had been declared dead in the Nolanverse. And there was much more reason to believe he was truly dead the second time around.
 
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