TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 4

[Spidergurl4302]

Man, I gotta say, it's certainly annoying when a movie isn't judged on its own merits. I'm getting a little tired of reviews like this that are basically saying "it's not fun enough" and "Superman should never be sad or conflicted about life" or "it's too serious" - face, meet palm.

I want to hear about the acting, directing, story beats, you know - all the stuff that actually makes a film. I understand everyone has preconceived notions about tone, and it can be disorienting when they're not met, but trying for a little objectivity wouldn't hurt.

At least the Access Hollywood reviewer was upfront about his high expectations hindering his objectivity

Taken purely on its own terms, “Man of Steel” is fine. But for a movie about a man who can fly, anything less than superb qualifies as a disappointment.

I have to admit that statement is a bit frustrating to me. I understand having high hopes or having preconceived notions of the character and everyone has their own opinions, but I would hope critics, if anyone, could look past that and try to make their review relatively objective.

 

[kalhawj]

Oh so suddenly Superman Returns is a benchmark now... some of these critics.

Where was this praise for Returns the last five years.

From Fox. They want love Story... which will probably be in the sequel. I for one do not want this in the Origin... Only Superman will get this kind of review from Critic as each person holds dear to them what Superman is suppose to be yet they probably never read a comic to see who he really is like. I guess the want a scene like Superman the Movie with Lois and Superman flying around together with their own song.

One of the most important elements of the Superman legacy is his relationship with reporter extraordinaire Lois Lane, but Cavill and Adams have very little chemistry due to their little-shared screen time, and when they are together, they seem to be attending a line-reading session rather than in the story.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...n-story-ground-latest-superman/#ixzz2W1e1oV5W

 

[LostSon88]

You guys do realize that the general audience hardly ever give a **** what critics think, right? I mean the attitudes in here is just so sad just because of what a bunch of outsiders think about the movie.

I could care less what some 40-50 year old goof thinks of the movie, ill take the opinion of my peers with much more credibility.

So long as its not an absolute critical bomb, people will show up and give it a shot. From then on out its the word of mouth of the paying customer that will determine the movies success.

 

[terry78]

Well, those 40-50 year old goofs were probably fans of Supes before some of us were born, so hey.

 

[georgec]

Just want to get this off my chest...how in the world was Superman Returns a fun movie? It's not at all. And I don't even hate the film...but fun, it is not. In fact every time the John Williams theme is reprised it has this tinge of artificiality to it, like it's forcing its way into a movie it has no place in. Same with the Jimmy/Clark stuff at the Daily Planet. It's trying so hard to recapture the innocence of the Donner films and it's just painfully bad in its execution- which is NOT fun to watch at all. Man of Steel, if nothing else sounds like it'll be a lot of fun despite having a few weighty ideas on its mind.

It's just very bizarre to see critics comparing this unfavorably to SR in terms of fun factor.

Agreed.

 

[Hammer!]

Surprising that almost none of the critics have singled out Michael Shannon's Zod. Maybe critics found him to be a disappointing villain?

 

[db85usa]

Ok so we'll draw the line here... MoS is hands down a much, much, better film than SR. Anyone who says otherwise needs to see a psychiatrist immediately.

 

[kalhawj]

Well, those 40-50 year old goofs were probably fans of Supes before some of us were born, so hey.

The problem with those old goof is they probably have a hard time moving on from the Donner's Superman. MOS is a modern take on Superman. One that I know I will love considering I know a few folks who have seen the movie and loved it. Those from Comic fans to regular folks. If they love it I know I will. Cannot wait til Midnight tomorrow.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

From the critical perspective, the story beats and pacing are the number one problems with the movie and the reason why I bet everything is lower than we want it to be. The non-linearity keeps you from experiencing the first few emotional moments WITH Clark. It instead feels like you're just being told about them. You don't feel like you're on the journey with him until halfway through the movie basically. Adult Clark barely says a word until an hour in.

I guess it comes down to two things, really. Flaws with the film, and flaws with the critics. I feel like is people are taken in by the emotion and spectacle, they won't pay as much attention to the overall storytelling. However, it's obvious that many critics want a colorful and optimistic storyline..some even desiring camp. The most critic-pleasing Superman movie would be one that is bright, old-fashioned, and emphasizes the relationships between Clark and Lois.

That being said, I want a slow-paced story that builds into a satisfying finish. I probably won't get what I want, but I'll accept the movie if it means a good sequel will get made.

Also, I've seen some criticisms that have encouraged me. People complaining that Cavill lacks energy seem like they wouldn't accept the more contemplative nature of the character from the comics.

I want the emotional moments to really work, and not be plot-devices.
I don't expect a movie as deep as BB now, but I do expect an intense and psychological thrill-ride.

 

[LostSon88]

Well, those 40-50 year old goofs were probably fans of Supes before some of us were born, so hey.

Don't see how it makes their opinion on Superman and how he should be portrayed any more important than ours.

Or anyone's for that matter.

 

[davejames]

I just have a hard time imagining MOS being any darker or "heavier" than the Nolan Batman movies.

I get the feeling for a lot of critics it just seems that way because it's just so not what they're accustomed to with Superman.

 

[BatLobster]

Well, those 40-50 year old goofs were probably fans of Supes before some of us were born, so hey.

Same is true for people who grew up on the Adam West Batman series but that didn't stop a lot of them from getting on board with Tim Burton and/or Chris Nolan's take.

