The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[Tacit Ronin]

This is why the new Star Wars film looks so good. JJ wisely kept CGI where it should be and kept the locations and actors REAL.

 

[Kane52630]

So ridiculous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/batman-superman-fan-theory_562e1e99e4b0ec0a3894e595

 

[ThePhantasm]

So ridiculous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/batman-superman-fan-theory_562e1e99e4b0ec0a3894e595

This is the stupidest thing I've read in awhile.

 

[The Joker]

A man can dream, can't he!?

Yeah, but the soul crushing disappointment of bare footed Marilyn Manson pimp "Joker" will still be there next August!

This is why the new Star Wars film looks so good. JJ wisely kept CGI where it should be and kept the locations and actors REAL.

The best directors do that. Another of my favs is what Raimi did with Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. 99% of the time they were real puppeteered tentacles attached to a real actor.

Probably why the movie won an Oscar for the special fx.

So ridiculous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/batman-superman-fan-theory_562e1e99e4b0ec0a3894e595

Well that was good for a laugh at least. What boggles my mind is they actually thought this stupid rumor was news worthy.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

If Affleck winds up directing his solo Batman feature, I think he'll pull it way back on the CGI once more.

He could be the nice medium between Nolan and Snyder.

 

[BatLobster]

That article has got it all wrong.

Bale is back obviously, but he's playing Jason Todd.

 

[The Joker]

That article has got it all wrong.

Bale is back obviously, but he's playing Jason Todd.

No man, you haven't been keeping up. Leto has snagged that role.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/08...-fan-theory-3497636?lt_source=external,manual

 

[The Shape]

The bigger issue I had with that newspaper bit is the implication that Joker knows Bruce is Batman. I ain't into that.

We don't necessarily know that to be true. We don't know if it was actually The Joker that sent him that newspaper clipping, or if there even is any red handwriting on the newspaper at all.

Some have speculated that it's something Bruce himself sees when he looks at that article, which plays into the feelings of paranoia, guilt, and helplessness Bruce is feeling after many of his employees died during the Metropolis battle and he failed to save them (and also after he lost other members of his "family" like Robin in the past). I'm more inclined to think this is what we're seeing, as well. One of those situations where he sees the writing on the paper, looks up, and when he looks back at the paper, the writing is gone.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't think Joker sent him that newspaper clipping, although I don't particularly mind if Joker knows he's Bruce Wayne.

 

[shauner111]

Im going with Lex.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I feel like if Joker wrote it he almost certainly would have thrown some HA HA HA HAs into the mix too.

Apart from the jagged handwriting, the message is actually rather restrained.

 

[BatLobster]

Speaking of Joker...

2008:

2015:

It's just crazy to me because Heath still doesn't feel like THAT long ago. Those socks. Nevah forget.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I feel old.

 

[BatLobster]

I feel old.

Pretttttty much.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It's crazy that we'll be getting a new Batman/Joker next year. It feels like it's stepping on Bale/Ledger's toes a little bit... but I'm sure Affleck/Leto will knock it out of the park.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

A thought: Leto eight years ago was still older than Heath Ledger would be today.

 

[Slade W]

I think it's Lex not Joker. I wouldn't like that either if it was Mistah J. I believe we're made to think that it's Joker because they showed Robins suit with Jokers writing in the same trailer. Could it be Lex who knows who he is like early rumors suggested, and writing it in a way so Bruce thinks it's Joker?

It will be interesting when the film comes out because I am sure more explanations will be given and we will see whose theories about the film were right or completely wrong. My feeling is that the newspaper with the red writing that says "you let your family die" was sent by Jason Todd (as the Red Hood). I think that we are supposed to believe that it was sent by the Joker but that the scene with Bruce holding the newspaper is actually setting up Jason Todd/Red Hood for a future movie (as well as showing Bruce's guilt at that moment in the BVS movie). We also know that Jason (and all former Robin's) know that Bruce is Batman and there is a possibility that the Joker doesn't (as he usually doesn't in the comics).

They showed the Robin suit of a dead former Robin (who I assume was Jason Todd) and I feel that they did that because they want to do the Red Hood story in the future. Maybe I am wrong and they just wanted to show how evil, dangerous and cruel the Joker is and they wanted to show one of the reasons (or maybe the main reason) why Bruce is feeling guilty in the movie but I just find it hard to believe that they showed us the dead Robin suit and don't want to do a Red Hood story in the future. I am probably completely wrong but it is just a feeling that I have. Its all part of the fun I guess.

 

[The Shape]

I think it's awesome that we're getting to see so many interpretations of our favorite characters like Batman and The Joker in our lifetimes. I mean, seriously, how lucky are we? Whether we love each one as much as the next or some not at all, it's still pretty amazing and we have a lot to be thankful for as fans. This is one of the reasons it's hard for me to *****, complain, or actively dislike certain versions. I'm always fascinated and appreciative of the level of variation that can be applied to these characters while still keeping the core essence of what makes these characters so great.

