TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[jmc]

From my experience when you find a movie wanting you can't help but say ''this is how it should have been...''. Some people fill in those blanks with fan fiction stuff, others turn to comparable movies when they are available (like this one)

I've done that myself, I've occasionally thought 'why didn't they do this or that' after a film when it didn't feel fulfilling. The difference here seems to be some people are going in with a preconceived notion of what the character of Superman is suppose to be and that is clouding things more and elevating the flaws further. Suddenly the issues get blown out of proportion because it's not what they wanted, which is ironically the same thing critics blast fanboys over when it comes to changes. The film should be critiqued for what it is, not what it's suppose to be, and I think that's the issue coming through.

 

[Hoorayforeric]

Ain't it Cool critics are all gushing, even John Ary. AICN's is at 100% if that helps. Of course none of them are certified RT critics.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I've done that myself, I've occasionally thought 'why didn't they do this or that' after a film when it didn't feel fulfilling. The difference here seems to be some people are going in with a preconceived notion of what the character of Superman is suppose to be and that is clouding things more and elevating the flaws further. Suddenly the issues get blown out of proportion because it's not what they wanted, which is ironically the same thing critics blast fanboys over when it comes to changes. The film should be critiqued for what it is, not what it's suppose to be, and I think that's the issue coming through.

I don't see that at all. But maybe it's because I've already seen the movie so I can empathize with their opinions.

It's very hard to claim a slew of critics went into a film with preconceived notions unless they were very vocal about those notions leading up to their viewing.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I'll post this here: http://latino-review.com/2013/06/12/el-mayimbes-thoughts-man-steel/

That's all I really need to see before I watch the film myself, sounded just about perfect.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I encourage some of you to find critics who you can connect to. I have 6 critics that I really agree with and two of them loved the film, one of them fairly enjoyed it/average, one didn't like it, and another two have yet to review it. I could care less about what 200 other people say about it, for all I know they hate other movies that I like.

 

[The Batman]

I came out of MOS with this outlook: I not only still like STM and SR better but I think they are much better movies, and I'm not happy about it at all.

I was hoping that this movie would be the "Casino Royale" to a Connery Bond Film: Something that I don't necessarily think is better, but something that is in the same class of greatness as its predecessor.

 

[GreenKToo]

Another raving review. I skimmed to the end to avoid possible spoilers, like I always do. And yes, ANOTHER movie blog :: http://whatculture.com/film/man-of-steel-review-snyder-delivers-best-superman-since-the-original.php

The best part....

Early reviews have lambasted the film for its lack of humour compared to prior installments – and to be fair, a few light gags might have helped massage the silliness of Zod’s scheme into the story a little easier – yet after years of earnestness that occasionally bordered on glibness, it’s refreshing to see a serious, grown-up movie made about the superhero for once.
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[The Batman]

BTW Poni, what do aspects of STM and SR did you find superior to MOS?

 

[Motown Marvel]

Ain't it Cool critics are all gushing, even John Ary. AICN's is at 100% if that helps. Of course none of them are certified RT critics.

If only RT would certify everyone who likes the movie and uncertify everyone who doesn't, then we would have the best superman movie EVER!!!!!

 

[Poni_Boy]

I was hoping that this movie would be the "Casino Royale" to a Connery Bond Film: Something that I don't necessarily think is better, but something that is in the same class of greatness as its predecessor.

I just wanted a good movie. I silently hoped it would be on par with the other Supes films but I wasn't eagerly comparing it to them. I didn't get what I wanted. The storytelling was in the Sucker Punch department for me and the visuals were boring. Was such a disappointment.

 

[The Shape]

I came out of MOS with this outlook: I not only still like STM and SR better but I think they are much better movies, and I'm not happy about it at all.

SR, a film completely lacking originality (and fun) in every way, was better than this? It's your opinion, but I find that pretty hard to believe.

 

[Poni_Boy]

BTW Poni, what do aspects of STM and SR did you find superior to MOS?

Off the top of my head: Emotional connection to the characters, believably of their actions, storytelling, effects, morality, understanding of cause and effect

 

[The Roach]

I encourage some of you to find critics who you can connect to. I have 6 critics that I really agree with and two of them loved the film, one of them fairly enjoyed it/average, one didn't like it, and another two have yet to review it. I could care less about what 200 other people say about it, for all I know they hate other movies that I like.

The people I trust most are all saying the film is good. I'm pretty confident at least one of them is fanboying it out of their head.

I don't know anymore. I'm a massive Superman fan, and the action in the trailers looks amazing and the Clark/Kal dichotomy and his growth as a character is reportedly done very well in the first half of the movie. Both of those things were what I was waiting for after SR, so it seems like I should be ecstatic. But this slew of negativity is really putting me off.

I'm still gonna watch it, no question (though I can't go opening day as I have exams to study for D.

 

[jmc]

I don't see that at all. But maybe it's because I've already seen the movie so I can empathize with their opinions.

It's very hard to claim a slew of critics went into a film with preconceived notions unless they were very vocal about those notions leading up to their viewing.

Here's just a snippet.

Spoiler

- There are some things that Superman simply does not do – “leave innocents in peril” being a pretty big one – and that conflicts with Snyder’s love of carnage. Though the carnage happens largely off-screen, the body count in Man Of Steel is in the tens of thousands; worse, there are stretches where Superman seems indifferent to the deaths of people around him.

- Where is Superman? The one I've known and loved for more than 50 years is nowhere to be found, replaced by a plastic, uncharismatic Superdude, who'd make a great fashion model, but is a horrid Man of Steel.

- Superman keeps neglecting to ask people how they are. When he does ask that kind of question, it's as characteristic a Superman moment as seeing him punch Zod through several city blocks of skyscrapers. He doesn't ask Lois how she's healing after he cauterizes her wound with heat vision. He doesn't even check to see if his mother has any broken ribs.

