TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 4

[GreenKToo]

As someone who grew up with CR as my superman ( I saw all his films on the big screen) i'm more than willing to embrace a new superman.
why cant these critics??

Dont they understand this is an origin and they cant just jump right into the Lois/Superman relationship?
Sure S:TM did, but that film didnt have a zod hellbent on destroying the world. It had a goofy Lex that wanted to make california the new riviera. that hardly prevented supes from having time to spend with Lois.

Also, MoS doesnt have a 12 year mindmeld that CR got to experience with Jor-el. He emerged from it full grown complete with the suit. Cavill has to take the hard road to get there.
Its about the journey to get there, and not can you read my mind and what color panties Lois has on.

 

[kalhawj]

You do know Superman existed before 1978, right??

Yes I do, and I was only referring to live action movie (The one that started all the CMB of today). I know some folk hold this movie close to their . Some even would not dear think that anyone else can be a better Superman than Reeve. I know not all the older gen will be like this, but I'm sure a good portion are.

 

[davejames]

Just want to get this off my chest...how in the world was Superman Returns a fun movie? It's not at all. And I don't even hate the film...but fun, it is not. In fact every time the John Williams theme is reprised it has this tinge of artificiality to it, like it's forcing its way into a movie it has no place in. Same with the Jimmy/Clark stuff at the Daily Planet. It's trying so hard to recapture the innocence of the Donner films and it's just painfully bad in its execution- which is NOT fun to watch at all. Man of Steel, if nothing else sounds like it'll be a lot of fun despite having a few weighty ideas on its mind.

It's just very bizarre to see critics comparing this unfavorably to SR in terms of fun factor.

I thought it had it's fun moments (Lois's reaction after the plane rescue, the burrito scene, Jason having a little asthma attack after noticing the Clark/Supes resemblance), but yeah, by no means would I call SR a "fun" movie.

 

[dante2012]

Its realistic with the motivations from an alien and idiots are moaning its serious. Of course everything not gonna be happy go lucking in the beginning its an origin. He great by the end. Gosh this film reminds me of secret origin and birthright and I loved it. A real superman and clark kent not so some campy dude from the 70's.

 

[LostSon88]

I can't decide if its amusing or sad that everyone is so offended by then opinion of the critics that y'alls have never stopped to consider that perhaps they have a point.

We won't know until we see it. I'm just annoyed at people already jumping ship...

 

[kalhawj]

As someone who grew up with CR as my superman ( I saw all his films on the big screen) i'm more than willing to embrace a new superman. why cant these critics??

Dont they understand this is an origin and they cant just jump right into the Lois/Superman relationship?
Sure S:TM did, but that film didnt have a zod hellbent on destroying the world. It had a goofy Lex that wanted to make california the new riviera. that hardly prevented supes from having time to spend with Lois.

Also, MoS doesnt have a 12 year mindmeld that CR got to experience with Jor-el. He emerged from it full grown complete with the suit. Cavill has to take the hard road to get there.
Its about the journey to get there, not can you read my mind.

Well Said...

 

[robot]

I think the cinematography looks kinda drab and desaturated from the trailers and clips I've seen. This might be negatively impacting people, the lack of the color compared to a lot of other comic book films. I know I noticed it, the desaturated look.

Actually this was my biggest complain since the first trailer came out.. the desaturation, color template used... but as soon as I mentioned it, needless to say on such a forum, you get blasted..

Be careful when watching this on Large Imax screens, because the reduced brightness will add to the lack of color saturation.. I have seen the trailers of MOS on 2 Imax, and on the larger one, the color was terrible due to the saturation to begin with... (trailers of other movies looked ok because they had better color saturation)

 

[danoyse]

Same is true for people who grew up on the Adam West Batman series but that didn't stop a lot of them from getting on board with Tim Burton and/or Chris Nolan's take.

I'm getting the impression that, for baby boomers and gen X'ers...Superman is just this relic of Americana that must be nostalgic in nature. If it's not nostalgic, it loses them. So the very notion of a movie that tries to bring Superman into the modern age (and that includes amping up the action to a level that will truly impress modern audiences) probably isn't going to go down easy for them.

