TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 4

[slimshady247]

Because they obviously rounded up from 6.8.

I don't think you understand how the meter works.

 

[Mjölnir]

Because they obviously rounded up from 6.8.

No, the 68% is the rate of how many that gave it a fresh rating (the critics get to decide if their reviews are fresh or rotten).

7/10 is the average grade, and it can be pretty high for some movies with relatively low fresh score as a rotten review can be mediocre and not necessarily downright bad.

I don't think you understand how the meter works.

That's not very constructive.

 

[LostSon88]

Well, actually I've always been hoping that this would be a one-shot for Zack Snyder, with a possible sequel attracting better talent. But who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong and I'll like this enough to want him back in the director's chair.

He and Goyer already signed on for Part 2.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I don't think you understand how the meter works.

68% of reviews were deemed fresh, that would be 6.8/10 rounded up to 7/10.

 

[robot]

Because they obviously rounded up from 6.8.

The percentage is based on how many people would 'recommend' the film, whereas the ratings is the average of the 'scores' each critics gave..

For example, say we have 3 critics and these are their scores:

A - Fresh (5/5)
B - Fresh (5/5)
C - Rotten (3/5)

You'll get 66% fresh, but a rating of 8.6/10 (based on the averages of the 5/5, 5/5, 3/5)

 

[-JKR-]

68% of reviews were deemed fresh, that would be 6.8/10 rounded up to 7/10.

No, the Avarage rating (7/10) doesn't have anything to do with the percentage of fresh reviews (which would be 68%). It's how good or bad the movie got actually rated by critics (ie. the average of how many stars, points, whatever the movie has gotten by the reviewers).

 

[slimshady247]

68% of reviews were deemed fresh, that would be 6.8/10 rounded up to 7/10.

Well, that's not really how it works. Essentially, the meter is just a fraction of how many reviews are fresh out of all of them, as you know. That is 69% right now. However, the average rating is collected from the scores given at the end of each review. So like 4/5, 3/5, B-, 2/4.... these are all taken and averaged. The average rating is separately calculated from the meter.

That's not very constructive.

See above.

 

[mace1]

68% of reviews were deemed fresh, that would be 6.8/10 rounded up to 7/10.

It would be 7/10 because the 3/5 or 3.5/5 is still counted has good/very good, so 7/10 would be correct.

 

[Motown Marvel]

No, the Avarage rating (7/10) doesn't have anything to do with the percentage of fresh reviews (which would be 68%). It's how good or bad the movie got actually rated by critics (ie. the average of how many stars, points, whatever the movie has gotten by the reviewers).

Ah, okay, gotcha.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Every self-proclaimed blogger and person who owns a website seems to be on RT. If I like the film, I may start a website.

TBH, the bloggers/web people tend to give the film higher marks, as opposed to the news publications. So taking them out would WORSEN the score.

 

[Dragon_316ca]

Expect RT score to sink lower:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/man-of-steel-review-moviemantz_article_80666

The filmmakers may have gone out of their way to distance themselves from “Superman Returns,” a love letter to the earlier Reeve movies that wore its heart a little too much on its sleeve. But by doing so, they’ve taken all the fun out of it. Where the tagline for the first “Superman” movie was “you’ll believe a man can fly,” the tagline for “Man of Steel” should be “you’ll believe a man can mope.” It’s just too heavy, and for a character that can leap tall buildings in a single bound, “Man of Steel” doesn’t leap far enough, proving that what worked for one film series doesn’t always work for another.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...s-overkill-thin-story-ground-latest-superman/

“Man of Steel” can be summed up by that great line Jeff Goldblum says in “Jurassic Park”: they “were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.”

 

[slimshady247]

Sigh.

 

[-JKR-]

He and Goyer already signed on for Part 2.

Yeah, I know that.
I'm talking hypothetically. It's just my opinion, which could change. Don't worry. Nobody's taking the Snyder away from you.

 

[Transcended]

Expect RT score to sink lower:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/man-of-steel-review-moviemantz_article_80666

The filmmakers may have gone out of their way to distance themselves from “Superman Returns,” a love letter to the earlier Reeve movies that wore its heart a little too much on its sleeve. But by doing so, they’ve taken all the fun out of it. Where the tagline for the first “Superman” movie was “you’ll believe a man can fly,” the tagline for “Man of Steel” should be “you’ll believe a man can mope.” It’s just too heavy, and for a character that can leap tall buildings in a single bound, “Man of Steel” doesn’t leap far enough, proving that what worked for one film series doesn’t always work for another.