It's this kind of writing which screams of people thinking they know what Superman is suppose to be, maybe not consciously, but for a character like Superman who's been in the public eye for 75 years it's hard not to have a general idea of what he's 'suppose' to be. If they didn't like the film that's fine, if they're not liking it because it's not 'their' Superman, then frankly they're no better than whiny fanboys.

 

[ThreadPool]

TBH, I don't feel bad if the critics are too "married" to Donner for some fanboys

The Donner films have been nitpicked to death too much by fanboys with something to prove, so at least SOMEONE out there appreciate the films and don't complain endlessly about people spinning around the earth.

I don't feel bad, but it's pretty asinine. Aren't they supposed to critique a film based on it's own merit? I not the biggest fan of Donner's Superman. It has nothing to do with being a "fanboy". It's just kind of cornball for me.
Here's another thing that annoys me: Okay, so you don't like it. What does the movie do well?*Some*of the negative reviews are just that. Pure negativity. No mention of the soundtrack or cinematography. If you're a critic, can you at least give me something other than, "It sucks." Inform me of the whole picture, not just your dislikes. I think a lot of critics have lost sight of that, or never had it in the first place.

 

[superadam87]

There is no general audience yet for MOS though. This is only critics talking. Let's how the audience reacts after it is released and see if they are ready and willing to accept this interpretation.

Keep in mind that MANY people have seen Man of Steel already. Obviously not as many as there will be coming Friday -- But from those who've seen it, we do this when reading the reviews.

 

[Poni_Boy]

SR, a film completely lacking originality (and fun) in every way, was better than this? It's your opinion, but I find that pretty hard to believe.

Man of Steel is just another Superman movie with a real estate scheme as its central conflict. Doesn't get much more unoriginal than that.

 

[JangoNate]

I encourage some of you to find critics who you can connect to. I have 6 critics that I really agree with and two of them loved the film, one of them fairly enjoyed it/average, one didn't like it, and another two have yet to review it. I could care less about what 200 other people say about it, for all I know they hate other movies that I like.

I usually agree with the reviewers at IGN. They called it amazing.

 

[Octoberist]

My problem with SR was how dreary and lethargic it was. Though...I haven't seen MoS, maybe it has the same issues too.

 

[Herolee10]

I think what would be better for some is to just go into this film and not expect to be given the "game changer" that they were unconsciously hoping to see in this. That way, at least they'll be free to be entertained, since based off of the criticisms that the people here seem to have with it, MOS doesn't look like anything other than an average CBM when it comes to its plot and execution.

 

[db85usa]

Spoiler

Here's just a snippet.

- There are some things that Superman simply does not do – “leave innocents in peril” being a pretty big one – and that conflicts with Snyder’s love of carnage. Though the carnage happens largely off-screen, the body count in Man Of Steel is in the tens of thousands; worse, there are stretches where Superman seems indifferent to the deaths of people around him.

- Where is Superman? The one I've known and loved for more than 50 years is nowhere to be found, replaced by a plastic, uncharismatic Superdude, who'd make a great fashion model, but is a horrid Man of Steel.

- Superman keeps neglecting to ask people how they are. When he does ask that kind of question, it's as characteristic a Superman moment as seeing him punch Zod through several city blocks of skyscrapers. He doesn't ask Lois how she's healing after he cauterizes her wound with heat vision. He doesn't even check to see if his mother has any broken ribs.

It's this kind of writing which screams of people thinking they know what Superman is suppose to be, maybe not consciously, but for a character like Superman who's been in the public eye for 75 years it's hard not to have a general idea of what he's 'suppose' to be. If they didn't like the film that's fine, if they're not liking it because it's not 'their' Superman, then frankly they're no better than whiny fanboys.

Spoilers much?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Spoiler

Here's just a snippet.

- There are some things that Superman simply does not do – “leave innocents in peril” being a pretty big one – and that conflicts with Snyder’s love of carnage. Though the carnage happens largely off-screen, the body count in Man Of Steel is in the tens of thousands; worse, there are stretches where Superman seems indifferent to the deaths of people around him.

- Where is Superman? The one I've known and loved for more than 50 years is nowhere to be found, replaced by a plastic, uncharismatic Superdude, who'd make a great fashion model, but is a horrid Man of Steel.

- Superman keeps neglecting to ask people how they are. When he does ask that kind of question, it's as characteristic a Superman moment as seeing him punch Zod through several city blocks of skyscrapers. He doesn't ask Lois how she's healing after he cauterizes her wound with heat vision. He doesn't even check to see if his mother has any broken ribs.

It's this kind of writing which screams of people thinking they know what Superman is suppose to be, maybe not consciously, but for a character like Superman who's been in the public eye for 75 years it's hard not to have a general idea of what he's 'suppose' to be. If they didn't like the film that's fine, if they're not liking it because it's not 'their' Superman, then frankly they're no better than whiny fanboys.

Wait till you see the movie. Those points can be directly correlated to specific scenes. I can easily visualize what they are referring to and it's not a Donner movie.

 

[The Batman]

Off the top of my head: Emotional connection to the characters, believably of their actions, storytelling, effects, morality, understanding of cause and effect

Damn....all that off the top of your head....

 

[superadam87]

I'll post this here: http://latino-review.com/2013/06/12/el-mayimbes-thoughts-man-steel/

Grand slam.

 

[jedi42]

The thing that gets me is the ones that are stuck with in the S:TM zone. That movie came out 35 years ago. It would be like someone going into Batman Begins complaining that it didn't have the same Wham! Bam! Kapow! of the Adam West Batman. Don't get me wrong, I'm going to be my own judge on this but it's crap like this that ticks me off. Let Reeve go...