TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 2

[hopefuldreamer]

Screw it, I don't care as long as the GA love it and spread word of mouth that way.

Though reading a lot of the negative ones, some of the complaints again seem to be about Lois and the Lois/Supes relationship, which is a bit sad.

I mean, I half expected it, but it's still sad.

 

[G.Godfrey]

But as a director, you've still got to have the right storytelling sensibilities to successfuly transfer a story and script to the big screen. And that's an area where's he's been lacking so far. That, and getting sincere and interesting performances out of his actors.

And based on what the reviews say it seems that Snyder did as good of a job as possible with what he had to work with in terms of delivering the story he was given and he also seems to have gotten good performances out of actors. You can't create something out of nothing. But of course as we all knew, if anything went wrong many would try to blame it all on Zack.

 

[robot]

He didn't write the story.

No, but directors makes all the difference... same writers different directors and you'll have completely different finished products.....

 

[Project862006]

But as a director, you've still got to have the right storytelling sensibilities to successfuly transfer a story and script to the big screen. A subpar director can always **** up a great script. And that's an area where Snyder has been lacking so far. That, and getting sincere and interesting performances out of his actors. I've found the acting to be mostly stiff in his previous movies.

snyder always gets good performances

outside of ackerman his entire watchmen cast was damn stellar and all gave good performances

and reviews have been praising the performances even the negative

 

[robot]

Snyder didn't write the story or the script. Several reviewers were sure to mention that and give him kudos while (rightfully) criticizing both Nolan and Goyer. If there are truly big problems with those aspects it's down to them, not Snyder.

Don't directors have the final say in the script, or screenplay? Unless Snyder is just a stooge, or 'yes man', then he would have molded a bad script into gold..

 

[-JKR-]

And based on what the reviews say it seems that Snyder did as good of a job as possible with what he had to work with in terms of delivering the story he was given and he also seems to have gotten good performances out of actors. You can't create something out of nothing. But of course as we all knew, if anything went wrong many would try to blame it all on Zack.

Man, right now I can only judge based on what I've seen so far from previous movie. And until now, Christopher Nolan sure has a better track record with storytelling and acting, while I haven't been thrilled with Zack Snyder's work so far.
We'll see, I really hope he'll do better in those areas I've found him lacking in his previous movie.

snyder always gets good performances

outside of ackerman his entire watchmen cast was damn stellar and all gave good performances

and reviews have been praising the performances even the negative

Someone else on the SHH! forums has probably had the best description of the performances in Snyder's movies so far; or at least, what I've been thinking of the perfomances, aswell: it's like they're acting in a vacuum.
I feel like the performers often don't have the space needed to breathe life into their performances, but instead have to adjust to the stylistic elements surrounding them.

Watchmen is probably the best example of Snyder's weaknesses. The graphic novel is an exciting, deep and exhilarating deconstruction of superheroes vs. the (a-)morality and corruption of the real world. A honest, raw look at what superheroes would/could be like in real life. The comic is gritty and sincere. That all gets bogged down due to the style over substance, pretentious, stiff directing. And in that case, talk about having to create a story out of nothing (I. Don't. Think. So).

 

[Saitou Hajime]

It's not good, but it's still early. This could be like StiD again.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

btw, if you're going to look at reviews, you should look at the average rating in RT (7.4), not the tomatometer, which just means positives vs negatives (aka nothing).

Both a 50% tomatometer and a 100% can still both be a 7.5/10 average rating

IM3, despite its 78% tomatometer has an average rating of 6.9.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

btw, if you're going to look at reviews, you should look at the average rating in RT (7.4), not the tomatometer, which just means positives vs negatives (aka nothing).

A 100% tomatometer can still be a 6/10 average rating.

Thank you

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No way this movie worse than Superman Returns.

RT is on the verge of universally discrediting themselves among fanboys like never before.

 

[-JKR-]

No way this movie worse than Superman Returns.

RT is on the verge of universally discrediting themselves among fanboys like never before.

Like it's RT fault if critics didn't like the movie. That website is just a database for reviews, which results in an average of critics liking vs not liking a movie.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

No way this movie worse than Superman Returns.