Man, I gotta say, it's certainly annoying when a movie isn't judged on its own merits. I'm getting a little tired of reviews like this that are basically saying "it's not fun enough" and "Superman should never be sad or conflicted about life" or "it's too serious" - face, meet palm.

I want to hear about the acting, directing, story beats, you know - all the stuff that actually makes a film. I understand everyone has preconceived notions about tone, and it can be disorienting when they're not met, but trying for a little objectivity wouldn't hurt.

 

[slimshady247]

Well, it's back down to 67%, and the average is now 6.9.

 

[The Eradicator]

This is the first time I've seen where a film had nearly universal acclaim from pre-release buzz, only to be pummeled by critics once it got to RT and the mainstream.

 

[kvz5]

This is the first time I've seen where a film had nearly universal acclaim from pre-release buzz, only to be pummeled by critics once it got to RT and the mainstream.

I could be remembering it wrong but Les Mis was like that as well.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Oh so suddenly Superman Returns is a benchmark now... some of these critics.

Where was this praise for Returns the last five years.

 

[slimshady247]

Well, what can you do.

 

[mmbrown7L]

Man, I gotta say, it's certainly annoying when a movie isn't judged on its own merits. I'm getting a little tired of reviews like this that are basically saying "it's not fun enough" and "Superman should never be sad or conflicted about life" or "it's too serious" - face, meet palm.

I want to hear about the acting, directing, story beats, you know - all the stuff that actually makes a film. I understand everyone has preconceived notions about tone, and it can be disorienting when they're not met, but trying for a little objectivity wouldn't hurt.

From the critical perspective, the story beats and pacing are the number one problems with the movie and the reason why I bet everything is lower than we want it to be. The non-linearity keeps you from experiencing the first few emotional moments WITH Clark. It instead feels like you're just being told about them. You don't feel like you're on the journey with him until halfway through the movie basically. Adult Clark barely says a word until an hour in.

 

[sf2]

Man, I gotta say, it's certainly annoying when a movie isn't judged on its own merits. I'm getting a little tired of reviews like this that are basically saying "it's not fun enough" and "Superman should never be sad or conflicted about life" or "it's too serious" - face, meet palm.

I want to hear about the acting, directing, story beats, you know - all the stuff that actually makes a film. I understand everyone has preconceived notions about tone, and it can be disorienting when they're not met, but trying for a little objectivity wouldn't hurt.

U said it right.
Never thought people has such a strong idea of what superman should be...

 

[Transcended]

I could be remembering it wrong but Les Mis was like that as well.

Yep.

Had a similar RT score too.

 

[sf2]

From the critical perspective, the story beats and pacing are the number one problems with the movie and the reason why I bet everything is lower than we want it to be. The non-linearity keeps you from experiencing the first few emotional moments WITH Clark. It instead feels like you're just being told about them. You don't feel like you're on the journey with him until halfway through the movie basically. Adult Clark barely says a word until an hour in.

U watched it? U dislike it?

 

[robot]

Man, I gotta say, it's certainly annoying when a movie isn't judged on its own merits. I'm getting a little tired of reviews like this that are basically saying "it's not fun enough" and "Superman should never be sad or conflicted about life" or "it's too serious" - face, meet palm.

I want to hear about the acting, directing, story beats, you know - all the stuff that actually makes a film. I understand everyone has preconceived notions about tone, and it can be disorienting when they're not met, but trying for a little objectivity wouldn't hurt.

I think those are just the minority...

The main problem is exactly what you pointed out.. the directing, the story beats, all the stuff that actually makes the film... the complain is that snyder glossed all those over for the sake of the action sequences...

 

[BatLobster]

Just want to get this off my chest...how in the world was Superman Returns a fun movie? It's not at all. And I don't even hate the film...but fun, it is not. In fact every time the John Williams theme is reprised it has this tinge of artificiality to it, like it's forcing its way into a movie it has no place in. Same with the Jimmy/Clark stuff at the Daily Planet. It's trying so hard to recapture the innocence of the Donner films and it's just painfully bad in its execution- which is NOT fun to watch at all. Man of Steel, if nothing else sounds like it'll be a lot of fun despite having a few weighty ideas on its mind.

It's just very bizarre to see critics comparing this unfavorably to SR in terms of fun factor.