TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 4

[Mjölnir]

Looks like we have another Hobbit on our hands, low with critics but high with audiences and fans.

EDIT: I do find it quite ironic that it's likely to get a lower score than SR. (the way Jackson's Hobbit got lower than the 1977 animated version)

Could be but too early to tell. There's many reviewers to go (although most likely we see the rough picture by now) and when it comes to general viewers it's all but a nonexistent part of the audience that has seen it yet. Although the most criticism seem to be on bad character development so I'd certainly guess that the GA will be more positive than the critics.

As for The Hobbit, the 1978 version doesn't have a consensus so it's not fully comparable.

 

[slimshady247]

All the positive feedback from people on the hype and twitter etc indicated a much higher rating than what it's getting. That's what's taking people by surprise.

Exactly.

 

[sf2]

Why sad??? U watched the movie? It is bad???

 

[Adder]

The Avengers was not a game changer, no. The Dark Knight Rises was far more of a game changer than Avengers, though that's not saying much. Anyway, I don't want to get into any wars about which film is better. Can we move on from this topic?

nolanites at it again....

 

[slimshady247]

nolanites at it again....

 

[titansupes]

All the positive feedback from people on the hype and twitter etc indicated a much higher rating than what it's getting. That's what's taking people by surprise.

This. I honestly can't figure out what happened. Why didn't the near unanimous positive word the movies been receiving over the last few months (and especially the last couple of weeks) translate to the actual reviews?

 

[slimshady247]

This. I honestly can't figure out what happened. Why didn't the near unanimous positive word the movies been receiving over the last few months (and especially the last couple of weeks) translate to the actual reviews?

I guess we'll just have to see the film.

 

[Sharkboy]

Only difference is Hobbit kinda, sorta fizzled at the box office. Only 300 million with 2013 prices and 3D/IMAX sales? Clearly it was a dropoff. Now you could argue the scale did not match the original trilogy. The story isn't as strong in terms of the books. I'd argue it had been 10+ years since LoTR. It should have done Phantom Menace type numbers, and it maintained the same quality of the OT IMO. So I don't see why there was a drop at the box office.

Billion worldwide? WB would kill for MoS to "fizzle" that way.

 

[slimshady247]

If presales are any indication, MOS will not fizzle.

 

[Sharkboy]

nolanites at it again....

You do realise a film being a game changer over another doesn't really denote it being a better film right?

For example...if we are to talk about real game changers in the last decade, it would certainly be Batman Begins, i think that one really sold up the idea of a reboot (as opposed to a prequel or a remake) that's been widely used in games and films and tv shows ever since. People always mention Batman Begins in that regards....doesn't necessarily means it's the best CBM though.

 

[slimshady247]

You do realise a film being a game changer over another doesn't really denote it being a better film right?

For example...if we are to talk about real game changers in the last decade, it would certainly be Batman Begins, i think that one really sold up the idea of a reboot (as opposed to a prequel or a remake) that's been widely used in games and films and tv shows ever since. People always mention Batman Begins in that regards....doesn't necessarily means it's the best CBM though.

Exactly! Thank you.

 

[DorneyDave]

There sure is a lot of angst over a little meter. Shouldn't everyone be excited by all the positive reactions from people here and the general folk on twitter instead? That's who truly matters.

 

[slimshady247]

We're not going to know how everybody feels until the film is out.

 

[Herolee10]

There sure is a lot of angst over a little meter. Shouldn't everyone be excited by all the positive reactions from people here and the general folk on twitter instead? That's who truly matters.

Speaking for myself here, but even I'm not sure on what to expect from this film anymore (well on some levels that is).lol I mean hearing on how some folks even here saying that the film had an good amount of issues, and it's becoming a more frequent trend (with more people having seen the screenings) where the film isn't appearing to be anything that special anymore on the sense where it's not anything that we haven't seen in general (aside from the action sequences)

 

[DorneyDave]

Speaking for myself here, but even I'm not sure on what to expect from this film anymore (well on some levels that is).lol I mean hearing on how some folks even here saying that the film had an good amount of issues, and it's becoming a more frequent trend (with more people having seen the screenings) where the film isn't appearing to be anything that special anymore on the sense where it's not anything that we haven't seen in general (aside from the action sequences)

But you're basing these fears based on the negative reviews you're reading. There have been PLENTY of reactions saying it is a very special film. Being "special" is all subjective. I know some people who thought TDK was crap, and that was considered a "special" film. Same with Avengers, BB, TDKR and many other comic book movies.

I get discussing the movie, but making assumptions about its' quality before we see it...its a bit silly. Unless it's scoring in the low teens or something.

 

[Mjölnir]

You do realise a film being a game changer over another doesn't really denote it being a better film right?

For example...if we are to talk about real game changers in the last decade, it would certainly be Batman Begins, i think that one really sold up the idea of a reboot (as opposed to a prequel or a remake) that's been widely used in games and films and tv shows ever since. People always mention Batman Begins in that regards....doesn't necessarily means it's the best CBM though.

I'd also say that Begins is the game changer of the Batman movies. The tone of the trilogy is set there and TDK, which is generally seen as the best of them, is basically the same but with a much more charismatic villain.