RT is on the verge of universally discrediting themselves among fanboys like never before.

If that happens, I am refusing to acknowledge that site ever again

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Like it's RT fault if critics didn't like the movie. That website is just a database for reviews, which results in an average of critics liking vs not liking a movie.

Yes, but as others have pointed out, sometimes a fairly highly rated review ends up being marked as rotten... which I don't really understand.

 

[Liam_H]

Somebody at WB is getting a demotion, they weren't suppose to let in all these negative reviews before at least 100 positive were counted.

 

[Joker594]

Like it's RT fault if critics didn't like the movie. That website is just a database for reviews, which results in an average of critics liking vs not liking a movie.

True, but I think a lot of the criticism of RottenTomatoes surrounds their idea of whether or not a critic dislikes or likes a movie.

To a lot of people, it's rather illogical to equate a "B-" to a "rotten" rating.

 

[Liam_H]

Yes, but as others have pointed out, sometimes a fairly highly rated review ends up being marked as rotten... which I don't really understand.

And that isn't the sites fault either, if they made a mistake they will correct it in time.

Do a lot people here still think its RT itself that determines whether a review is rotten or fresh?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

And that isn't the sites fault either, if they made a mistake they will correct it in time.

How is a mistake not the sites fault?

 

[CGHulk]

We've got 9 rotten and 22 fresh reviews so far!

 

[robot]

I don't think we have to worry about RT scores...

Here's my thought on the matter:

1. People who loved it, love it because of the spectacle and the 'action'.. and describes it as the BEST action movie of ALL time...

2. The people who don't like it, went deeper.. they are looking for a good story, an engaging story, good character development, which I think at this point, after seeing so many reviews and Zack's track record in this dept, we are pretty sure is going to be 'bland'.... or at best 'not too engaging'... maybe just 'alrite'..

So, based on the above, NO WORRIES.. why? Because the general audience loves their 'action', and 'fun time' at the movies... they don't worry too much about 'story, or characters'... the WOM will be crazy just for the record breaking action sequences itself... look at Transformers (action, action, action, no story).. for instance... or, Fast 6 (nuts in the logic department, but fun as hell)

 

[Liam_H]

How is a mistake not the sites fault?

You originally said you don't understand how B- could be rotten and that's what I'm referring to because its the reviewers choice. So if that happens to be a mistake on their part by mislabeling they will correct it.

 

[Project862006]

71%

 

[-JKR-]

I agree and the weird thing is that people pretty much know that they won't agree with the negative reviews (hence why they get angry at them), which should make the RT score mean even less. The same really goes for how much money a movie makes at the box office. Sure it affects the chances of there being sequels but in terms of movie quality it means very little as that's something we judge on our own.

Still I can't help but get a little amused at the anger these things stir up. Not because I want any movie to be bad, just for the fact that the phenomenon is funny.

Yeah, it kinda is.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You originally said you don't understand how B- could be rotten and that's what I'm referring to because its the reviewers choice. So if that happens to be a mistake on their part by mislabeling they will correct it.

Okay, I guess I don't know much about the workings of RT. I thought RT labelled them rotten or not rotten.

 

[CGHulk]

There's only 31 reviews in so far, the number of reviews will go over 200.

 

[Project862006]

I don't think we have to worry about RT scores...

Here's my thought on the matter:

1. People who loved it, love it because of the spectacle and the 'action'.. and describes it as the BEST action movie of ALL time...

2. The people who don't like it, went deeper.. they are looking for a good story, an engaging story, good character development, which I think at this point, after seeing so many reviews and Zack's track record in this dept, we are pretty sure is going to be 'bland'.... or at best 'not too engaging'... maybe just 'alrite'..

So, based on the above, NO WORRIES.. why? Because the general audience loves their 'action', and 'fun time' at the movies... they don't worry too much about 'story, or characters'... the WOM will be crazy just for the record breaking action sequences itself... look at Transformers (action, action, action, no story).. for instance... or, Fast 6 (nuts in the logic department, but fun as hell)

huh many of the positive review especially members on this very site did not just love it because of some fun epic action they liked the acting,story and likeable characters on top of action