TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 4

[ikt36]

I think too many people on here are way too defensive of this movie, without even having seen it.

Now the movie hasn't gotten universal acclaim because it's not mainstream enough? A majority of the reviews I've read actually say the opposite: the movie tries to be something it isn't, a deep science-fiction drama, and also shows hints of greatness, but ultimately it fails to pay off what promised and turns into "just another mainstream blockbuster." That's where the comments about the lack of humor also fit in. And that's where your responses make even less sense, guys. People are not asking for silly characters and slapstick humor! If you take yourself as seriously as this movie seemingly does, you better get your **** together. Otherwise you'll come off as silly. Humor, even subtle, is a great tool in storytelling. But of course blind fanboy rage will lead to responses such as "the lolz...they want the Batman & Robinz...silly critics... bunchofidiotzzzz...LOOOLLZZZ...want humooorzzz...". Some humor doesn't mean the movie will be campy; it just means some levity for a couple of moments.

You've even gotten to the point where you have to somehow justify other movies' better reviews?! Give me a break!

Anyway, I have my fair shair of doubts about the movie. Always had: I've found Zack Snyder to be style over substance so far, and to have difficulties with storytelling and characters; but I hope and think that Christopher Nolan's involvement as producer has reigned him in somewhat; I'm still looking forward to the movie, as the recent previews have been looking good. I'm expecting solid popcorn fair, at least better than Snyder's previous movies, and that's what we're getting. The reviews are even solid! So... I simply don't get the end-of-world mentality on these forums. And much less I get the complaints about the critics... who simply didn't think the movie was great. Grow up, guys; AND - don't worry! We'll all see the movie for ourselves!

 

[samsnee]

Because everyone wants bragging rights. They want critics to validate to the masses what they believe to be true. The only review that should matter is your own. It's ok to have discussion on what you think worked and didn't work, but sometimes people get a little too intense on trying to change others opinions.

 

[TheFuture]

I think too many people on here are way too defensive of this movie, without even having seen it.

Now the movie hasn't gotten universal acclaim because it's not mainstream enough? A majority of the reviews I've read actually say the opposite: the movie tries to be something it isn't, a deep science-fiction drama, and also shows hints of greatness, but ultimately it fails to pay off what promised and turns into "just another mainstream blockbuster." That's where the comments about the lack of humor also fit in. And that's where your responses make even less sense, guys. People are not asking for silly characters and slapstick humor! If you take yourself as seriously as this movie seemingly does, you better get your **** together. Otherwise you'll come off as silly. Humor, even subtle, is a great tool in storytelling. But of course blind fanboy rage will lead to responses such as "the lolz...they want the Batman & Robinz...silly critics... bunchofidiotzzzz...LOOOLLZZZ...want humooorzzz...". Some humor doesn't mean the movie will be campy; it just means some levity for a couple of moments.

You've even gotten to the point where you have to somehow justify other movies' better reviews?! Give me a break!

Anyway, I have my fair shair of doubts about the movie. Always had: I've found Zack Snyder to be style over substance so far, and to have difficulties with storytelling and characters; but I hope and think that Christopher Nolan's involvement as producer has reigned him in somewhat; I'm still looking forward to the movie, as the recent previews have been looking good. I'm expecting solid popcorn fair, at least better than Snyder's previous movies, and that's what we're getting. The reviews are even solid! So... I simply don't get the end-of-world mentality on these forums. And much less I get the complaints about the critics... who simply didn't think the movie was great. Grow up, guys; AND - don't worry! We'll all see the movie for ourselves!

The side who are capitalizing on the mixed reviews, using it as some sort of cast iron proof that the film has failed, are just as bad to be honest. And that's coming from someone who has mostly been observing the thread and not posting.

 

[-JKR-]

The side who are capitalizing on the mixed reviews, using it as some sort of cast iron proof that the film has failed, are just as bad to be honest. And that's coming from someone who has mostly been observing the thread and not posting.

Of course, man. That's why I've even been pointing out that it's actually getting decent reviews, despite not being universally acclaimed as a great movie. But those people, and the fans who are overreacting and are trying to justify the fact that this is not being praised as a masterpiece, or something short of it, should just grow up and turn on their brains before posting: they are just two sides of the same coin. Frankly, it's an idiotic behaviour.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

All I know is that Patton Oswalt said he was down with MOS. That alone means I'll probably be down with MOS too.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Truth is, no matter how much we say reviews dont matter, we still are obsessed with those, because we want validation, because we want other people to like what we like, although I personally have a weird affliction, I tend to not like it when something that I like gets popular ^^

 

[J.Howlett]

Truth is, no matter how much we say reviews dont matter, we still are obsessed with those, because we want validation, because we want other people to like what we like, although I personally have a weird affliction, I tend to not like it when something that I like gets popular ^^

While it may matter, it seems since the explosion of the genre, the obsession of what the critics, especially the online bloggers, has gotten extreme.