My parents grew up with the George Reeves Superman, and they loved the Donner movies (well, the first two, anyway). My sister and I grew up with the Donner movies, and we can't wait to see Man of Steel. Both of my parents want to see Man of Steel too (even my mom, who usually avoids the current crop of superhero movies).

There's not a problem with bringing him into the modern age - that is brilliant. It's just a hope that they honor what it was that made us love the character in the first place.

We all think it looks great. I haven't read any of the reviews, but from what I've heard from friends who've already seen it, it sounds like we're all going to enjoy it.

 

[marcvader]

I thought it had it's fun moments (Lois's reaction after the plane rescue, the burrito scene, Jason having a little asthma attack after noticing the Clark/Supes resemblance), but yeah, by no means would I call SR a "fun" movie.

Maybe they were referring to the amount of humor? Where there is some humor in SR and hardly any in MOS.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'd take a crapload of positive twitter reviews and random posts praising MoS over a flawed b.s. RT rating any day if you were to ask me of a better gauge to determine a films success.

But you'd be celebrating MOS if it got around a 90 percent fresh. You know you would

 

[FreeRadical]

I think some of the critics have Donner's Superman imprinted in their minds, leading to them wanting a boy scout Superman who flys with Lois, can turn back time, rescues cat's out of trees and awkward Clark (pre-crisis stuff). This may have lead to them loving Superman Returns, especially one MOS review from Variety said that 'Nolan and Synder set out to fix what was not broken'

I think that some critics would have preferred a sequel to SR, than a new take.

Did a similar thing happen with Batman 89, with people expecting a campy Batman film with Adam West? Because in the end, the public (and critics) accepted the darker take on Batman.

 

[BatLobster]

I thought it had it's fun moments (Lois's reaction after the plane rescue, the burrito scene, Jason having a little asthma attack after noticing the Clark/Supes resemblance), but yeah, by no means would I call SR a "fun" movie.

Yeah, I won't disagree with that. I guess critics are more receptive of a weighty, serious Superman movie if it's still looking to find ways to pay homage to the campier tone of previous incarnations. In that sense SR was kind of positioned to be more of a critical darling, while being riskier with the general audience. Whereas it seems MoS is the exact opposite. Which is really not the worst thing in the world when you think about it. As long as they get people on board with this version of the character, they can fine tune and strike more of a balance with the sequel.

My parents grew up with the George Reeves Superman, and they loved the Donner movies (well, the first two, anyway). My sister and I grew up with the Donner movies, and we can't wait to see Man of Steel. Both of my parents want to see Man of Steel too (even my mom, who usually avoids the current crop of superhero movies).

There's not a problem with bringing him into the modern age - that is brilliant. It's just a hope that they honor what it was that made us love the character in the first place.

We all think it looks great. I haven't read any of the reviews, but from what I've heard from friends who've already seen it, it sounds like we're all going to enjoy it.

Sounds like you have a cool family. Hopefully this speaks for the wider audience as well. I think enough time has passed where we can leave what's been done in the past and embrace a new vision for a new age, while still keeping the essentials intact. But again, some of the reviews are transparent in their downright unwillingness to do so.

 

[Mjölnir]

People who thinks the 'rotten' reviews are basing their reviews on nostalgia have grossly misrepresented those reviewers.. maybe a couple did.. but most complained about 'choppiness, lack of coherence, lack of character development, pacing issues, etc'... nothing to do with the donner's superman...

Indeed. It's pretty ironic that some fans misrepresent the overall criticism from the critics when the complaints these fans have are about the critics disliking the movie for the wrong reasons.

That in addition to that the critics have actually seen the movie, most of us fans haven't.

There's also been criticism for having stupid short blurbs in connection to a bad review, yet no one cares when a positive review has "Cavill looks great in the key outfit. Maybe that's enough." as the short version. It's pretty obvious that anything negative will be shunned and everything positive will be eaten up. These fans have less credibility than what they criticize.

I hope the movie is great and I don't need to attack someone else's informed opinions about it to keep hoping.

 

[Motown Marvel]

What review compared the fun factor of MOS to the fun factor of SR?

 

[mmbrown7L]

Actually this was my biggest complain since the first trailer came out.. the desaturation, color template used... but as soon as I mentioned it, needless to say on such a forum, you get blasted..

