TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 2

[Sharkboy]

And based on what the reviews say it seems that Snyder did as good of a job as possible with what he had to work with in terms of delivering the story he was given and he also seems to have gotten good performances out of actors. You can't create something out of nothing. But of course as we all knew, if anything went wrong many would try to blame it all on Zack.

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

 

[Glassjaw]

Started reading Empire's review but stopped. Wasn't terribly spoilery plot wise, but it does mention specific things which I wanted to be pleasantly surprised by, not told exactly when to expect it in the movie.

 

[Liam_H]

Okay, I guess I don't know much about the workings of RT. I thought RT labelled them rotten or not rotten.

Nope its all reviewer's choice. If it was actually RT that did it they would get so much **** sent their way of how they could actually give something a rotten for borderline cases.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

Zero blame should go to the person who WROTE THE SCRIPT?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

Nope.

Sorry, but while I completely agree that it's as mad to blame Nolan for the story sucking as it would be to praise him for the film being amazing, if the story sucks it's on Goyer. If the story is awesome, it's on Goyer.

I guess there would be an case for saying that Snyder's ambition with the visuals was SO dominant that it overshadows the story, and you could put some fault on Snyder for that.

But anything about bad writing or not enough character building in the story, is Goyer's issue... not Snyder's.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

I would normally agree with this, but given the way this movie was made I think if it's script/story problems then the blame lay with Goyer and Nolan. Snyder had no say in the script or story.

 

[Liam_H]

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

Don't agree with this since I don't think Snyder had full creative control on the script and story.

 

[G.Godfrey]

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

Lets make one thing perfectly clear here. You don't get to tell me what I say or not, got it? So YOU get out of here with that.

Now, moving on, Snyder didn't touch the story or the script. Several people including Nolan and his wife went public saying they helped on that. Several reviews criticize the aspects from the screenplay. Whose fault is that? You seem to think it is ENTIRELY Snyders. Cute. But factually wrong.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Some people are arguing that it's OK for writers to be lazy, because it's the director's job to do absolutely everything. The hell.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Nope its all reviewer's choice. If it was actually RT that did it they would get so much **** sent their way of how they could actually give something a rotten for borderline cases.

Fair enough. In that case, no it's not the sites fault I forgive them

 

[Joker594]

Fair enough. In that case, no it's not the sites fault I forgive them

Then it's the REVIEWERS' fault!

Spoiler

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[-JKR-]

Guys, if the movie sucks it's pretty much everyone's fault; BUT, of course it's mostly the director's; he's the one who's actually MAKING the movie. It's the work he did, the work he inspired, that's on the screen. That is, of course, unless the studio and producers got in his way, and stopped him from making the movie he wanted. And I don't think that's the case here.
Look at Iron Man. That movie went into production without a script, and look at what great results Jon Favreau got anyway.
Directors DO make or break movies.

 

[Krumm]

Guys there are A LOT more reviews to come. STID has 235 total and IM3 264... give it time.

 

[Liam_H]

Iono, I feel like most of the decisions went down to Goyer/Nolan when it came to story and script considering the cache they have. Sure they probably listened to whatever Snyder had to say but having final say? Probably not.

 

[-JKR-]

Iono, I feel like most of the decisions went down to Goyer/Nolan when it came to story and script considering the cache they have. Sure they probably listened to whatever Snyder had to say but having final say? Probably not.

But the director still has got the (difficult) job to make an actual movie out of a screenplay, and make everything work on the screen. It still takes a director to make the stuff that's on paper shine on the big screen. A decent script can still result in a subpar flick.

 

[Sharkboy]

Lets make one thing perfectly clear here. You don't get to tell me what I say or not, got it? So YOU get out of here with that.

Now, moving on, Snyder didn't touch the story or the script. Several people including Nolan and his wife went public saying they helped on that. Several reviews criticize the aspects from the screenplay. Whose fault is that? You seem to think it is ENTIRELY Snyders. Cute. But factually wrong.

