The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

[BatLobster]

Anybody remember the first time we heard this? I remember back then I was like "daaaaaaamn!" The use of a chant for Banes theme was simply perfection, in my mind. Zimmers work is just *chefs kiss*

Oh man I can tell you exactly when I first heard it. It was seeing the prologue to TDKR the first time in IMAX. It was a fan event from the viral marketing, prior to Mission Impossible coming out. Drove an hour each way for 5 minutes of footage, haha.

The way those spooky notes in the beginning started creeping in during:

"They work for the mercenary....the masked man....

...BANE....."

I had goosebumps immediately. And then when the chant kicks in....yeah.

This is one of the most menacing villain themes ever. I love Hardy's performance, but I'm not sure Zimmer gets enough credit for how massive of a threat he makes him through his music. The whole prologue immediately tells you that this is more than a villain of the week, it's like a declaration of war.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Oh man I can tell you exactly when I first heard it. It was seeing the prologue to TDKR the first time in IMAX. It was a fan event from the viral marketing, prior to Mission Impossible coming out. Drove an hour each way for 5 minutes of footage, haha.

The way those spooky notes in the beginning started creeping in during:

"They work for the mercenary....the masked man....

...BANE....."

I had goosebumps immediately. And then when the chant kicks in....yeah.

This is one of the most menacing villain themes ever. I love Hardy's performance, but I'm not sure Zimmer gets enough credit for how massive of a threat he makes him through his music. The whole prologue immediately tells you that this is more than a villain of the week, it's like a declaration of war.

Agreed entirely! This is why I think people these days overlook just how damn cool and scary this was at the time. I had the same reaction as you to those lines. Nolans films, particularly TDK and TDKR, became known for having really interesting and explosive openings. The bank robbery is still my favorite, but the plane sequence lived up to all of my expectations. And then the chant kicks in when Bane says ""yes....the fire rises." Ugh, so damn good.

 

[BatLobster]

Agreed entirely! This is why I think people these days overlook just how damn cool and scary this was at the time. I had the same reaction as you to those lines. Nolans films, particularly TDK and TDKR, became known for having really interesting and explosive openings. The bank robbery is still my favorite, but the plane sequence lived up to all of my expectations. And then the chant kicks in when Bane says ""yes....the fire rises." Ugh, so damn good.

I still only wish they never re-dubbed his lines from the original prologue. That's my one nitpick.

But yeah. To me the openings to TDK and TDKR perfectly set the stage for the type of film you're in. TDK being a bank robbery works perfectly for the crime thriller genre. A massive setpiece on a plane in Africa with the CIA involved shows you that this is a film with bigger stakes, similar to Batman Begins but bigger.

The way the one guy looks up in awe of Bane as he accepts his death is so haunting to me. It's a total reversal of TDK's intro where Joker is double crossing all his henchmen- here we have henchmen who are ready to die willingly for Bane at the drop of a hat. It's chilling.

 

[The Shape]

Oh man I can tell you exactly when I first heard it. It was seeing the prologue to TDKR the first time in IMAX. It was a fan event from the viral marketing, prior to Mission Impossible coming out. Drove an hour each way for 5 minutes of footage, haha.

The way those spooky notes in the beginning started creeping in during:

"They work for the mercenary....the masked man....

...BANE....."

I had goosebumps immediately. And then when the chant kicks in....yeah.

This is one of the most menacing villain themes ever. I love Hardy's performance, but I'm not sure Zimmer gets enough credit for how massive of a threat he makes him through his music. The whole prologue immediately tells you that this is more than a villain of the week, it's like a declaration of war.

Lincoln Square AMC? I was there too.

 

[Rick190293]

Anybody remember the first time we heard this? I remember back then I was like "daaaaaaamn!" The use of a chant for Banes theme was simply perfection, in my mind. Zimmers work is just *chefs kiss*

One of the best villain's theme ever. Zimmer nailed TDKR soundtrack, best of the trilogy in my opinion.

 

[BatLobster]

Lincoln Square AMC? I was there too.