I'd say that The Avengers changed something though. It was a new way of building up a story, intertwining several different solo threads into something new and it was hugely successful. Why it's a game changer is because people didn't really think it could be done well but they now want to imitate it (mainly DC with JL). The whole project also kind of changed that "everyone" tried to go dark as well.

The Batman trilogy and the Avengers project are the two things that people try to emulate to various degrees in the superhero movie business.

 

[Herolee10]

But you're basing these fears based on the negative reviews you're reading. There have been PLENTY of reactions saying it is a very special film. Being "special" is all subjective. I know some people who thought TDK was crap, and that was considered a "special" film. Same with Avengers, BB, TDKR and many other comic book movies.

I get discussing the movie, but making assumptions about its' quality before we see it...its a bit silly. Unless it's scoring in the low teens or something.

Well, when you put it like that..it makes a lot of sense.

Honestly, I think some of us are just suffering from something that we should have been more conscious about before these reviews started coming in and that's the fact that we should have had more realistic and open minded expectations for this film instead of allowing ourselves in getting over hyped for the film to the point where we probably didn't think that it could either do no wrong and not have many issues.

I kept telling myself to be careful about that and yet here I find myself suffering the consequences of having built way too high expectations for this film.lol

 

[sf2]

Just enjoy the show, friend.
I think the problem is we want it to do better than spidey, ironman or avenger. Hope putting too high.

 

[-JKR-]

We're not going to know how everybody feels until the film is out.

Problem is, people make up their minds about a movie and how it is going to be WAAAAAY before its release. Even just on a subconcious level, they decide that they are going to love the movie, and that it's going to be the greatest thing ever. And in extreme cases, they connect the dots from what they've seen in the trailers and previews, and make up their own little version of the movie in their minds.

That all backfires once the movie is released. Almost always. It starts with people having nervous breakdowns and *****ing their way through forums as soon as not so stellar reviews start popping up; and then once they've seen the movie, many nerds will hate it much more than it even deserves, because it doesn't quite match with the version they had made up in their minds during the anticpation.

Hype 101!

 

[DorneyDave]

I'd also say that Begins is the game changer of the Batman movies. The tone of the trilogy is set there and TDK, which is generally seen as the best of them, is basically the same but with a much more charismatic villain.

I'd say that The Avengers changed something though. It was a new way of building up a story, intertwining several different solo threads into something new and it was hugely successful. Why it's a game changer is because people didn't really think it could be done well but they now want to imitate it (mainly DC with JL). The whole project also kind of changed that "everyone" tried to go dark as well.

The Batman trilogy and the Avengers project are the two things that people try to emulate to various degrees in the superhero movie business.

I'd agree with this completely.

Batman Begins ushered in the new superhero era and the reboot era...thus game changer.

Avengers ushered in the "Team" aspect of films and making a connected universe.

The Dark Knight, TDKR, Iron Man, etc were all great films (subject to opinion) but they didn't change anything. TDK had a huge cultural impact, but it didn't change the way movies are made, it's predecessor did.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I'd also say that Begins is the game changer of the Batman movies. The tone of the trilogy is set there and TDK, which is generally seen as the best of them, is basically the same but with a much more charismatic villain.

I'd say that The Avengers changed something though. It was a new way of building up a story, intertwining several different solo threads into something new and it was hugely successful. Why it's a game changer is because people didn't really think it could be done well but they now want to imitate it (mainly DC with JL). The whole project also kind of changed that "everyone" tried to go dark as well.

The Batman trilogy and the Avengers project are the two things that people try to emulate to various degrees in the superhero movie business.

Completely agreed

 

[king666]

Critics' Choice rating: 85/100

 

[kalhawj]

To everyone worrying about what score it has on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/forrest_gump/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/last_samurai/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fear_and_loathing_in_las_vegas/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/american_psycho/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fight_club/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gladiator/

Also:

Wow... Taken was amazing... this is why Critics don't know #### One of my favorite movie. There's a reason why Rotten Tomatoe is call Rotten...I would never base my trust in review with this site. Some of those rotten reiveiw says it's amazing, spectical, but yet give it a rotten score. Also I don't know why B- or 3/5 is consider rotten... Looks like an error with Rotten's site. Anyway, MOS will do fine as all the folks I know that have seen it loved it...

 

[DorneyDave]

Well, when you put it like that..it makes a lot of sense.

Honestly, I think some of us are just suffering from something that we should have been more conscious about before these reviews started coming in and that's the fact that we should have had more realistic and open minded expectations for this film instead of allowing ourselves in getting over hyped for the film to the point where we probably didn't think that it could either do no wrong and not have many issues.

I kept telling myself to be careful about that and yet here I find myself suffering the consequences of having built way too high expectations for this film.lol

That's all understandable.

No, I think "The Dark Knight" is too blame for alot of these tomato meter and critical reaction overreactions. That film was almost universally praised as something incredible. Ledger's performance become something of legend before it even came out, so when the film hit it was like a bomb of positive energy. It was the definition of "Event" because the vibes before hand were so good. No film has matched that yet, Avengers came close. We never had a comic book movie be treated like that in the modern era before TDK.

But even so, a bunch of people hated TDK. So there ya go. Just enjoy the ride.

 

[Van Petrol]

Begins doesn't get enough love and respect. Without Begins we'd probably not have gotten TDK. But then again, without B&R we'd probably not have gotten Begins..