Ridiculous. The director has final say on everything, I guarantee you if everyone were praising this film hardly anyone on here would give a kind word outside of Zack. Just when a few people badmouth the film suddenly everyone is dodging blame. It's that kind of hysterics that ruined the TAS board for me. Because now Apparently Zack Snyder (who hasn't made a film over 75% on rt, not that it matters) is suddenly the only blameless guy, despite it being HIS film.

Oh the double standards, lets wait till this film goes back to the mid 80s then I guess we know who to praise.

 

[Project862006]

But the director still has got the (difficult) job to make an actual movie out of a screenplay, and make everything work on the screen. It still takes a director to make the stuff that's on paper shine on the big screen. A decent script can still result in a subpar flick.

and who says it doesn't make up your own opinion please

some people feel it does and some dont it is called opinions

watchmen has less than 70% on rt and i loved it and it is in my top5 of cbm i didn't base my opinion off rt

 

[JangoNate]

Why do we have reason to believe the movie completely sucks? Because it's got a few reviews on RT and is at 70%. That's saying the movie is decent or good, but not great. It also means if you're a fan of the source material you'll probably like it a lot. The reviewer I follow on IGN gave it a 9. That's usually a good gauge for whether I'll like a film or not.

This is far from GL which got the universal "It sucks!"

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Then it's the REVIEWERS' fault!

Spoiler

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Guys, if the movie sucks it's pretty much everyone's fault; BUT, of course it's mostly the director's; he's the one who's actually MAKING the movie. It's the work he did, the work he inspired, that's on the screen. That is, of course, unless the studio and producers got in his way, and stopped him from making the movie he wanted. And I don't think that's the case here.
Look at Iron Man. That movie went into production without a script, and look at what great results Jon Favreau got anyway.
Directors matter!

Nah, sorry. I still don't think it'd be right to blame Snyder if the script/plot doesn't work for whatever reason.

For one thing, he's never been a particularly good writer/storyman. That wasn't 'his job' in this three way team up. He was supposed to bring the visuals, and get the best out of the actors, and by all accounts, he held up his end.

Goyer/Nolan are the ones we were looking to with wide eyed hope that they'd come up with an awesome story and idea. And while we all had a few worries about whether Goyer's script would be strong enough, or would have too many 'Goyerisms', we trusted that was being looked after by Nolan and that it would be solid.

 

[bholliday]

Confused as to what is going on in here. The majority of reviews are good- great!

 

[Liam_H]

Confused as to what is going on in here. The majority of reviews are good- great!

Meltdowns of some form are expected when big movies are released. All part of the fun.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Oh please. Lets not do this, when MoS was looking superb everyone was sure Nolan had nothing to do with it, because it's the directors movie. Now after a few negative reviews its all Nolan and Goyer at fault? Get out of here with that thinking, it's Snyders movie, he gets all the praise and all the blame. If this film is good, it's because of him. If its bad its without a doubt entirely his fault.

All films, especially big movies like this, are a COLLABORATIVE process. THe director naturally gets the bulk of the praise/blame, but of course the writers/producers/actors also bear a big chunk of the responsibility. In this case more than usual, given everything we were told about the Nolans' involvement. And I was worried about Goyer's and Nolan's script and it looks like my fears are justified.

That said if the TF movies can make a billion each, the spectacle alone should bring in enough cash to justify a sequel and/or a JL movie.

 

[Project862006]

Confused as to what is going on in here. The majority of reviews are good- great!

people overreacting like usual the movie is doomed because it has 9 negative reviews even tho dark knight rises has 39 negative reviews

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Guys you do know this is a very small sample.
3 more positive reviews and it would be at 80%
I don't even consider the B- and 3/5 reviews to be negative tbh. That is why the average score so far is 7.5/10
But we will see.

 

[Adder]

The RT score is now at 71% and falling fast. looks like we got a another DC FAIL on our hands...