The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[BH/HHH]

Hmmm, I recall something about Snyder asking him for advice.

All we know is they met and as I said Miller is not involved in any official capacity. I reckon it was simply Snyder running a few ideas to him to get his opinion.

 

[Ryan]

Some of the best posts I've read on here are the comparisons between the Captain America and Man of Steel movies. I remember when I first saw Captain America, I though, why couldn't they do a Superman movie like that. People say that the public is tired of the big blue boyscout and yet, Cap is reminding Stark to not swear in AoU and still comes off as cool. There are ways to make these characters work, but in my opinion they missed the boat with Mos.

 

[shauner111]

I wouldn't say it comes off cool. It's funny.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

That whole thing even had an arc. At the end Cap says something risque (for him) and Fury is like 'you kiss your mother with that mouth?'

 

[BatLobster]

The first Captain America movie was really bland and corny to me. Didn't really sell me on the character.

I think once Cap became a man out of time and had the complexity of modern times and the other characters to bounce off of, that's when it started clicking. But I think his characterization works because you know he's LITERALLY from the 1940s. It makes his squareness more sympathetic in a way, and it gives him a lot of room to grow.

I definitely think you can do a more upbeat, modern version of Superman, but I don't really see Cap as interchangeable with Supes. There are some fundamental differences to me, including the difference between Marvel and DC in general.

 

[BlueLightning]

I guess my main problem with Man of Steel was that it talked a lot about hope but it didn't delivered. It had a great speech lifted verbatim from All-Star Superman which made me think the movie was in good hands, but it didn't paid off.

Very odd choices, like Jonathan Kent's death. (Which was handled way better in the first Christopher Reeve film with Glenn Ford), Superman choosing to stop the terraforming machine that was on the other side of the world in the middle of the ocean, instead of the one that is devastating a greatly populated city.

In the midst of the destruction you only have the Daily Planet crew looking at Superman but just that. A kiss that seemed kind of out of place. A rushed ending, where the Daily Planet continued as normal, (Steve Lombard asking Lois to go to a game). No destruction aftermath. In my eyes, one little montage of Superman helping people among the rubble, reconstructing Metropolis, you know like a TV news reportage, it would have make the difference.

In the end, you don't get a very inspiring Superman film. Oddly, like one reviewer said in terms of tone, the best Superman film on cinema to date is The Iron Giant.

 

[Kane52630]

I found this again lol

 

[Tacit Ronin]

That's wonderful. But it should've been Bale Batman, not BTAS batman.

 

[Ryan]

I wouldn't say it comes off cool. It's funny.

Sorry. I didn't mean in that moment that he came off as cool. In that moment it was funny. What I meant was that overall in that movie and others, the Cap character still comes across as cool and connects to the general public, despite being a 'boy scout". Although Winter Soldier took it up a notch, I still think the first Cap movie ticked more of the boxes for me than Man of Steel.

 

[Victarion]

What's new guys?

 

[Decepticonus]

Sorry. I didn't mean in that moment that he came off as cool. In that moment it was funny. What I meant was that overall in that movie and others, the Cap character still comes across as cool and connects to the general public, despite being a 'boy scout". Although Winter Soldier took it up a notch, I still think the first Cap movie ticked more of the boxes for me than Man of Steel.

Oddly, I really didn't care for the first Cap film at all. Didn't hate it but really did not care for it. Though I love Man of Steel BUT I do like Cap's character more in the end. I do feel there is great potential for Clark there, especially with Henry Cavill there. They just need to show it! Use it!

 

[Victarion]

I could sympathize more with Superman's having to make a pretty big compromise (or, it seemed big judging by how people acted over the idea of him killing someone like Zod) both in terms of killing Zod and focusing on stopping Zod rather than deal with the collateral and let Zod escape...to start the whole destructive cycle over again.

First Cap was a great origin story, but then that's where the Marvel movies have really nailed it, the exceptions being TA and TWS.

 

[The Batman]

What's new guys?

Well, in regards to BvS, Batman is looking more and more compelling than Superman.

 

[batfreakforever]

Batman was always more compelling than Superman.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It's ridiculous the amount of Nolan bashing going on in the BvS threads. The last 3 pages of the BvS costume thread of all places is people just taking pot shots left and right at such fresh topics like Bale's voice and his costume...

Anyone know why people feel the need to bash Nolan now? It's not like we're in a post-Schumacher period as Nolan's Batman films were actually great and we probably wouldn't have the new DCCU films without them.

 

[Decepticonus]

It's ridiculous the amount of Nolan bashing going on in the BvS threads. The last 3 pages of the BvS costume thread of all places is people just taking pot shots left and right at such fresh topics like Bale's voice and his costume...