Be careful when watching this on Large Imax screens, because the reduced brightness will add to the lack of color saturation.. I have seen the trailers of MOS on 2 Imax, and on the larger one, the color was terrible due to the saturation to begin with... (trailers of other movies looked ok because they had better color saturation)

I'm a HUGE hater of desaturation and dark coloring. It ruined Harry Potter 5-8 imo. You don't need to darken everything to make it more serious. That said, it didn't bug me in the least here. Some sections are brighter than others. I never felt like the same color scheme was used across the whole movie. It was almost like he picked different colors for different scenes. If you watch the clip of him showing up in his suit for the first time it's much bluer/redder/saturated than you would expect. It looked great. And the reds and oranges are very vivid on Krypton.

 

[mackytung06]

was it to much action? ^^

It was just the right amount. All action scenes are necessary and not overkill.

How did you like the movie? was the complaints from critics anything to worry?

I thought the movie was spectacular. Pacing was perfect for an origin movie if you ask me. And the critics? I have nooo idea why they didn't like it. I thought it was great!

 

[slimshady247]

Down to 66%.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Here's what I'm expecting. A 62-70 in Rottentomatoes, a 7.8 on imdb, mixed or negative reviews on the general press, and positive reviews by both the public and bloggers in general. So it will probably be received slightly higher than Watchmen, but hopefully make back a lot of money. I'd want Jonah Nolan to write the sequel, though.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

My parents grew up with the George Reeves Superman, and they loved the Donner movies (well, the first two, anyway). My sister and I grew up with the Donner movies, and we can't wait to see Man of Steel. Both of my parents want to see Man of Steel too (even my mom, who usually avoids the current crop of superhero movies).

There's not a problem with bringing him into the modern age - that is brilliant. It's just a hope that they honor what it was that made us love the character in the first place.

We all think it looks great. I haven't read any of the reviews, but from what I've heard from friends who've already seen it, it sounds like we're all going to enjoy it.

Exactly my point and that's all that really matters to me. I haven't read any full reviews but I have seen the RT score, and while we all hope that the film we're looking so forward to is not only financially successful but also well rated by critics, what it comes down to is enjoyment.

I have a deep feeling I will love MOS and have looked forward to this since I knew the first day of production had started. I haven't been this excited for a superhero/comic related film since TDK and I won't let a few reviewers that don't care for MOS ruin the experience for me.

 

[kalhawj]

It was just the right amount. All action scenes are necessary and not overkill.



I thought the movie was spectacular. Pacing was perfect for an origin movie if you ask me. And the critics? I have nooo idea why they didn't like it. I thought it was great!

Your response is just like those I know that have seen it. From the GA I know this will be a smash at the BO. Everyone that are not critic that have seen it loved it. This is why people need to relax and ignore the critics. Who reads reviews at RT anyway and use that to decide if they will like the movie or not.

How do you compare MOS with the movie this year and all time?

 

[RoughNTumble]

66 now

keeps inching closer to rotten V_V;;

 

[slimshady247]

At least we know the music is good. If anything, I'll just close my eyes and listen.

66 now

keeps inching closer to rotten V_V;;

It's not going to become rotten.

 

[!Superman!]

i`m not worried. If the audience on release day likes it they will watch it again and tell their friends and family and MoS will have a good BO. Nobody will care about the 18 negative critics.

 

[BatLobster]

What review compared the fun factor of MOS to the fun factor of SR?

http://www.accesshollywood.com/man-o..._article_80666

The filmmakers may have gone out of their way to distance themselves from “Superman Returns,” a love letter to the earlier Reeve movies that wore its heart a little too much on its sleeve. But by doing so, they’ve taken all the fun out of it. Where the tagline for the first “Superman” movie was “you’ll believe a man can fly,” the tagline for “Man of Steel” should be “you’ll believe a man can mope.” It’s just too heavy, and for a character that can leap tall buildings in a single bound, “Man of Steel” doesn’t leap far enough, proving that what worked for one film series doesn’t always work for another.

To me, the implication here is that by going in the opposite way of SR it took the fun out...therefore, SR was fun. Maybe that's a stretch, but I don't know how else to interpret it.

 

[slimshady247]

Well, 19 now, but yeah.