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It will be nice if Microsoft improves the game install times for the Xbox One :)
 
just a heads up if you still have some shopping to do after BF/Cyber Monday.

Starting today, this week ( Dec. 4-10 ), Best Buy is offering a Buy 2 Get 1 Free deal for any PS4/X1 game, priced $59.99 or under. Excluding Uncharted 4 and Minecraft for PS4. Also excludes preowned, preorders, and digital games.

Looks like the B2G1 deal also stacks with the GCU discount.
 
Not predicted at all lol.
 
It's not going to be less than $1000!!
 
X Knight said:
yep. there were some youtubers who proclaimed the Scorpio wouldn't sell for less than $900 or whatever.

one guy said he'd eat his beard if it did.

so......yeah........
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Haha wtf. It was always going to be priced competitively. It might not be designed to move like the X One S, but it wasn't going to be some super niche console.

I can't wait to see/hear more on it.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
Haha wtf. It was always going to be priced competitively. It might not be designed to move like the X One S, but it wasn't going to be some super niche console.

I can't wait to see/hear more on it.
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I think $500-$600 is the max they can get away with. anything higher than that and the console will be DOA.

and I'm cautiously optimistic about the Scorpio. The Xbox One has been such a disastrous experience for me - with one bad luck experience after another. I've never had this much problem or bad luck with any other console.

so, in a way, I'm actually hoping they move away from the Xbox One branding for the Scorpio. Yeah, it will play Xbox One games and run on the same OS, but I want it to be sort of its own machine and separate from the Xbox One.

if that makes any sense..........
 
I figure it'll be similar to the PS4 Pro in that it'll just be that definitive 4K/HDR premium Xbox One experience. I don't think they'll move too far away from the Xbox One branding and they don't need to. It was a rocky launch, but its been absolutely anything but for MS and the X1 since.
 
oh, yeah. MS and the X1 have had one helluva turnaround since the rocky launch.

And I've wanted to like the X1 so bad. But, for whatever reason, I've just had terrible luck and trouble with it.

So, from my own personal experience, I'm just wary of anything related or branded Xbox One. We'll have to see what the Scorpio exactly is. Right now, I'm cautiously optimistic about it.

It will be interesting when MS can claim to have the "most powerful console" on the market, as that would be a role reversal.
 
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X Knight said:
So, from my own personal experience, I'm just wary of anything related or branded Xbox One. We'll have to see what the Scorpio exactly is. Right now, I'm cautiously optimistic about it.

It will be interesting when MS can claim to have the "most powerful console" on the market, as that would be a role reversal.
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Yea, but branding won't change that. The issues you had weren't indicative of the majority. There was no "Red Ring of Death" for the X1 the way we saw with the 360. I think a lot of your issues were mainly of your own creation. I think you might be the first documented case of a console hypochondriac. It seemed you were constantly looking for a reason to get and then get rid of an X1 that issues just seemed to "appear". I mean I hear my systems fan kick on for 10 seconds once every few weeks and I think, hm oh well. You hear that same noise and immediately run to return your console, rather that noise was anything major or not.

I don't think any of that will change with the Scorpio due to it being tied to the Xbox One line. This isnt the next generation of consoles, its just a premium version of what we have. I mean you'll get that brand new Scorpio, you'll plug it in and you'll hear a click, once, briefly and that one click will stick in the back of your mind. "Was it supposed to make that click? What if it makes it again? What if it clicks when I'm outside of the warranty? What if its supposed to click and its not clicking? Oh no, better return my system." Knowing you the way i do, that exactly the scenario thats going to play out. I don't think MS moving away from the X1 name will alter that too much.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
Yea, but branding won't change that. The issues you had weren't indicative of the majority. There was no "Red Ring of Death" for the X1 the way we saw with the 360. I think a lot of your issues were mainly of your own creation. I think you might be the first documented case of a console hypochondriac. It seemed you were constantly looking for a reason to get and then get rid of an X1 that issues just seemed to "appear". I mean I hear my systems fan kick on for 10 seconds once every few weeks and I think, hm oh well. You hear that same noise and immediately run to return your console, rather that noise was anything major or not.

I don't think any of that will change with the Scorpio due to it being tied to the Xbox One line. This isnt the next generation of consoles, its just a premium version of what we have. I mean you'll get that brand new Scorpio, you'll plug it in and you'll hear a click, once, briefly and that one click will stick in the back of your mind. "Was it supposed to make that click? What if it makes it again? What if it clicks when I'm outside of the warranty? What if its supposed to click and its not clicking? Oh no, better return my system." Knowing you the way i do, that exactly the scenario thats going to play out. I don't think MS moving away from the X1 name will alter that too much.
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well, I had issues with the X1 and I know I wasn't just making stuff up.

