TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[Super Kal]

You can still go quite in depth in my reviews without spoiling much. It's really not hard to do. There's more to each aspect to a film than essentially just saying "story is good; animation is good; characters are cool." That's not even remotely informative.

In addition, I can see that you came in the film with too high of expectations. You wanted the movie to be great but as you now know it is just okay. I have already lowered my expectations for the film but even with all that. I still might come out liking the film seeing as I am no fan of the Donnerverse. I just want to see Supeman punch somebody.

and i on the other hand love the Donner movies, however i do know that those movies were for another generation... having said all of that, i am still excited to be going to this movie.

for me, i am biased in saying that nothing will be better than Superman: The Movie, but I'm not going to hate the movie for that. the only reason i hated Superman Returns is because it tried to model itself after the Donner's STM, yet all it did was copy it and make Superman someone he was never meant to be. either way, i feel i am going to like this film either way... jow compared it to Green Lantern, and i thoroughly enjoyed that film, and he says MOS is better than GL... so either way, I'm in for a treat.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It'll be sad if years from now Returns is held up as being the better superman film.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Poni, maybe one day will agree about something, but until then I'm going to provide my interpretation for the sake of sharing a second opinion.

I'm not sure why you didn't feel there were no signs of romantic attraction, but I felt as through there was a natural development of their feeling toward each other. Without breaking it down into scenes and spoiling things, I'll just say there's plenty of lightly flirtatious dialogue and looks of deep admiration shared between the two before they kiss.

And I think you're injecting stuff into the movie that just wasn't there. To each his/her own. As long as you liked it in the end that's all that matters.

 

[Micromind]

Green Lantern had its moments, the movie (GL) was uneven in quality, CGI sometimes looked good, at other times looked bad, sometimes the humor element works, but some times it doesn't, the script was bad.

Green Lantern is by no means as Bad as Elektra, Catwoman, Superman 4, Ghost Rider, Punisher and B&R.

 

[RoughNTumble]

They're not right. Opinions can not be right or wrong. You just agree with that opinion. Anyone who believes their opinion is right is incredibly arrogant.

imo opinions can be right

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Don't make the same mistake I did and go to the John Bryne spoiler forums but he SAW the movie, and this is the guy who threatened to boycott the movie, complained about the S embelm and dark costume, complained about interviews about the film distancing itself from the genre. And this is what he said: Saw it tonight. The last scene of the movie was perfect, and caught exactly the tone that I wanted from a Superman movie.

From the legendary-rebooter himself

 

[Hammer!]

Green Lantern was overwhelmingly bad. Man of Steel was decent/pretty good, but still somewhat of a letdown. I hope DC doesn't click the refresh button for the second time in three years.

I got to say though, coming into this summer I thought Man of Steel would easily have been the top cbm of the year. Even though I really liked IM3, I thought Man of Steel still had it in the bag. Although MOS had better action sequences, it lacked the personality and emotional resonance I found in IM3 which puts in ahead of MOS for me (and no, I'm not just talking about humor even though IM3 was hilarious and MOS was not). I think Thor has a decent shot at dethroning both, however.

 

[Anjow1060]

anjow which is better mos or tdkr

TDKR.

I am very much a fan of the "YES!" moment.

AKA - when Bruce finally made the jump in the pit. That moment when Batman flies onto the monorail car in Begins. The moment when Batman lunges out of nowhere to tackle dent and save the kid in TDK.

MoS had no moment such as this. Those moments score heavily with me in movies like this. TDKR *tried* to connect emotionally and did so more often than MoS does.

- Jow

 

[Ultimatehero]

Anjow, this will be the true one question from me - rank BB, TDK, and TDKR, as to how connected you felt to them.

 

[Tra-El]

And this is what he said: Saw it tonight. The last scene of the movie was perfect, and caught exactly the tone that I wanted from a Superman movie.

From the legendary-rebooter himself

HOW DARE YOU?!!?!? Lmao. Refreshing to see that. I almost forgot what that reads like.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yep.

You either capture that moment and make an audience feel it. Or you just show it to them.

MoS shows you it. It doesn't make you feel it. (Sans like 2 moments - one during the tornado and the other right before Supes meets Zod. I cried like a baby during one and smiled wide during the other.)


- Jow

I'd go as far as to say this movie didn't show you it as much as tell you it. Like all the forced exposition, felt out of place. Cut 12 minutes out of the action and become exploratory with the characters and their motivations instead of having someone tell you about them.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

imo opinions can be right

Your opinion is wrong.

 

[Micromind]

So some people here think MOS is better than TDKR ?

Hate for TDKR is strong here.

 

[Anjow1060]

Here's an opinion that's right:

Batman and Robin is a terrible movie.

Here's another opinion that's right:

The Alfred / Bruce moments in Batman and Robin are amazing.

Opinions can be right.

Just trust me when I say I really don't want to be here saying this. Even now, I wish I could tweek my brain and love this movie.

But when it doesn't connect... it doesn't connect.

It all depends on what you're looking for in the movie. Those looking for emotional connection to the character and well fleshed out arcs are going to be disappointed.

