The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

[OnLeatherWings]

Also, I will never not be fatigued reading "plot holes!" in regard to this film. It feels like this film's title became synonymous with "plot holes".

It feels like people don't know what they're talking about, though. Like...the things they say are plot holes are literally NOT plot holes. They're just repeating bad-faith critiques just because.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

After 3 years of being told that the newest Batman is "finally" a "faithful adaptation of Batman" and that no prior Batman films were at all faithful or near as close to the source material...

...in a schadenfreude kind of way - I can't wait until Reeves' Batman fans have to be lectured that the new Batman is far more faithful than his ever was.

Because it will happen. It is inevitable.

(Disclaimer - I love Reeves' Batman, too. I just think it's no more or less faithful than Nolan, Burton or Schumacher's Batman films)

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This happens every time. It happened to Burton fans, it happen to Schumacher fans, etc. It will continue to happen, no matter the franchise or the creative.

Nolan is definitely my favorite of the bunch and it's place in history is cemented. So I honestly don't get the issue.

 

[Kane52630]

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[The Batman]

...in a schadenfreude kind of way - I can't wait until Reeves' Batman fans have to be lectured that the new Batman is far more faithful than his ever was.

It could happen sooner than you think, if Gunn really gets the DCU off the ground.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Got a striking suspicion any sense of glee at a fandom you hate being unhappy will dissipate real quick when how deeply unpleasant that fan drama is gonna get sinks in, @OnLeatherWings . Gonna be like the Burtonite Nolanite days on steroids.

 

[BatLobster]

The whole idea of "faithful" is so silly to me when you have 85 years of all sorts of different types of stories, tones and creative approaches with the character. I mean it's been said countless times over the years, but there's always been a pretty large swath of fandom that misses the memo.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I do kinda get @OnLeatherWings point, even if it's a common cycle among fandoms. When you see younger generations come in, and try to retroactively change the perceptions of certain films, and or make weird arguments to discredit older adaptions to prop up the new ( such as TDK is a good movie but not a great Batman movie), it gets really annoying. Especially when you couple that with the fact that I have not heard many people talk about The Batman, outside of Twitter or here. I love The Batman and what Reeves is doing, but my interactions regarding the film with the GA have been "too long, too slow". Every single time I've spoken to someone, such as coworkers, that's the response I've gotten.

Again, I love Reeves Batman. Big fan of what he's doing, but there does some to be a pretty big difference between what you see on here and in real life. If you go on twitter, you'd think, based on what you see, that Zack Snyder made the foundation for Superman and Batman, and EVERY version after has to somehow coexist or live up to that, including Reeves, when in reality, the majority have long forgotten those interpretations. Personally, I don't think that's right.

Same thing is happening to Superman right now. It's being nitpicked to death on that app, because of THOSE people.

 

[The Batman]

To me, if you think BvS Batman or TB Batman is the most faithful Batman ever, then you missed the point of those versions. And there are sects of Snyder and Reeves fans who definitely seemed to miss the point.

They’re not supposed to be faithful to the classic version of Batman. Batfleck is a guy who was classic Batman in an unseen past, but has strayed from that path. And Battinson is a guy who is learning to become classic Batman.

But a lot of fans seem to operate solely on bias and fuel their opinions by cherry picking aspects they view as faithful, while downplaying or ignoring the obvious deviations.

IMO, none of the live action Batmen from Keaton onwards is worthy of being called “The Most faithful Batman” or whatever. Not because such a thing can’t be achieved, but because modern Batman directors are more invested in creating a very particular take on the character, rather than do what Donner Superman/MCU Captain America/Netflix Daredevil did and essentially bring the comic character to life.