TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 4

[TheFuture]

I have to be honest... I never expected this somewhat middling critical reaction.

67% on RT. 58/100 on Meta Critic.

I will admit, I always had my reservations about Goyer and Snyder, but I was still hoping this was going to be Superman's Batman Begins.

I know it's still early days, but sometimes when this kind of stigma dust settles it can be hard to shake it off.

I remember when reviews started to trickle out for TDKR and they were all full of ecstatic praise. But then when the dust settled as you put it the mixed to negative reviews started to come out.

What I'm trying to say is that it's early days, and there's no need to panic yet as things can change quickly.

All this being said though, you shouldn't let critics affect your enjoyment of a film. I absolutely adored TDKR because it was exactly what I wanted (heavy focus on Bruce rather than Batman and the emotional trauma he's been through). Reviewers were critical about the very thing that gave me so much satisfaction from the film. So I know what I like and what I want from MOS and if it hits the spot for me, then that's all I care about to be honest (barring any unmitigated disaster that would stop a sequel in its' tracks of course).

 

[Autonet]

When it comes down to it, what's more important: Box office, fan exception or critical rating?



Just saying that the casuals can give a **** less about critical reactions to the movie, that's all haha. The people I've come in contact with are still uber- excited.

I've said it a thousand times, but GA will like it, BO will do well, and no one on SHH will walk out saying "Wow that sucked."

 

[Notrip]

What is even weirder is at the current rating Man of Steel would not rank in the top 20 of best comic-book movies according to RT. Below the likes of Batman Returns/Thor/X-men/Amazing Spider-man/Iron Man 2 and 3/Capt. America:FA/Batman 89/urgh Superman Returns/Kick-a**/Sin City

If it stays at 67 it would tie with Incredible Hulk and just above Watchmen, Spider-man 3, and Hulk

Would be #24 on RT in terms of Comic-book movies

 

[robot]

Yea, I don't get how that works. It's averaging the same as Superman Returns which finished at 76%.

The thing I don't get is, RT still shows the average rating is 7/10. How is that possible given the percentage?

The fresh/rotten is merely based on pass/fail by the reviewer.. ie, whether they'll recommend it or not.. they can still give it a relatively high rating like say a 3/5, or even a 3.5/5 but still not recommend it...

It looks like the people who loved it gave it very high marks, and the ones who didn't, gave it somewhat OK marks.. so they average up higher than the pass/fail...

This sucka better be good. I not only bought the walmart 7 pm showing tickets for tomorrow nite, but also tickets for the midnite showing...
I have faith that its gonna blow me away.

You'll still be blown away... please report back on how full your theater is... It'll be interesting to see how the Wal-Mart tickets are selling...

Out of curiosity. What is the main complaint from all the critics? Do they all agree on the same thing?

1. Lack of character development (or maybe too many characters and none was well developed), good story, coherence, direction

Instead of making a blockbuster Superman movie, Snyder has turned the Superman narrative into yet another modern day blockbuster.

The gravity that cloaks ''Man of Steel'' is merely an en vogue costume.

The movie can't decide if it wants to be a particularly thoughtful brand of superhero saga or a deafeningly generic summer action movie. So it ends up being both, to the detriment of it and us.

Man Of Steel just keeps bouncing from big scene to big scene. What's missing is the strong connective tissue inbetween them - the film doesn't earn its big moments and this highlight-reel cinema leaves little room for character development.

Man of Steel begins to labour even as the visual spectacle intensifies: no amount of whip-pans and crash-zooms, spaceship flameouts or collapsing edifices can compensate for an inert focal relationship.

Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty.

"Man of Steel" has too many characters and too much plot, resulting in a movie that feels overstuffed and overlong.

2. Lack of humor, dry, long and boring, tedious.. (sounds like Nolan's fault here)

"Utterly devoid of wit or charm"

"Never has a race to save the fate of humankind seemed so tedious."

3. Too much mindless action for action's sake (presumably the same sort of mindless action, like transformers)

"The film doesn't lack for spectacle, but after a while its emphasis on grand gestures and unwavering gravitas stops feeling heroic and begins to seem like overkill."

Mostly, the minutes stretch into great expanses of blahness, much of them filled with Transformers-grade skyscraper snapping and bloodless catastrophe.

 

[BatLobster]

I have to be honest... I never expected this somewhat middling critical reaction.

67% on RT. 58/100 on Meta Critic.

I will admit, I always had my reservations about Goyer and Snyder, but I was still hoping this was going to be Superman's Batman Begins.

I know it's still early days, but sometimes when this kind of stigma dust settles it can be hard to shake it off.

As long as it performs well at the BO and the GA loves it, the only stigma it will have is being a huge overall success despite the lukewarm critical response. Which really isn't the worst stigma to have, if you still want to call it that.

If the reviews end up putting a noticeable dent in its BO receipts then that's a whole different story. I don't anticipate they will though.

 

[Tony Stark]

1 day from release and it hasn't been certified fresh. That's not good folks. At 67% and Roeper, and the Forbes reviews still haven't been counted. I don't see this getting back to 70%, hopefully it will stay in the 60's.

 

[-JKR-]

Hopefully, guys... I will like the movie.

And now everybody repeat with me and chill!

 

[bholliday]

What is even weirder is at the current rating Man of Steel would not rank in the top 20 of best comic-book movies according to RT. Below the likes of Batman Returns/Thor/X-men/Amazing Spider-man/Iron Man 2 and 3/Capt. America:FA/Batman 89/urgh Superman Returns

If it stays at 67 it would tie with Incredible Hulk and just above Watchmen, Spider-man 3, and Hulk

Would be #22 on RT in terms of Comic-book movies

Why do you care?