Anyone know why people feel the need to bash Nolan now? It's not like we're in a post-Schumacher period as Nolan's Batman films were actually great and we probably wouldn't have the new DCCU films without them.

It's the cool, rebellious, hipster, non-conformist thing to do. Just climb on board.

 

[Travesty]

 

[Bruce Malone]

It's the cool, rebellious, hipster, non-conformist thing to do. Just climb on board.

As soon as all the apprehension over the Leto Joker turns into the "Heath sucked! Leto rulez!", I'm probably outta here.

 

[The Joker]

It's ridiculous the amount of Nolan bashing going on in the BvS threads. The last 3 pages of the BvS costume thread of all places is people just taking pot shots left and right at such fresh topics like Bale's voice and his costume...

Anyone know why people feel the need to bash Nolan now? It's not like we're in a post-Schumacher period as Nolan's Batman films were actually great and we probably wouldn't have the new DCCU films without them.

It's the fanboy cycle. When something new comes along suddenly the previous stuff is crap. It will pass.

Some of it is also insecurity. Threatened by the competition. They know it's going to be one hell of a job for the new DCCU Batman to be as revered and popular as Nolan's Batman movies are.

 

[Decepticonus]

As soon as all the apprehension over the Leto Joker turns into the "Heath sucked! Leto rulez!", I'm probably outta here.

Don't blame ya because it will happen. I'll admit I do have a bit of fatigue from those films, since they just blew up and people swore this was like the new Batman bible. And frankly tired of Joker in general, no disrespect towards Ledger. I think the other problem for Nolan was half-way between TDK & TDKR. He stuck so hard to this "realistic" setting which limited things for fans. We want to see Clayface, we want to see Mr. Freeze or use the Lazarus pits and bring back Ra's. It felt he was depriving some fun from us as well, again no disrespect towards the man at all, love his trilogy (even TDKR unlike most) and in his work in general. But I think people are very hungry for a new, non-Nolan Batman.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah I get where your points there but we have a new Batman now! and he's gonna have all the comic booky type things those fans wanted.

It's pure pettiness to still ***** and moan about what wasn't in the Nolan franchise when we're getting it in the new one.

 

[Decepticonus]

Yeah I get where your points there but we have a new Batman now! and he's gonna have all the comic booky type things those fans wanted.

It's pure pettiness to still ***** and moan about what wasn't in the Nolan franchise when we're getting it in the new one.

Oh no I agree whole heartedly. But some fans are all or nothing. Just like you have the ridiculous Marvel VS DC films, guess what it's okay to like both. Being some absolutist fan boy is just cool for some odd reason.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, you know the funny thing though...fans are always bashing the TDK suit right? Well when Rocksteady announced they were going to be bringing a Bale-suit into Arkham Knight, they polled people on Twitter whether it should be the Begins or TDK suit. And wouldn't you know it, the TDK suit ended up winning and it'll be DLC tomorrow.

Mind you, I like the Begins suit more too and promo images were less kind to the TDK, suit but I still felt like in the movies it looked good for the most part. Anyway point is, I really think a lot of what you see going on these days is partially insecurity. TDK Trilogy had IMMENSE popularity- and a Batman that fights, looks and sounds cooler is not enough in and of itself to win the GA over. Those movies were popular because they were excellent filmmaking, and the audience got very invested in that story. And now that story is over, so people can look back and nitpick a lot more.

As it's been pointed out many times, we've been seeing this exact cycle repeat itself since 1989, when it became cool for a generation of fans that grew up on the TV show to suddenly bash it. I've just accepted it, it's like tradition at this point. People will get so used to bashing the trilogy for the next few years that at some point somebody is going to go, "Wait a minute...these movies actually were really good, and crazy influential". And it'll swing back. It's the Bat-circle of life.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I know comments on social media should be taken with a grain of salt, but I've read countless comments about how 'fat', 'ugly', and 'stupid' Ben Affleck looks. Of course I don't share that opinion, but it does shine a light on the fact that comic book accuracy is probably meaningless to most people outside of the forums.

. People will get so used to bashing the trilogy for the next few years that at some point somebody is going to go, "Wait a minute...these movies actually were really good, and crazy influential". And it'll swing back. It's the Bat-circle of life.

Heck, it happened with Raimi's Spider-man. 2007-2012 it was the cool thing to bash him. But his trilogy is slowly gaining back the respect it deserves.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, you know the funny thing though...fans are always bashing the TDK suit right? Well when Rocksteady announced they were going to be bringing a Bale-suit into Arkham Knight, they polled people on Twitter whether it should be the Begins or TDK suit. And wouldn't you know it, the TDK suit ended up winning and it'll be DLC tomorrow.

Yep. Proof that the haters are just a loud minority. The developers at Rocksteady also called the TDK suit one of the best Bat suits ever; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSejUvS9m1w&t=7m30s