TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 2

[DarthDorranceBane]

this part of the thread will be looked at as funny once more reviews sets in.

 

[-JKR-]

Yeah, i'm bored of what your saying now.

Sorry, but I can't respect anyone who is unwilling to accept that Goyer/Nolan have any responsibility for the script/story that THEY came up with not being up to scratch.

It's utter blind fanboyism.

Can you read? Do I say ANYWHERE that Goyer/Nolan have any responsibility for the story and script? I've just said that, based on their previous collaboration, I'd entrust them more with the script, rather than Snyder.

It's incredible how ******** people can be, even without a reason.

 

[Mjölnir]

The buck stops with the director...

If the story sucks, the director have the right to have it redone..... he's the DIRECTOR.. he's got ALL THE POWER...

Unless he doesn't.. and if he doesn't, then he's not really the director, just a 'visual effects manager'...

Try giving Steven Spielberg a bad script...

Indiana Jones 4.

But of course the director is the one with the most responsibility on the crew.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is terrific. If the film is weak and your a Snyder fanboy, it is Nolan's fault. If the movie is great, the same fanboys will give Nolan no credit and talk about how incredible Snyder's vision is.

 

[Project862006]

The buck stops with the director...

If the story sucks, the director have the right to have it redone..... he's the DIRECTOR.. he's got ALL THE POWER...

Unless he doesn't.. and if he doesn't, then he's not really the director, just a 'visual effects manager'...

Try giving Steven Spielberg a bad script...

well we got war of the worlds and ij4 so thats what happens

 

[Green Ghost]

Guys you do know this is a very small sample.
3 more positive reviews and it would be at 80%
I don't even consider the B- and 3/5 reviews to be negative tbh. That is why the average score so far is 7.5/10
But we will see.

They consider B- and 3/5 as rotten? That is why I don't like their system...

 

[king666]

I just want to say that the majority of the negative reviews are boiling down to this not being a Donner film and Superman not being Christopher Reeve. I wouldn't be too concerned about the film until I see a review that judges the film on it's own merits.

Yep.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

well we got war of the worlds and ij4 so thats what happens

Two good films happened, that I enjoy quite a bit.

 

[Liam_H]

They consider B- and 3/5 as rotten? That is why I don't like their system...

Well it isn't their decision.

 

[robot]

I just want to say that the majority of the negative reviews are boiling down to this not being a Donner film and Superman not being Christopher Reeve. I wouldn't be too concerned about the film until I see a review that judges the film on it's own merits.

Not true:

"The movie can't decide if it wants to be a particularly thoughtful brand of superhero saga or a deafeningly generic summer action movie. "

"Mostly, Man of Steel is preoccupied with its own spectacle. There's so much heaviness here that, ironically, nothing seems to have its own weight."

"The gravity that cloaks ''Man of Steel'' is merely an en vogue costume."

"Man Of Steel just keeps bouncing from big scene to big scene. What's missing is the strong connective tissue inbetween them - the film doesn't earn its big moments and this highlight-reel cinema leaves little room for character development."

"Man of Steel begins to labour even as the visual spectacle intensifies: no amount of whip-pans and crash-zooms, spaceship flameouts or collapsing edifices can compensate for an inert focal relationship."

I can go on.. but you get the idea... it's the 'story, and character development'... we already know that's zack's weakness...

But it won't matter.. this movie will be big precisely because of the spectacle.. it won't come near to Avatar big because let's just say James Cameron knows how to please EVERYONE... his movies have the requisite 'story telling, character building, focal relationships between characters, like a love story', and the big spectacle to go with...

 

[redfirebird2008]

Indiana Jones 4.

JP2 as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They consider B- and 3/5 as rotten? That is why I don't like their system...

You should first understand the system before you criticize it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Can you read? Do I say ANYWHERE that Goyer/Nolan have any responsibility for the story and script? I've just said that, based on their previous collaboration, I'd entrust them more with the script, rather than Snyder.

It's incredible how ******** people can be, even without a reason.

That is exactly what I said in my original post that you decided to argue with...

For one thing, he's never been a particularly good writer/storyman. That wasn't 'his job' in this three way team up. He was supposed to bring the visuals, and get the best out of the actors, and by all accounts, he held up his end.

Goyer/Nolan are the ones we were looking to with wide eyed hope that they'd come up with an awesome story and idea. And while we all had a few worries about whether Goyer's script would be strong enough, or would have too many 'Goyerisms', we trusted that was being looked after by Nolan and that it would be solid.

So what's you're point again?

 

[Sup3rman81]

why do critics and fans think they need to focus on the relationship between Lois and Clark in the first movie? He doesnt even know her and you can tell they start to build a bond in the movie. Cant we wait for the sequel to be about them both. This is MOS which is about Clark's journey not Lois.