I'm getting the impression that, for baby boomers and gen X'ers...Superman is just this relic of Americana that must be nostalgic in nature. If it's not nostalgic, it loses them. So the very notion of a movie that tries to bring Superman into the modern age (and that includes amping up the action to a level that will truly impress modern audiences) probably isn't going to go down easy for them.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

People getting nostalgic for Superman Returns... what is this I don't even ...

Going out on action in this movie is fine given who the threat of the movie is, they can dial it back in the sequel with Lex Luthor or something instead of trying to out bombast this movie and I'd be ok with it. You gotta expect some crazy action in a Superman movie at some points given what he is so just roll with it yo.

 

[danoyse]

The problem with those old goof is they probably have a hard time moving on from the Donner's Superman. MOS is a modern take on Superman. One that I know I will love considering I know a few folks who have seen the movie and loved it. Those from Comic fans to regular folks. If they love it I know I will. Cannot wait til Midnight tomorrow.

You do know Superman existed before 1978, right??

 

[mmbrown7L]

U watched it? U dislike it?

I watched it and liked it a lot, just still digesting. My warnings to people have been: expect odd pacing and a fast pace, it's the teensiest bit shallow because it crams in so many emotional pieces without delving into any of them for too long, it's very sci-fi/fantasy, and it's a prequel first and foremost...not a traditional Superman story.

 

[dante2012]

Ive seen the movie! Its awesome and Im shocked by the negative reviews man! it's blady loads of fun. Dumb ass critics this beat all the superman films and most comic book films just from the damn action sequences. I'm watching again on Friday in morning and gonna love it more.

 

[Princess Denise]

You guys do realize that the general audience hardly ever give a **** what critics think, right? I mean the attitudes in here is just so sad just because of what a bunch of outsiders think about the movie.

I could care less what some 40-50 year old goof thinks of the movie, ill take the opinion of my peers with much more credibility.

So long as its not an absolute critical bomb, people will show up and give it a shot. From then on out its the word of mouth of the paying customer that will determine the movies success.

Well, I do think that a very low score (like below 50%) on RT spreading like wildfire on social media sites could potentially hurt a movie somewhat. However, if MOS stays in the range it is in now I seriously doubt it would turn of anyone from seeing it because a 60ish or 70ish score is in reality a pretty darn good rating.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I just have a hard time imagining MOS being any darker or "heavier" than the Nolan Batman movies.

I get the feeling for a lot of critics it just seems that way because it's just so not what they're accustomed to with Superman.

I think the cinematography looks kinda drab and desaturated from the trailers and clips I've seen. This might be negatively impacting people, the lack of the color compared to a lot of other comic book films. I know I noticed it, the desaturated look.

 

[Kevin Smith]

MOS is "too heavy"? LOL. Allow me to sum up that review with another Goldblum classic from Jurassic Park:

"That is one big pile of ****".

 

[dante2012]

I love sci fi and fantasy and enjoyed immensely. im sorry mate but the donner films are crap in comparision its so dated man.

 

[LostSon88]

You do know Superman existed before 1978, right??

Yet it's the one thing (the 78' film) these older critics seem to come back to to compare...

 

[mmbrown7L]

I guess it comes down to two things, really. Flaws with the film, and flaws with the critics. I feel like is people are taken in by the emotion and spectacle, they won't pay as much attention to the overall storytelling. However, it's obvious that many critics want a colorful and optimistic storyline..some even desiring camp. The most critic-pleasing Superman movie would be one that is bright, old-fashioned, and emphasizes the relationships between Clark and Lois.

That being said, I want a slow-paced story that builds into a satisfying finish. I probably won't get what I want, but I'll accept the movie if it means a good sequel will get made.

Also, I've seen some criticisms that have encouraged me. People complaining that Cavill lacks energy seem like they wouldn't accept the more contemplative nature of the character from the comics.

I want the emotional moments to really work, and not be plot-devices.
I don't expect a movie as deep as BB now, but I do expect an intense and psychological thrill-ride.

Prep for disappointment on this especially: "I want the emotional moments to really work, and not be plot-devices." Everything in this movie is a plot device. You pretty much just have to accept it.

 

[robot]

The problem with those old goof is they probably have a hard time moving on from the Donner's Superman. MOS is a modern take on Superman. One that I know I will love considering I know a few folks who have seen the movie and loved it. Those from Comic fans to regular folks. If they love it I know I will. Cannot wait til Midnight tomorrow.

People who thinks the 'rotten' reviews are basing their reviews on nostalgia have grossly misrepresented those reviewers.. maybe a couple did.. but most complained about 'choppiness, lack of coherence, lack of character development, pacing issues, etc'... nothing to do with the donner's superman...

 

[LostSon88]

Well, I do think that a very low score (like below 50%) on RT spreading like wildfire on social media sites could potentially hurt a movie somewhat. However, if MOS stays in the range it is in now I seriously doubt it would turn of anyone from seeing it because a 60ish or 70ish score is in reality a pretty darn good rating.

I'd take a crapload of positive twitter reviews and random posts praising MoS over a flawed b.s. RT rating any day if you were to ask me of a better gauge to determine a films success.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I can't decide if its amusing or sad that everyone is so offended by then opinion of the critics that y'alls have never stopped to consider that perhaps they have a point.