By the time we hit our deathbeds, there will have been like 80 years of rich film history for Batman and The Joker. Light, dark, campy, serious, fantastical, realistic, comic accurate, not so comic accurate, etc. Not a fan of what Snyder is doing with Batman or what Leto is doing with this Joker? It's really not the end of the world, because we've had some fantastic versions preceding these ones (most recently a fantastic trilogy), and in 15-20 years, we'll surely be seeing the genesis of completely different versions that might be more in line with your particular tastes.

It already does to a certain extent, but down the line, the Batman film mythology will not be too far off from the 75+ years of comic book mythology we already have. Plenty of different eras, writers, directors, actors, stories, tones, aesthetics, strict adaptations of plotlines, loose adaptations of plotlines, completely original stories -- that all put their own stamps on these characters. We'll have our favorite eras, some eras we weren't crazy about, some that we wish went on longer, etc.

 

[shauner111]

Not even 15-20 years. Im sure we'll see another Batman/Joker after Affleck/Leto, in like 10-12 years.

It will be interesting when the film comes out because I am sure more explanations will be given and we will see whose theories about the film were right or completely wrong. My feeling is that the newspaper with the red writing that says "you let your family die" was sent by Jason Todd (as the Red Hood). I think that we are supposed to believe that it was sent by the Joker but that the scene with Bruce holding the newspaper is actually setting up Jason Todd/Red Hood for a future movie (as well as showing Bruce's guilt at that moment in the BVS movie). We also know that Jason (and all former Robin's) know that Bruce is Batman and there is a possibility that the Joker doesn't (as he usually doesn't in the comics).

They showed the Robin suit of a dead former Robin (who I assume was Jason Todd) and I feel that they did that because they want to do the Red Hood story in the future. Maybe I am wrong and they just wanted to show how evil, dangerous and cruel the Joker is and they wanted to show one of the reasons (or maybe the main reason) why Bruce is feeling guilty in the movie but I just find it hard to believe that they showed us the dead Robin suit and don't want to do a Red Hood story in the future. I am probably completely wrong but it is just a feeling that I have. Its all part of the fun I guess.

You could be right but i don't think Jason Todd exists in this universe. I believe Dick Grayson was the only Robin, and he was murdered by Joker. I wouldn't mind if i was wrong though.

 

[Slade W]

Not even 15-20 years. Im sure we'll see another Batman/Joker after Affleck/Leto, in like 10-12 years.

You could be right but i don't think Jason Todd exists in this universe. I believe Dick Grayson was the only Robin, and he was murdered by Joker. I wouldn't mind if i was wrong though.

A lot of the audience (the non-comic reading ones) are much more familiar with Dick Grayson as Robin so perhaps they would use him in the Red Hood story instead of Jason (if they are going that route).

 

[shauner111]

Im not sure if im OK with Dick as the Red Hood. If they have a chance to use Dick Grayson at all as an adult, go for Nightwing. Don't turn Dick into a killer just because it's convenient.

Do the Dick Grayson + Jason Todd story or don't do it at all and just have a world where Joker killed Dick at age 10 or something. Leave it at that.

 

[JackWhite]

That Empire cover of Leto's Joker is freaking awful.

The rumor of

Spoiler

Leto-Joker really being a former Robin and not the actual Joker just has to be true, lol.

This is one of the few times I've really hated a concept for a characters look on film before.

 

[The Joker]

That Empire cover of Leto's Joker is freaking awful.

The rumor of

Spoiler

Leto-Joker really being a former Robin and not the actual Joker just has to be true, lol.

This is one of the few times I've really hated a concept for a characters look on film before.

Whaaaaat?!? You hate the look? Oh you must be crazy. How can anyone not appreciate this look is an interpretation of Joker?

That's the kind of response you'd get from some on the Leto thread. That or you're tiresome.

Looking at the Ledger Empire pic side by side with Leto's, it's depressing to see how we've gone from an awesome looking Joker to that eyesore look Leto's sporting.

 

[shauner111]

I really like the shots of him in a straight-jacket. Just not...whatever that was..

 

[The Joker]

The straight jacket shot looks great. It's because everything that is awful about his look is just about hidden in that pic. He's wearing a straight jacket so you can't see the horrible body tattoos, and he's not wearing that tacky shiny pimp coat. It's a side face shot, combined with dark lighting, so the ugly facial tattoos are barely visible, if at all. The grills aren't very apparent. He also is not bare foot like a caveman.

Oh and he's also not wearing any bling jewelry.