No?

 

[Willi Berg]

For some reason I am just not that worried about these reviews because I just feel like MOS will be a big success.

 

[-JKR-]

Truth is, no matter how much we say reviews dont matter, we still are obsessed with those, because we want validation, because we want other people to like what we like, although I personally have a weird affliction, I tend to not like it when something that I like gets popular ^^

You should all go take a hike. Do something else. And learn to think on your own. When you like something, there's no ****ing need for others to validate your opinion. That's a bad inferiority complex; and in real life, needing validation to one's own opinions doesn't lead to anything good!

For example, I thought The Avengers was fun, but quite forgettable, and lacking in several departments. On the other hand I loved the hell out of Iron Man 3, and thought it was a smart, fresh, thrilling and exhilarating movie, and probably Marvel's best entry yet (together with Favreau's first IM). You think critics are going to back me up on that? I don't think so. But it's my opinion; and one I'm firmly convinced of. I don't need validation. I know what I enjoy!

 

[Tim_Riggins]

It has, yeah, definitely, but I think we're just wired to care. As James Cameron said in an interview a couple of days ago, the problem with opinions is that everybody has one

Truth is, critics are useless in a way, these are people, most of whom, are being paid (realize that ! PAID) to see movies and then tell the whole world if the movie is good or not, but, we should be telling ourselves (although we've been saying this over and over again, and nothing changes): "But who gives a shi t what these snobs think?"

I have a few guys whose opinion I trust because it mirrors mine like Steve "Frosty" Weintraub from Collider or Alex Billington from Firstshowing, or Peter Sciretta from /Film. But I'm not going to not watch if a movie if they think it's bad.

If anything, sometimes, bad or scathing reviews make me want to see the disaster for myself.

Nobody should be paid to watch movies and tell you what they think of it, thing is, each person is different, unique, will see something you might not see, or will perceive something you might not, will feel things that you wont or YOU will feel something else.

I gave examples of movies that are very personal to me, that make me feel a lot of things, when someone else will be completely oblivious to those. And I also like that, sometimes, being able to see things differently, to see something that someone else might not (not to be arrogant, it just happens all the time).


There is however a fact that critics (the good ones) are more apt at saying whether a movie is good or not than the average joe.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

You should all go take a hike. Do something else. And learn to think on your own. When you like something, there's no ****ing need for others to validate your opinion. That's a bad inferiority complex; and in real life, needing validation to one's own opinions doesn't lead to anything good!

For example, I thought The Avengers was fun, but quite forgettable, and lacking in several departments. On the other hand I loved the hell out of Iron Man 3, and thought it was a smart, fresh, thrilling and exhilerating movie, and probably Marvel's best entry yet (together with Favreau's first IM). You think critics are going to back me up on that? I don't think so. But it's my opinion; and one I'm firmly convinced of. I don't need validation. I know what I enjoy!

Is this an attack? I'm just stating what is happening, dont get on your high horse.

 

[-JKR-]

Is this an attack? I'm just stating what is happening, dont get on your high horse.

It's not an attack, it's an advice.

 

[Krumm]

This thread is like watching the stages of grief.

Are we finally at "acceptance?"

 

[CristiMAN]

This thread is like watching the stages of grief.

Are we finally at "acceptance?"

Without having seen the movie for ourselfs... Absolute crazy...

 

[hulk24]

Well , the 2nd half of Begins is the worst thing Nolan has ever done , so i understand those quotes. The thing is Begins first half is the best thing put on celluloid in the superhero genre , so although uneven , people enjoy the movie.

It doesn't surprise me these sort of reviews. It's a Zack Snyder film. I dont understand what people are expecting.

92% of tdkr is the worst thing Nolan has ever done.....but don't get me started....all of begins and tdk and b89 is my favorites in order I worked on tdkr in Pittsburgh, I've stated how the entire production just wanted to be done with batman as fast as possible and it showed with laughable plot lines twists and massive plot holes and a rushed movie.

 

[Sharkboy]

92% of tdkr is the worst thing Nolan has ever done.....but don't get me started....all of begins and tdk and b89 is my favorites in order I worked on tdkr in Pittsburgh, I've stated how the entire production just wanted to be done with batman as fast as possible and it showed with laughable plot lines twists and massive plot holes and a rushed movie.

 

[jmc]

This thread is like watching the stages of grief.

Are we finally at ''acceptance?''

It's like that with every nerdy franchise. There's a twisted part of me that kinda enjoys fans losing their collective minds when the glowing reviews don't eventuate.

 

[Adder]

68% watch this score below Superman Returns

 

[-JKR-]

It's like that with every nerdy franchise. There's a twisted part of me that kinda enjoys fans losing their collective minds when the glowing reviews don't eventuate.

