The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[AnneFan]

True, but Bane isn't going to be a pushover. Or he shouldn't be. I think it's important to have a formidable adversary.

 

[BatLobster]

Some art I never came across till now:

 

[The Joker]

Yep. And when Bruce Wayne's fully fit Batman meets Bane again, he wins.

And that happened in the Bane/Ra's Al Ghul/Talia storyline, too. Very apt.

Some art I never came across till now:

That's slick. Love the Batman shadow on the wall

 

[Spider-Aziz]

True, but Bane isn't going to be a pushover. Or he shouldn't be. I think it's important to have a formidable adversary.

True.

And that happened in the Bane/Ra's Al Ghul/Talia storyline, too. Very apt.

Indeed.

Some art I never came across till now:

Spoiler

Looks great.
Capeless shadow reminds me of Batman Beyond.

 

[AnneFan]

I loved that climbing sequence. Particularly when the bats flew out before his final jump. And of course the parallel to the BB well scene with young Bruce. Just really well done all around.

 

[batfreakforever]

The dark knight trilogy will stand the test of time. Greatest trilogy ever.

 

[JackWhite]

Amazing poster!

"The climb" is still my favorite Bruce Wayne scene in the entire trilogy. The way Bruce stands tall on top of the pit after making the climb is such a satisfying moment.

 

[Penguin]

Quick question, has Bane ever shown any sort of martial arts abilities in the comics? I’ve heard people say he is very well versed in martial arts, but every appearance I see him in makes him a brute and never shows any finesse.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He can do a frog splash and a hurricanrana.

 

[The Joker]

Quick question, has Bane ever shown any sort of martial arts abilities in the comics? I’ve heard people say he is very well versed in martial arts, but every appearance I see him in makes him a brute and never shows any finesse.

I've never read a comic where Bane does martial arts. Bane is a brute strength character when it comes to fighting. Reading Vengeance of Bane, which tells his origin, he studies no martial arts in prison. Any training he does is in the savage prison fights.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Bane has a limited moveset:

Twisting Haymaker

Choke

Face snap

Venom rage

And his ultimate: military press backbreaker.

 

[JackWhite]

For some reason this totally made me laugh out loud:

 

[BatLobster]

Always loved that meme lol.

Bale and Hardy seemed to really hit it off on the set of TDKR. I'd love to see them co-star in something again.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Looks like Dr Pavel did not die. But was biding his time, having gone insane, to top Bane and his scheme.

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[batfreakforever]

Do the films honor the Batman mythology?
Is Robin John Blake the right way to end the story?
Was Bane the right villain for Bruce to go up against in the final film?
Was it the right choice for Alfred to leave Bruce?

 

[The Shape]

 

[shauner111]

Do the films honor the Batman mythology?

I believe they do. The essence of the character was there. Ending his run on a grim note has never been essential to the character. Same with the color of a suit, what gadget he's using, just how deep his voice is, or who is playing his sidekick. I personally don't feel like those things represent the essence of the character. It's about the soul of Bruce/Batman, his motives.

Is Robin John Blake the right way to end the story?

That's a matter of opinion of course. I think it was but it's something that every fan should think about before answering. What are the options? When i break everything down, i arrive at "a successor". The question has nothing to do with whether Bruce lives or dies at the end of the trilogy. It's about whether Blake is the right direction to go in or not. It could have been Dick Grayson instead but it still would have been that character, played by JGL in the movie. The successor should have been someone who almost represents the best of Harvey and Bruce at the same time. John Blake was that guy. I dont think it needed the Flying Graysons. Or the character to be younger, like a kid. You can say it would be interesting if Bruce stuck around and trained Blake. Or adopted a young Dick Grayson instead of JGL. I wouldn't mind a new discussion about that particular idea. Open the flood gates in this thread again. But i would have went with what we were given. It sounds logical to me. But let's hear it, after all, it's been close to 3 & a half years.