If you walk out of the movie pumped? Mission accomplished.

If it makes over 600 mil/ gets a sequel? Mission accomplished.

If the general public love it - which lets be honest, the majority of preview screenings haven't pointed towards that. Mission accomplished.

It REALLY shouldn't be a validation of quality.

 

[!Superman!]

i`m wondering where all the reviews are... just 49. Other movies have 200-300+

are there positive reviews which are not on RT yet? like "critics choice" etc. ?

 

[Autonet]

i`m wondering where all the reviews are... just 49. Other movies have 200-300+

are there positive reviews which are not on RT yet? like "critics choice" etc. ?

Reviews take weeks to all come out.

 

[mace1]

The thing I don't get is, RT still shows the average rating is 7/10. How is that possible given the percentage?

Because some of those reviews that say 3.5/5 is counted has rotten but the average score still counts those reviews has good or very good.

So the Tomatometer could count a 3/5 star or 3.5/5 star movie has rotten because what some of the critics say to point ,but that score 3/5 stars or 3.5/5 stars is not rotten,just the review is considered rotton.
It is still considered a good to very good movie if check the average score and star ratings.

Tomatometer is not has correct has the average score and some folks are confused by this.

I still disagree that some 3/5 or even 3.5/5 star movies are still put in the rotten camp,so to me that's wrong,but it's nothing you could about it


So this movie is on average by the critics is still a 3.5/5 star movie but that could change soon.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

1 day from release and it hasn't been certified fresh. That's not good folks. At 67% and Roeper, and the Forbes reviews still haven't been counted. I don't see this getting back to 70%, hopefully it will stay in the 60's.

Only 49 reviews in though. I don't think a movie could be certified after just 49 could it? I agree though, most likely it stays in the 60's.

 

[Showtime]

Its on track to stay in the 60s at this point. I don't think the older print media is going to give it glowing reviews.

 

[Autonet]

Only 49 reviews in though. I don't think a movie could be certified after just 49 could it? I agree though, most likely it stays in the 60's.

I think it's after 40. Also I'm sure RT doesn't decide if it's Fresh/Rotten and the critic does that or something.

If the movie were at 85% we wouldn't be having this conversation anyway...

 

[Apollo]

I've had it with movies!....and you know what??....Man of steel.. Amazing spider-man 2.. Days of future past...Thor 2...Star wars 7...they all have giant budgets that could have went to cure cancer... i just.. i just can't watch another movie ever again as long as i live.. I just...i just can't...

 

[!Superman!]

I've had it with movies!....and you know what??....Man of steel.. Amazing spider-man 2.. Days of future past...Thor 2...Star wars 7...they all have giant budgets that could have went to cure cancer... i just.. i just can't watch another movie ever again as long as i live.. I just...i just can't...

is this a joke?

 

[The Roach]

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/06/12/13/review-man-steel-soars-hope

^ This gives mehope. Seems that they've nailed the Clark Kent/Kal El character from a thematic point of view.

 

[Mjölnir]

When it comes down to it, what's more important: Box office, fan exception or critical rating?

That's actually not an easy question, but I'd probably say critical rating. Not that it means a lot to me (which I've stated many times), just most out of these options.

Box office means nothing to me. I'm not getting any of the money. It has some relevance after I know I like something though, as it helps getting more.
Fans are by definition biased so it is mostly relevant if you're another fan.
Critics can probably be expected to be more neutral and have more movie experience than the average person.

In the end it only matters what I think when I watch it.

 

[Tony Stark]

Only 49 reviews in though. I don't think a movie could be certified after just 49 could it? I agree though, most likely it stays in the 60's.

I believe they can after 40 reviews if the percentage is high enough that the remaining reviews could not bring the percentage below 60.

It's like counting election returns, they don't call a race until they know they have enough precincts report that the remaining number could not change the race. Likewise RT looks at the remaining reviews (for this type of movie, you can expect about 260 or so reviews), and can figure based on the ratio of positive to negative reviews what the change would have to be in the remaining reviews to put it above or below 60%.

 

[titansupes]

Fan/GA + Box Office.

Fans for obvious reasons (I include myself in that), gen audience because that's where the bulk of the money comes from, and the money... Because without it, we don't get a sequel.

So, the critics are at the bottom of the list. But damn it, it would be really nice to have them.

 

[mace1]

What folks here think of rotten tomatoes vs Metacritic vs IMDb?
Which one you use the most? and which one you think is more correct?





When IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes disagree disagree

http://www.listal.com/list/imdb-rotten-tomatoes-disagree

 

[FlawlessVictory]

That's actually not an easy question, but I'd probably say critical rating. Not that it means a lot to me (which I've stated many times), just most out of these options.

Box office means nothing to me. I'm not getting any of the money. It has some relevance after I know I like something though, as it helps getting more.
Fans are by definition biased so it is mostly relevant if you're another fan.
Critics can probably be expected to be more neutral and have more movie experience than the average person.

In the end it only matters what I think when I watch it.

I only care about box office when it affects the future of a franchise. If this was a one off I could care less if it only made $100 total. However, the future of the DCU rests on the success of this film so I am hoping it makes enough money that WB will move forward with this new united DCU.

 

[Apollo]

is this a joke?

Rex Reed had a rant on how the budget could have went to help combat cancer.... but with that logic.. you can say that with EVERY movie!

 

[Autonet]

Rex Reed had a rant on how the budget could have went to help combat cancer.... but with that logic.. you can say that with EVERY movie!

That guy is on crack.

 

[titansupes]

By the way, guys: DO not make the mistake of visiting the imbd boards.

Do. Not.