Yeah. You're not alone. It's fun one side, on the other side it saddens me to see that a logical, intelligent discussion is barely possible when talking about these kind of movies.

 

[Sup3rman81]

68% watch this score below Superman Returns

It is back up to 69% with 31/14 reviews....funny how with 1 negative it drops 2% and one positive moves it up 1%. But the reviews will flood in by Thursday and Friday. so with it staying around 68-70% I would say it could go anywhere from 65-75% after those midnight and friday showings

 

[Mjölnir]

It is back up to 69% with 31/14 reviews....funny how with 1 negative it drops 2% and one positive moves it up 1%. But the reviews will flood in by Thursday and Friday. so with it staying around 68-70% I would say it could go anywhere from 65-75% after those midnight and friday showings

Negative votes do more since the movie is on the positive side (above 50%). The ratio right now is roughly 2:1 fresh and rotten, so to maintain it you need two new fresh reviews for every rotten one.

 

[alexlachiusa]

To everyone worrying about what score it has on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/forrest_gump/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/last_samurai/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fear_and_loathing_in_las_vegas/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/american_psycho/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fight_club/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gladiator/

Also:

 

[EdwardTulane82]

Nobody should be paid to watch movies and tell you what they think of it, thing is, each person is different, unique, will see something you might not see, or will perceive something you might not, will feel things that you wont or YOU will feel something else.

I gave examples of movies that are very personal to me, that make me feel a lot of things, when someone else will be completely oblivious to those. And I also like that, sometimes, being able to see things differently, to see something that someone else might not (not to be arrogant, it just happens all the time).

Hear hear

Just to throw in my two cents here, I actually get quite a lot of emotional and spiritual inspiration from a number of films, and I pick things up from them that apply to my own emotional and spiritual life.

Granted, there are a lot of movies out there that are pretty much just for entertainment, but then there are a lot of movies out there that you can get something meaningful out of if you're tuned in, and they can be entertaining as well.

That's because every film (even documentaries) tell a story. Sometimes those stories can be pretty shallow and meaningless, but other times they can be rich and have a lot of depth.

I'm not just interested in seeing Man Of Steel for the action (though I am interested in that, for sure ), and not just because I'm a lifelong Superman fan (though I am, even ran around with a pillow case as a cape when I was a kid, lol ), but also because I enjoy much of the mythology and symbolism inherent in the character.

Usually when I go to see a movie, I go not just to be entertained, but I tune in to see if something maybe jumps out at me, an image, a line of dialogue, that may mean something to me emotionally or spiritually.

Of course there are a lot of people who just want to be entertained, and there's nothing wrong with that, but there are people out there like me that like a little depth now and then

Take something like Superman Returns for example, which is often considered to be a letdown by a lot of Superman fans.
I'll admit in many ways it was a letdown (not enough action, or rather not enough fighting, just heavy lifting; the script was too much of a replay of Donner's first film, etc), but in other ways I appreciated it.

I remember being in awe during the scene where Supes is trying to stop the falling plane when I first saw it in IMAX years ago, and there were times that I was moved even, including at the end when Supes shared his heart with his son. I thought what he shared with him (and what Jor-El before had shared with him) was poetic and heartfelt, and it meant something to me.

But then I realize that some might think Superman catching a falling plane in SR was underwhelming, or that what he shared with his son was just more cheesy dialogue, and that's okay.

We're all different, and one man's trash is another man's treasure.

I imagine that I'll enjoy Man Of Steel, namely because I'm a big Superman fan and have enjoyed, in one way or another, all of the previous films (obviously the first two are classics... and Annette O'Toole was great as Lana Lang in Superman III, I thought, and Superman IV... well, I haven't seen it for a long time, so I'll have to get back to you on that one ), including Superman Returns, and I've also enjoyed all of Zack Snyder's movies (even Sucker Punch, which I think is underrated... it was pretty weird and confusing at times, but certainly entertaining, at least for me... Babydoll's battle with the giant robot samurai warriors was my favorite part ), and all in all I'm a pretty forgiving moviegoer, who isn't one to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Anyways, just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

And hey guys, about Rotten Tomatoes, not all of the reviews have come in yet, so let's wait and see

But whatever the case, I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie, as Superman has always been my favorite superhero

Peace guys

Matt

 

[uniqueweasel]

If any of you guys haven't seen or heard any of them before, you should check Kevin Smith's rants about critics, and how pointless they are.

 

[Sharkboy]

It's like that with every nerdy franchise. There's a twisted part of me that kinda enjoys fans losing their collective minds when the glowing reviews don't eventuate.

Thank god..I thought i was the only one and I was some sort of sociopath.

EDIT: Gladiator got 77%!? what the f'n hell...is nothing sacred?