 

[Krumm]

Hey everyone! There are plenty more reviews coming!

 

[TDK010]

A lot of the negative reviews on RT are rooted in the critic not embracing the new take on the psychology of Superman. With comments like "too dark" and an overly serious tone. I for one, couldn't care less what they think. I love the look of the film and I don't want gags here and there just for the sake of making the audience laugh. You don't like this new serious and troubled Superman, well tough. Go and watch a comedy if you want to laugh. It's about time this iconic character be taken seriously.

 

[robot]

well we got war of the worlds and ij4 so thats what happens

LOL, I actually liked both...

War of the Worlds is an example of a poor script turned 'good thriller movie' by a great director..

IJ4 is just a fun filled adventure.. and yes, it definitely could be better...

but if that's the worse you can come up with, I rest my case...

 

[hopefuldreamer]

This is terrific. If the film is weak and your a Snyder fanboy, it is Nolan's fault. If the movie is great, the same fanboys will give Nolan no credit and talk about how incredible Snyder's vision is.

Again... No. If the SCRIPT is weak, it's Goyer's and partly Nolan's fault.

That is all that is being said here...

If the movie is weak for any reasons other than that, it'll be on Snyder. Bad pacing, bad performances, clunky arrangements, overuse of shaky cam or slow mo, too much action, the tone and colours etc etc. There are plenty of things that will fall on him.

 

[Moridin]

The buck stops with the director...

If the story sucks, the director have the right to have it redone..... he's the DIRECTOR.. he's got ALL THE POWER...

Not necessarily, especially with big studio blockbusters. With Snyders track record there's no way he was given complete control & freedom of a $200m movie.

 

[-JKR-]

That is exactly what I said in my original post that you decided to argue with...

You're not making any sense, dude. To sum this up, before you get caught up in your own blind rage, pal... dude... amigo...

My point of view:
- So far, the collaboration between Christopher Nolan & David S. Goyer has resulted in better movies, IMHO
- So far, Zack Snyder has had problems with storytelling and characters

That's ALL I've said, and based on that, you're accusing me of... what's the term? "Fanboyism"? Get the hell outta here, man. We'll discuss when you can get past childish terms such as that.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, i'm bored of what your saying now.

Sorry, but I can't respect anyone who is unwilling to accept that Goyer/Nolan have any responsibility for the script/story that THEY came up with not being up to scratch.

It's utter blind fanboyism.

When I heard that One hour of the movie was chopped down on in the editing room, i was afraid that movie would look an action fest, the character development that was part of the script was sacrificed in order to get a smaller run-time, which would result in uneven pacing and poor character development, something that critics don't like.

Then critics are getting bored of watching all all the action scenes which were welcomed in Avengers, had this movie been released before Avengers, many critics would have tolerated it, now it's all "we have seen this before" the novelty aspect of alien invasion has worn off.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Down to 59%?

Seriously?

 

[robot]

why do critics and fans think they need to focus on the relationship between Lois and Clark in the first movie? He doesnt even know her and you can tell they start to build a bond in the movie. Cant we wait for the sequel to be about them both. This is MOS which is about Clark's journey not Lois.

Of course they can.. with the stroke of the pen... they don't even have to give up much to do it..

For example, maybe during all of Clark's growing up moments, make them about Lois as well.. Lois as a baby growing up and crossing paths with Clark, each don't know each other... etc.. interweave their lives... I am not a romance novelist.. but i am sure they can hire a bunch of writers to make it work...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Again... No. If the SCRIPT is weak, it's Goyer's and partly Nolan's fault.

That is all that is being said here...

And if the script is weak, how will you know without actually reading the script? It is the director's job to bring the work to life. What if the director fails at that? What if the idea is great, but the script writer fails? What if the script is great but he director doesn't bring it to life? How is that the scripts fault?

Just look at Watchmen for incredible idea, weak script, and director who misses the point.

 

[Mjölnir]

LOL people complaining about the story really??! Avengers had one of the weakest stories in recent film history. It was all action and CGI effects. the acting was terrible aside from RDJ and there was no story. Whedon gets praise for putting a ***** film together that was nothing more than popcorn fun. MOS even with a rating of 71% almost sits at an 8/10 average rating. that is pretty damn good if you ask me. RT scoring system is so flawed. even if a critic didnt love it but liked it, RT seems to take that as Rotten. I will go by the Cinescore and what movie goers think

This comment about the Avengers managed to compete with the "whatever" review in nuance. That's ironic since you previously complained about such things.

And RT doesn't take it as rotten, it's the reviewers themselves that decide if it's rotten or fresh. It's basically the reviewer saying "yes/no" to the question if he thinks we should go see it. So there's no flaw in the system, it's just people treating it as more important than it is.