Was Bane the right villain for Bruce to go up against in the final film?

Absolutely. If you're going to follow TDK with a third movie that has to do with ending Bruce's story. He's perfect. If it wasn't the end, then perhaps the Riddler, Hugo Strange, Black Mask or Penguin would have worked. It was fitting to go with the physical test for Batman.

Was it the right choice for Alfred to leave Bruce?

In Alfred's mind it was. And that's all that matters. What would Alfred do as a character in this situation? It doesn't matter if it's the popular decision or not. Alfred would leave him because there's no other way to stop stubborn Bruce in that situation. Of course it didn't work. But the point is, how is Alfred feeling? It shouldn't be about "oh we need more screentime for Alfred, so we gotta shoehorn him into the third act".

 

[Brother Jack]

do the films honor the batman mythology?
Is robin john blake the right way to end the story?
Was bane the right villain for bruce to go up against in the final film?
Was it the right choice for alfred to leave bruce?

 

[batfreakforever]

I believe they do. The essence of the character was there. Ending his run on a grim note has never been essential to the character. Same with the color of a suit, what gadget he's using, just how deep his voice is, or who is playing his sidekick. I personally don't feel like those things represent the essence of the character. It's about the soul of Bruce/Batman, his motives.

That's a matter of opinion of course. I think it was but it's something that every fan should think about before answering. What are the options? When i break everything down, i arrive at "a successor". The question has nothing to do with whether Bruce lives or dies at the end of the trilogy. It's about whether Blake is the right direction to go in or not. It could have been Dick Grayson instead but it still would have been that character, played by JGL in the movie. The successor should have been someone who almost represents the best of Harvey and Bruce at the same time. John Blake was that guy. I dont think it needed the Flying Graysons. Or the character to be younger, like a kid. You can say it would be interesting if Bruce stuck around and trained Blake. Or adopted a young Dick Grayson instead of JGL. I wouldn't mind a new discussion about that particular idea. Open the flood gates in this thread again. But i would have went with what we were given. It sounds logical to me. But let's hear it, after all, it's been close to 3 & a half years.

Absolutely. If you're going to follow TDK with a third movie that has to do with ending Bruce's story. He's perfect. If it wasn't the end, then perhaps the Riddler, Hugo Strange, Black Mask or Penguin would have worked. It was fitting to go with the physical test for Batman.

In Alfred's mind it was. And that's all that matters. What would Alfred do as a character in this situation? It doesn't matter if it's the popular decision or not. Alfred would leave him because there's no other way to stop stubborn Bruce in that situation. Of course it didn't work. But the point is, how is Alfred feeling? It shouldn't be about "oh we need more screentime for Alfred, so we gotta shoehorn him into the third act".

Very nice response. I feel pretty much the same about those answers. Thank you for your time.

 

[AnneFan]

I believe they do. The essence of the character was there. Ending his run on a grim note has never been essential to the character. Same with the color of a suit, what gadget he's using, just how deep his voice is, or who is playing his sidekick. I personally don't feel like those things represent the essence of the character. It's about the soul of Bruce/Batman, his motives.

I like the inversion Nolan gave to the Burton/Schumacher series. There, Bruce came to terms with being Batman, and chose to be him forever. He also came to terms with his parents death and became George Clooney - less dark and more of a family man. Nolan's Bruce always saw Batman as a temporary thing, and when push came to shove, he gave the cape and cowl up completely, rather than just the darkness. And I think that's actually a logical outcome. But both interpretations are perfectly valid.

 

[shauner111]

I agree. There's different ways to end his journey. Im sure the new version will be a grim and miserable outcome for Bruce. Which is great too.

 

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/132849915379/the-dark-knight

 

[ThePhantasm]

you should parallel those gifs with Batman 1989: "nice place, lots of space"

 

[AnneFan]

you should parallel those gifs with Batman 1989: "nice place, lots of space"

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[I Am The Knight]

YES. And I will be watching that movie soon.