The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

I really think Rises feels more like far removed fourth film, in the Nolan Batman saga.

Like, there should've been a third Nolan film released in 2012 different than Rises, taking place not long after Dark Knight, and Rises should've come out in say...2020.

As much as I love this series, sometimes it feels like there's a missing piece between those two films.

Agreed. I feel like there was one more ''big'' Batman story with Bale that took place not that long after the events of The Dark Knight. He did not go into retirement immediately and is being hunted by the police Mask of the Phantasm style.

A story that highlighted his increasing anger and detachment from humanity before he gave it all up. Perhaps with Hugo Strange or Riddler as the primary villains.
 
Agreed. I feel like there was one more ''big'' Batman story with Bale that took place not that long after the events of The Dark Knight. He did not go into retirement immediately and is being hunted by the police Mask of the Phantasm style.

My head-canon (and many fans I read of) is that he was Batman for quite awhile longer. Blake and Gordon say last "official sighting" meaning by cops.

The people like Blake, the orphanage kids and other citizens know enough about him and want him back, in Rises. And they still believe in him. That, to me, didn't seem like people who last knew him as Dent's supposed killer.

There's no reason that young boy Blake interacts with would miss Batman, since he himself is like 8.

I imagine Bruce continuing as Batman for a year or two - dodging cops but still doing his job, to diminishing returns as the Dent Act pushes him to irrelevancy and he begins focusing on his efforts in energy as Wayne.

It just makes more sense according to the story and the wiggle-room of ambiguity Nolan left for when he exactly quit.

Bruce had a functioning Batcave, a suit locker, gear, Alfred hints he did go down there a lot at one point, his body is far more wrecked by the film than he was in the previous, people too young to remember him actually do, etc.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'd love a Batman comic run set between The Dark Knight and Rises showing Batman avoiding being seen by cops and still doing his work in Gotham, for a year or two longer.
 


Was searching YouTube for the TDK teaser, and I gave this one a watch too. It gives us almost nothing of the final product, but I’m still fond of it.
 
The TDK teaser was similar. It was mainly some dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, then Joker comes in at the end with the people will die tonight line.
 
The TDK teaser was similar. It was mainly some dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, then Joker comes in at the end with the people will die tonight line.
True. I do let the Joker voice reveal overshadow the fact that that one also gave us almost nothing either. At least TDKR’s teaser gave us a few shots.
 


Was searching YouTube for the TDK teaser, and I gave this one a watch too. It gives us almost nothing of the final product, but I’m still fond of it.



The TDK teaser was similar. It was mainly some dialogue between Bruce and Alfred, then Joker comes in at the end with the people will die tonight line.

Both of these I thought were fantastic. The literal definition of teasers, and I remember being surprised at how Joker sounded. TDKR one was so damn good too, and I also remember being like "oh ****!" when we see Batman backing up exhausted as Bane steps up towards him. So damn cool.
 
Agreed. I feel like there was one more ''big'' Batman story with Bale that took place not that long after the events of The Dark Knight. He did not go into retirement immediately and is being hunted by the police Mask of the Phantasm style.

A story that highlighted his increasing anger and detachment from humanity before he gave it all up.

I don't like that he framed himself, as a murderer, but it does make sense that after he did so he would not want to be active more, not want Batman to be considered both murderer and necessary/beneficial hero or even anti-hero.
 
Heath was just a rock star and the coolest guy the room, plain and simple. What a talent we lost.

It also warms my heart that Bale legitimately appreciates Phil Collins, haha. At least I hope he was being legit there. He's such a chill vibe though, especially for someone known for being a little crazy. Love that guy.
 
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When did the Scarecrow showed up like that?
 
That's what he was wearing when he was riding the horse on the Narrows wasn't it.

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Oh right! It's a shame we only got that one shot of him looking like that.
 
Gonna assume there will be a second wave with Catwoman, Ra’s, Talia and… I’m guessing a different look for Batman?

Either his League of Shadows look or the Begins suit, I would guess?
 
Saw a tweet saying it took awhile to get DC on board with this. I wonder if they had to run it past Nolan and co. and if that’s why McFarlane has yet to do a Burton line.
 
I really think Rises feels more like far removed fourth film, in the Nolan Batman saga.

Like, there should've been a third Nolan film released in 2012 different than Rises, taking place not long after Dark Knight, and Rises should've come out in say...2020.

As much as I love this series, sometimes it feels like there's a missing piece between those two films.

As much as I totally understand that view, I think it's also part of what I admire about Rises. It was kind of "ahead of its time" in that sense. Nolan was really committed to truly wrapping up the story and making it feel as much like an ending as possible, even if it meant shooting past a lot of the audience expectations of where the story was going next and really taking the broad view of how Bruce's story needed to resolve. Plus I don't think there's any reality where Nolan could've stepped away for eight full years without them rebooting in the meantime. And obviously the idea of multiple versions coexisting definitely wasn't a thing back then.

If you look at Rises as a third and final puzzle piece whose job is to bring the larger ideas together and answer the question of what was the whole point of the story that started in Batman Begins, then I think it absolutely does that job.

While I think there are definitely endless "stories" that could've taken place between TDK and TDKR (and I'd still love to get some of those), I also question if there's one that really could've been a great film that was a worthy as a follow-up to TDK in its own right. Speaking purely as a movie, I think Rises helps justify itself by committing to the finality of its story and going the largest in scale, even if it was never going to recapture the lightning in a bottle of TDK. I know a lot of fans craved a more detective/street-level movie (ala The Batman) from the Nolan-era, but if you really look at all three of those movies...they're blockbusters at heart. I think to myself...could Zimmer have elevated a character like Hugo Strange or The Riddler in the way he did with Joker and Bane with how he handled their respective "sounds" and how that permeated through both of those films? Anything's possible, but I'm not so sure. I think Bane being such a different archetype from Joker helped a lot in that area. Post-Joker, there really was "no going back" in the sense that a main villain in a Nolan Batman movie really needed to bring a larger than life presence to the mix for the movie to even be in the same ballpark. Especially with Heath gone.
 
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Nolan making four films was never in the cards. Bale and the core cast were contracted for three while Nolan was not. It wasn’t a guarantee he’d come back for either sequel, and it was clear from the trajectory of his career that he wasn’t interested in making Batman movies forever. So he constructed the third film from the ground up to be a hard ending and it informed every creative choice; the time jump, the chiastic pattern mirroring Begins, the amalgam of thematic and aesthetic elements of the previous films. It’s the classic trilogy with a big three-act structure and it kind of necessitated that the third part be what it was.
 
Saw a tweet saying it took awhile to get DC on board with this. I wonder if they had to run it past Nolan and co. and if that’s why McFarlane has yet to do a Burton line.

Would love a Burton line that includes Jack's Joker. Hope this happens someday.
 
Would love a Burton line that includes Jack's Joker. Hope this happens someday.
Joker, Catwoman, Penguin, and both Keaton suits? I would absolutely buy them all.
 

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