If you want to watch random scenes collected to show stuff that happened in Superman's life and then watch him punch things as a rubber CGI doll - well boy do we have a show in store for you.

And trust me - 10 hours ago I was in the "Just Punch Something" fanclub. Not anymore.

MoS taught me an important lesson tonight: Be careful what you b*tch for.

- Jow

 

[Hammer!]

anjow which is better mos or tdkr

Not directed at me but MOS, no doubt. At least its enjoyable and strives for hope instead of cynicism. I can't even list ten things I liked about TDKR to be honest. On a critical level, its average. Personally, **** that movie. Nolan's batverse ended with Bats running away from the cops after pushing TF off a balcony as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Ozymandias]

I hate to be argumentative but you're projecting things that aren't there. Zod and Jor-El have a relationship, oh yes. But there's nothing in similarity between Zod and Superman. It empties their relationship to nothingness. They just disagree so they hit each other.

Jor-El at least pleads with Zod about things. Hell, Jor-El was the most fleshed out character in the whole story, he and Lois.

- Jow

I don't feel as though I'm projecting things that aren't there.

Spoiler

There is a similarity because Clark clearly argues for saving mankind just as Zod clearly makes his case for rebuilding Krypton. They're both devout in their ideals but different in going about them. They both want to save millions (or in Zod's case create millions) at the cost of damning another civilization.

Clark is making the choice to be something more -- in this case the bridge between two cultures -- in the hopes of building something more meaningful than what Krypton ultimately became. Much like when Jor-El argued against Zod using the codex to continue artificially breeding Kryptonians for specific purposes. They don't disagree just for the sake of hitting each other.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Those looking for emotional connection

Which is why I really want to see how you rank BB, TDK, and TDKR in those regards.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Here's an opinion that's right:

Batman and Robin is a terrible movie.

Here's another opinion that's right:

The Alfred / Bruce moments in Batman and Robin are amazing.

Opinions can be right.


- Jow

They are still just opinions. Even though I agree with, neither of those statements are facts.

 

[Anjow1060]

Anjow, this will be the true one question from me - rank BB, TDK, and TDKR, as to how connected you felt to them.

BB - was the best one. I was scared and convinced during the monorail that Batman had failed. He wasn't going to save the city. Everything worked in that movie and I was totally connected to Bruce the whole time.

TDKR - While Bale shows no real expression on his face during the chasing the bomb scene, he does do a great job being emotionally energizing and relatable during the first bane fight and during the pit scenes.

TDK - Is there a single emotion in this movie from Batman other than WHERE IS HE!? The person that did the stand out amazing connection in this flick was Oldman. "I have to save Dent!" still makes me quicker with sympathy to this day.

- Jow

 

[Sup3rman81]

I think its about time to call it quits on these forums. Too much negativity. Too many people getting hyped up over what critics say or othe rs that have seen the film. Its like all the positive reviews are beings thrown out the window and ignored. All the twitter and social media feedback saying it's great doesnt seem good enough. Everyone is all about RT, which like I said earlier that MOS would have a better rating if the people who said it was 3/5 and B- had ranked it positive. Blame RT for not having an in between

 

[Anjow1060]

Not directed at me but MOS, no doubt. At least its enjoyable and strives for hope instead of cynicism. I can't even list ten things I liked about TDKR to be honest. On a critical level, its average. Personally, **** that movie. Nolan's batverse ended with Bats running away from the cops after pushing TF off a balcony as far as I'm concerned.

I dislike TDKR immensley - but even then... it does more for me than MoS did.

Making the climb?
Being broken?
Alfred at the grave?
Gordan seeing Batman return on TV?
Bane killing Dagget?
Catwoman.... the entire movie?

Seriously - TDKR is overall flawed in it's plot - but it's execution of many things is seriously awesome.

- Jow

 

[Ultimatehero]

EDIT: Changing everything I just wrote after seeing how much you hated TDKR - to me that was my FAVORITE Batman movie of all time lol. Might just be because I'm bias and love the orphan/adoptee angle of it. But, we are really polar opposites now that I thought it was going to be that way lol. I'm a sucker for any movie that I can relate to in those terms. And that movie just got how I view Batman.

 

[Ozymandias]

And I think you're injecting stuff into the movie that just wasn't there. To each his/her own. As long as you liked it in the end that's all that matters.

I did enjoy it. Not my favorite comic book movie, but certainly in the top 5.

And I think you're not giving enough credit to certain aspects because for whatever reason they didn't satisfy your tastes as much as they did mine. As you said, to each his/her own. I hope others leave the theater feeling Superman got the reboot he deserved just as I did.

 

[Joker594]

Opinions can be right.

Spoiler

 

[Anjow1060]

EDIT: Changing everything I just wrote after seeing how much you hated TDKR - to me that was my FAVORITE Batman movie of all time lol. Might just be because I'm bias and love the orphan/adoptee angle of it. But, we are really polar opposites now that I thought it was going to be that way lol.

lol. I'm telling you... the execution of those lonely clark scenes is fragmented and stale. There is no emotional connection.

- Jow