Dude, yes. I feel like there was only one screening for the viral marketing...if so were 100% witnessing that on the same screen at the same time! Still my favorite movie theater in the world.

 

[Brother Jack]

One of the best villain's theme ever. Zimmer nailed TDKR soundtrack, best of the trilogy in my opinion.

At the time I was disappointed that James Newton Howard wasn't involved in the score, but I think it worked out with the trajectory of the trilogy's music up until then, where JNH had a smaller role in TDK, and the tone of the film. It's colder, more electronic, more rhythmic and oppressive. More Zimmer, basically. But I think it's remarkable that he built new and distinct sounds for Bane and Selina and the pit while still incorporating so much of the previous motifs for Batman. It has its own identity, like the final movement of an opera that delivers an ultimate punctuation mark on the whole narrative.

 

[BatLobster]

Another goodie from the soundtrack for no particular reason. Kind of like a more subdued version of Imagine the Fire, always loved this one. Most of it is not in the film at all.

In addition to Bane's theme, the motif that I consider to be Talia/"The Pit" theme is beautifully haunting.

 

[StarLord]

I find it hard to believe it's almost ten years.

 

[Kane52630]

I remember when we all thought that kid was gonna be either Dick Grayson or Tim Drake.

 

[tincan]

Some questions I have about the Dark Knight Rises are:

-When Bane was finishing his talk about being born in the dark and said "but blinding", it sounded like someone was choking. Was that Bane choking Batman or Batman choking Bane?
-What did Bane mean that their weakness cost the lives of three others when they brought Commissioner Gordon to him? What other lives did it cost?
-When Batman was punching Bane in the sewers, why did they show a couple shots of Bane's men just standing there not looking like they cared?
-Who was the person on the plane in the first scene that Bane said "they expect one of us in the wreckage brother" to and why did he agree to die on the plane?

 

[Rick190293]

Some questions I have about the Dark Knight Rises are:

-When Bane was finishing his talk about being born in the dark and said "but blinding", it sounded like someone was choking. Was that Bane choking Batman or Batman choking Bane?
-What did Bane mean that their weakness cost the lives of three others when they brought Commissioner Gordon to him? What other lives did it cost?
-When Batman was punching Bane in the sewers, why did they show a couple shots of Bane's men just standing there not looking like they cared?
-Who was the person on the plane in the first scene that Bane said "they expect one of us in the wreckage brother" to and why did he agree to die on the plane?

- Bane was choking Batman. Actually, Bats was getting his ass kicked every second lol.
- The three cops who were shot right before Gordon was taken.
- It was all planned. They knew the set up Bane and Catwoman armed for Batman, and they clearly knew he'd get his ass kicked by his boss.
- I think he was one of Bane's thugs, who was blinded by his idealism.

 

[tincan]

Why would Bane be upset that his men got three cops killed? Bane wasn't on the side of the cops.

In the opening scene, who were the guys that had abducted Bane and the other two guys?

 

[tincan]

Who was the other guy in the first scene that was held hostage? Why did Bane want him to die in the wreckage? What did Bane mean when he said "Dr. Pavel refused our offer in favour of yours"?

 

[The Joker]

Who was the other guy in the first scene that was held hostage? Why did Bane want him to die in the wreckage? What did Bane mean when he said "Dr. Pavel refused our offer in favour of yours"?

It was one of Bane's men. The authorities had to find the body of one of Bane's associates to make it convincing.

Bane obviously offered Dr Pavel a deal to work for them. But he refused and took up the offer from the C.I.A.

 

[BatLobster]

Well folks. The day has come. I'm seeing The Batman in about 3 hours. It's crazy to think it's been about 10 years since the last solo-Batman film. A lot of great discussions and memories in this very thread over that period.