I didn't imagine the network frequently dropping while all other devices stayed connected. I didn't imagine the screen suddenly blinking to black for no reason or horizontal lines flashing across the screen for no reason.

These issues didn't just "appear" because I wished them to.

I owned the OG PS4 for almost 3 years and I had practically 0 problems with that. Same with pretty much every other console I've owned going back to the original NES.

Which is why my experience with the X1 is so perplexing to me. But, when I buy these consoles and devices, I have an expectation that they are going to work ( with occasional minor issues, of course ). With the X1, it felt like every time I turned it on, I wasn't sure if it would work properly or if I would encounter another problem.

I can tell the difference between a "normal" problem ( like the fan kicking in ) and something that feels like it shouldn't be happening.

Now, maybe it is something on my end, like another device in my room or home that's causing interference that keeps messing with the X1. Maybe I'm still having underlying router issues and the X1 is just more susceptible to the problem. That could explain the networking issues, but I don't think it explains problems like flashing screens or lines.

so, who knows.......

but for whatever reason, I just know I had terrible luck with the X1. And since I've had such bad luck with it in the past, I guess you can say I'm way less tolerant now of anything that goes wrong.

Which is why, after my second X1 S console started having the same network connection problem as the prior one, and then started doing a brand new problem ( blinking black screen ), I decided I no longer wanted to deal with this console anymore. I've had enough.

if that makes me a hypochondriac, fine. But I'll stick with consoles that have given me way less problems.
 
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Older consoles were much simpler devices which can (and do) last for decades as there were few moving parts. Computers on the other hand are very complex and nearly everyone's computer eventually dies, even with light use, and modern consoles are becoming more simliar to computers with each generation with more things that could go wrong. But for all the hundreds of thousands of computers that die the success rate even despite the high price is satisfactory to the vast majority, and again the same has so far applied to consoles.

The original 360 is the only console that actually did have an underlying problem. You are as likely to get 2 or 3 duff iPhones in a row as you are X1s or any other mass market complex electronic device. They all show the majority of customers having no failures, but a large amount having one failure, a smaller amount having 2, 3, 4 etc. Normal statistics for these kinds of things with a large enough sample size of products/people. If enough people toss for heads or tails enough times, some people will end up getting heads 16 times and that is not a statistical aberration that proves that that person is any more likely to get heads on their next throw...still 50/50 unless the person is doing something unusual to affect the result themself.

For me when one of these products breaks down (and assuming I am otherwise satisfied with it) I get it fixed and then replaced with a new model (usually not a big hassle as they have standard procedures for this). When there is no underlying issue to a product you will always get one that works fine eventually (assuming that nothing you are doing is contributing to/causing the issue).

Anyway there are all kinds of consumers and there is no wrong/right way to handle these issues. You just have a much more itchy trigger finger than most with returns :woot: and I think within the return period that makes you more sensitive to an issue than you might be after that period has expired.
 
Iceman said:
Older consoles were much simpler devices which can (and do) last for decades as there were few moving parts. Computers on the other hand are very complex and nearly everyone's computer eventually dies, even with light use, and modern consoles are becoming more simliar to computers with each generation with more things that could go wrong. But for all the hundreds of thousands of computers that die the success rate even despite the high price is satisfactory to the vast majority, and again the same has so far applied to consoles.

The original 360 is the only console that actually did have an underlying problem. You are as likely to get 2 or 3 duff iPhones in a row as you are X1s or any other mass market complex electronic device. They all show the majority of customers having no failures, but a large amount having one failure, a smaller amount having 2, 3, 4 etc. Normal statistics for these kinds of things with a large enough sample size of products/people. If enough people toss for heads or tails enough times, some people will end up getting heads 16 times and that is not a statistical aberration that proves that that person is any more likely to get heads on their next throw...still 50/50 unless the person is doing something unusual to affect the result themself.

For me when one of these products breaks down (and assuming I am otherwise satisfied with it) I get it fixed and then replaced with a new model (usually not a big hassle as they have standard procedures for this). When there is no underlying issue to a product you will always get one that works fine eventually (assuming that nothing you are doing is contributing to/causing the issue).

Anyway there are all kinds of consumers and there is no wrong/right way to handle these issues. You just have a much more itchy trigger finger than most with returns :woot: and I think within the return period that makes you more sensitive to an issue than you might be after that period has expired.
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yeah. that's a fair assessment, Iceman. and I appreciate your understanding. :woot:

every consumer is different and everyone has different tolerance levels when it comes to problems or returning stuff.

and that's a good point about older tech lasting longer. I find that to be true - they don't make stuff like they used to.

and ironically, the 360 had documented problems like RROD, but I owned an Elite unit for about 6 years and had very little trouble with it.

and it turns out, despite my new router, I am still experiencing underlying network problems in my home. So, that could explain the networking issues with the X1 S. But, it doesn't explain why the X1 S seemed to get affected more than other devices - unless for whatever reason the X1 is more vulnerable to my networking problems.

