The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

[Dede]

that’s why I said main actors not extras

 

[BobJM]

I liked Nolan's inclination to cast Hardy in TDKR, but have been thinking how great he could have been in the Daggett role, either as Alberto Falcone or Oswald Cobb.

Bringing in Falcone again instead of Daggett could have been cool, simply to add more connection to Batman Begins and the trilogy beyond just the League of Shadows. And Hardy looks like he could be Tom Wilkinson's son, so it could have fit. And then that frees up the role of Bane for Javier Bardem

 

[J.Drangal]

Hey! That guy was one of the highlights!

 

[The Shape]

Hey! That guy was one of the highlights!

Agreed. Love Nolan’s extras.

 

[Awest66]

I liked Nolan's inclination to cast Hardy in TDKR, but have been thinking how great he could have been in the Daggett role, either as Alberto Falcone or Oswald Cobb.

Bringing in Falcone again instead of Daggett could have been cool, simply to add more connection to Batman Begins and the trilogy beyond just the League of Shadows. And Hardy looks like he could be Tom Wilkinson's son, so it could have fit. And then that frees up the role of Bane for Javier Bardem

It'd be a pretty huge waste of Hardy to have him in a role like that.

 

[BobJM]

It'd be a pretty huge waste of Hardy to have him in a role like that.

No moreso, IMO, than having Ben Mendelsohn in that role

 

[Awest66]

No moreso, IMO, than having Ben Mendelsohn in that role

It wouldn't stick out as much to me as having Hardy play a guy whose really just there to get killed by the bad guy to show how serious things are.

Plus Bardem would be too busy playing Silva in Skyfall.

 

[Dede]

new large poll for best Batman films. Tdk came first with Batman 89 2nd and tdkr 3rd

 

[The Joker]

I always love how TDK runs away with these polls. Its never a close call.

 

[Sawyer]

TDKR being ranked third in the Nolan films tracks. TDKR being ranked third of Batman films overall? Ehhh…

 

[Drizzle]

TDKR being ranked third in the Nolan films tracks. TDKR being ranked third of Batman films overall? Ehhh…

Yeah but it's also a Buzzfeed poll that any schmo can vote on so take that for what it's worth.

The unsurprising thing is TDK winning. It really is the constant clear frontrunner all those years later. There seems to be more of a debate with Spider-Man and X-Men movies among the other superhero franchises.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'm surprised The Batman didn't rate higher... at least on the grounds of recency bias.

Also Batman Begins deserves more love. I think it's honestly my favorite of the trilogy.

 

[Dede]

I don’t know why people are surprised rises is high. On IMDb it’s 2nd rotten tomatoes 2nd and letterboxd tied 3d

 

[The Joker]

The nerd community often assumes their consensus is the consensus of the general audience too. We sometimes don't align with the average movie goer.

I'm actually more surprised the Burton movies got more votes than The Batman.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

One day, people will recognize the tour de force that Batman Returns was.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

One day, people will recognize the tour de force that Batman Returns was.

I doubt we'll ever see the likes of it again. Bold, brilliant filmmaking.

An auteur-driven, artistic, exciting, romantic, humorous, goofy, thrilling German expressionistic fairy-tale. Burton made a quirky art house picture right under WB's noses, and doing it while playing with their biggest asset? Amazing.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Batman/Joker will always be a huge crowd pleaser so the top two make a lot of sense.

Hell, I honestly love every Batman movie but Batman & Robin (and Batman v Superman but that doesn’t really count). The fact that it got higher than Batman Forever also shows a lot of trolls out there lol

 

[The Joker]

Batman/Joker will always be a huge crowd pleaser so the top two make a lot of sense.

Hell, I honestly love every Batman movie but Batman & Robin (and Batman v Superman but that doesn’t really count). The fact that it got higher than Batman Forever also shows a lot of trolls out there lol

Is it trolling though? Batman and Robin has such a cult status now. Its entertaining as hell, albeit for a lot of the wrong reasons, but you can't help but have a good time with it. Arnie's Mr Freeze alone is worth the watch for the camp value.

 

[Drizzle]

One day, people will recognize the tour de force that Batman Returns was.

It's remembered more fondly now than it was then, but more as a Tim Burton movie than a Batman movie.

 

[The Joker]

Its been 33 years. If its not seen as a tour de force by now then its never going to happen. It still has a special place in my heart though because its the first Batman movie I ever saw. It was my gateway into Batman.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Is it trolling though? Batman and Robin has such a cult status now. Its entertaining as hell, albeit for a lot of the wrong reasons, but you can't help but have a good time with it. Arnie's Mr Freeze alone is worth the watch for the camp value.

Plus it has some of the best people in Hollywood, working at the top of their game in 1997. The special effects, production design, props, costumes, hair/make-up and music are all amazing.

People may not like the movie, but it is an absolute spectacle and looks GOOD.

 

[Dede]

On a few Wikipedia articles returns is regarded as one of the best superhero movies so there’s that. Same for tdkr and tdk

 

[The Joker]

https://ew.com/michael-caine-remembers-being-floored-by-heath-ledger-in-the-dark-knight-11701576

"He was a lovely guy, very gentle and unassuming," Caine writes of Ledger. "I wondered how he was going to play the Joker, especially as Jack Nicholson’s take had been so iconic. Brilliantly, Heath ramped up the character’s psychotic side rather than going for one-liners. His Joker was deeply, deeply warped and damaged, though you never find out exactly why, or what he’s really looking for."

Caine thinks that one of his most iconic lines as Bruce Wayne's butler, Alfred Pennyworth, aptly sums up Ledger's take on the clown prince of crime. "As Alfred says to Bruce, ‘Some men just want to watch the world burn,'" Caine says. "And that was Heath’s version of the character: the smeared make-up, the weird hair, the strange voice. It was chilling. Absolutely floored me the first time I saw him in action — I was terrified!"

The Get Carter star clarifies that he wasn't scared of Ledger himself, though, as his personality was completely different from the Joker. "He and Christian [Bale] were good friends and always having fun together. And then he was transformed into this scheming monster, driving a whole city towards mayhem," Caine writes. "Looking back, I think Heath’s excellence made all of us raise our game. The psychological battle between the Joker and Batman is completely riveting."

Caine also remembers that "it was absolutely awful" when Ledger died at age 27 from an accidental overdose in January 2008. "It still makes me sad to think of it, more than fifteen years on," he writes. "An accidental overdose, just tragic. Heath was only twenty-seven when he passed away. I hadn’t even made Zulu when I was that age. You think of what he might have gone on to achieve, it’s just heart-breaking."

Class act Michael Caine.

 

[Awest66]

TDKR being ranked third in the Nolan films tracks. TDKR being ranked third of Batman films overall? Ehhh…

I'd still put it above both Burton movies.

It's always been the "little engine that could" of Batman movies to me.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

The nerd community often assumes their consensus is the consensus of the general audience too. We sometimes don't align with the average movie goer.

I've seen this with The Batman '22. Nearly everyone I've met and talked about the film in real life with thought it was 'Eh, it was okay'. They call it slow and some parts boring. Too long.

But on nerd-spaces online, it is the only valid Batman film ever, apparently. A masterpiece of deep, mature cinema.