I have a bit of a mix of emotions. I'm very excited to see it. The feeling I have today however isn't the same sense of unbearable anticipation I felt in 2008 and 2012 though. It's something a little different and more complicated-- but ultimately I'm just super interested to see how this film hits me. As I'm sure is clear by now, the Nolan trilogy is very near and dear to my heart. Not because I think they are perfect, or that you can't make a more faithful 'comic book' Batman adaptation. But nevertheless they are the movies that I've connected the most with emotionally, for a variety of reasons. Truthfully, and I'm not saying this to ruffle feathers, but I barely even count the Affleck years as a true era of the character. Simply on the virtue that those films were "DC" films, not Batman films. It's no different than me not considering the Timm-verse JL show a 'Batman' show in the way BTAS was. So it's really a new era beginning now. Grateful and happy to witness it. Especially with everything going on in the world, just being able to sit down and revel in a new Batman film in a movie theater feels like a privilege I shouldn't take for granted.

While at the same time, I guess there's a bit of melancholy creeping in. I guess it's a combo of just "well damn, I'm 10 years older than I was the last time one of these came out" (lol) and perhaps a bit of wistfulness for the past.

Look forward to discussing The Batman with y'all though, either in here, the main thread, or both.

 

[Brother Jack]

I honestly haven't been this excited for a movie in quite some time, but "complicated" is a good word for it, and not in a bad way. I'm just older now, really. This looks exactly like the kind of Batman movie I've always wanted to see, but I don't feel like my hype can reach the same kind of pure heights that it could when I was younger, when I was a highschooler in an hours-long line to see TDK in IMAX opening day.

 

[Brother Jack]

So I just got back from seeing it. I have a lot of thoughts but I'll save them for now. Probably need at least one rewatch to better solidify my feelings, and also to give it time to settle and see how the discourse goes on it once more get a chance to watch it.

 

[BatLobster]

So I just got back from seeing it. I have a lot of thoughts but I'll save them for now. Probably need at least one rewatch to better solidify my feelings, and also to give it time to settle and see how the discourse goes on it once more get a chance to watch it.

Yup...in my thinking and digesting phase right now.

I definitely liked it a lot, certainly loved a lot of elements of it. I think Pattinson is dang terrific Batman. Bruce...I understand what they were going for, but it wasn't really for me. Bale is still my definitive Bruce and I still think there were moments where Pattinson was actually channeling Bale's Batman a bit, so his imprint on the character is undeniable IMO. Time will tell which way the movie goes for me. Like you...a lot of thoughts. This movie definitely had a strong mood and atmosphere to it, as you'd expect from such a noir-heavy take. It is 100% the movie the trailers sold.

Looking forward to discussing once our brains have fully processed it!

 

[Rick190293]

For me, it wasn't 100% the movie the trailers showed, I'd say around 60-70% haha... it's a very dark, brooding film, very very detective and less 'action-blockbuster' than I was expecting. But it works so damn well, everyone nailed it. Still processing through, not an easy movie to review after barely 10 hours.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't think I'll be able to see this for a few days, but I'm looking forward to reading all of your thoughts in the meantime.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

30 years ago: Batman Returned
10 years ago: The dark Knight Rose
This year: The Batman glides, and Batman Returns again

I kinda feel a bit down now that 2002 has no Batman release, but if that happened I guess it could have ruined things for the series the Nolan brothers planned. Still, I wonder if we'll see another Batman movie a decade from now.

 

[antsman41]

30 years ago: Batman Returned
10 years ago: The dark Knight Rose
This year: The Batman glides, and Batman Returns again

I kinda feel a bit down now that 2002 has no Batman release, but if that happened I guess it could have ruined things for the series the Nolan brothers planned. Still, I wonder if we'll see another Batman movie a decade from now.

You forgot about that legendary BOP intro and those On-Star commercials... were in 2002, lol.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

You forgot about that legendary BOP intro and those On-Star commercials... were in 2002, lol.

"Batman had sex with Catwoman on a roof, they had a daughter; Huntress"

I remember that the show exists, didn't bother look up the year of release. But now we know that list is complete. LOL.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Bane succeeded where Joker was stopped, he took over and landed the fatal blow. Now I kinda want to see a continuation of sorts to this story that makes Bane and Joker meet to discuss their plans.