It also doesn't explain the various "video" issues I experienced ( like flashing black screens or flashing lines ).

So, no, I'm not going to rush out and buy another X1 S to give it another chance........lol. That ship has since sailed.

and besides, my need for a multimedia console like the X1 is less now since I've been accumulating separate devices to handle those purposes ( a 4K player, a new laptop, etc. ). So, if I'm using the console mainly for games, I'm going to stick with the more powerful console right now, which is the Pro.

I've also got my eye on the Switch next March.

If I'm getting back into the Xbox, it will be with the more powerful Scorpio. So, we'll see how that turns out. And hopefully by then, my underlying networking problems will have been fixed.....lol.
 
X Knight said:
well, I had issues with the X1 and I know I wasn't just making stuff up.

I didn't imagine the network frequently dropping while all other devices stayed connected. I didn't imagine the screen suddenly blinking to black for no reason or horizontal lines flashing across the screen for no reason.

These issues didn't just "appear" because I wished them to.

I owned the OG PS4 for almost 3 years and I had practically 0 problems with that. Same with pretty much every other console I've owned going back to the original NES.

Which is why my experience with the X1 is so perplexing to me. But, when I buy these consoles and devices, I have an expectation that they are going to work ( with occasional minor issues, of course ). With the X1, it felt like every time I turned it on, I wasn't sure if it would work properly or if I would encounter another problem.

I can tell the difference between a "normal" problem ( like the fan kicking in ) and something that feels like it shouldn't be happening.

Now, maybe it is something on my end, like another device in my room or home that's causing interference that keeps messing with the X1. Maybe I'm still having underlying router issues and the X1 is just more susceptible to the problem. That could explain the networking issues, but I don't think it explains problems like flashing screens or lines.

so, who knows.......

but for whatever reason, I just know I had terrible luck with the X1. And since I've had such bad luck with it in the past, I guess you can say I'm way less tolerant now of anything that goes wrong.

Which is why, after my second X1 S console started having the same network connection problem as the prior one, and then started doing a brand new problem ( blinking black screen ), I decided I no longer wanted to deal with this console anymore. I've had enough.

if that makes me a hypochondriac, fine. But I'll stick with consoles that have given me way less problems.
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I think you returned more X1's than iv owned consoles. What, you had like 6 or 7 different X1 consoles and ALL of them had some sort of "issue"? That's an astronomical statistical improbability, which is why I say the more likely scenario is you wanted there to be an issue. It's your subconscious telling you, you really don't want an X1.

My point to all this, is I think you should just ignore the Scorpio. You've got your Pro you've got a 4K player, you don't need a Scorpio, just like you probably didn't need an X1(which you knew) and why you had an "issue" with literally every single console you purchased.
 
I'll only be interested in the Scorpio if its extra power will let it do stuff the Pro can't and/or there are exclusive X1 games that I really want to play by then.

but yeah, barring that, I will stick with the Pro.
 
X Knight said:
I'll only be interested in the Scorpio if its extra power will let it do stuff the Pro can't and/or there are exclusive X1 games that I really want to play by then.

but yeah, barring that, I will stick with the Pro.
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I doubt it. It'll be stronger for sure, but I doubt it'll be so strong that we'll see it doing things the other consoles can't. It'll prob just run the same games at that "defenitive" level. Meaning if you want the "definitive" console version of Whatever game from a performance aspect, then that'll be found on the Scorpio.
 
^ that's true. guess we'll find out.

I think the one advantage Scorpio could potentially have is possible support of more powerful VR like Occulus ( compared to the PS VR ).

however, VR isn't high on my interest list, so that advantage alone wouldn't be a top priority for me.

I'm more interested in Hololens actually. But I think that's a ways off in terms of being consumer ready, let alone for gaming.
 
For now I treat VR as something I might be interested in one day but otherwise it is not something I'll think about until other people I know (including here) have dived in and told me I need to try it.
 
Yea VR is still something I could go either way on. Nothing iv seen has made me claim must own, but then again, iv still yet to actually experience it in person.
 
I think VR is still too expensive to get the "whole" experience, with too many parts you have to buy.

you need the headset, the console/computer, the tracking camera, the controllers, etc.

all that adds up and the games just aren't worth it right now to justify that cost.

maybe in a few years time - if VR really does catch on and evolve and mature.

right now it just feels like an expensive gimmick.
 
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