TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[Tra-El]

I am not trying to be negative. It is just that so much is riding on this film that is kind of needs to do good or at least decent. The movie needs as many good things about as it can get.

The sequel is already announced, it won't be too long for probably some kind of teammup duo whether it be Justice League or Worlds Finest thereafter and this movie is probably going to do pretty big numbers at the box-office regardless of if Joe-Schmo prefers Superman to throw large plastic decals at his enemies and save kittens from trees for 2 hours.

I'm still going in with high expectations, though, aware that it's a flawed movie. If you can allow yourself to come down just a tad bit, it still might reach expectations. It's good to know that the visuals are spectacular and the action sequences are jaw-dropping. To know it can get better for a sequel is always a good thing.

Most people are speaking as if it's a failure. It's clearly not going to be. Just won't live up to the critic expectations and some fans-alike. Most reviews considered negative still have a flow of positivity intertwining with one another so some negatives aren't all that bad. Just good, not great.

Allow that to sink in but don't lower your expectations until you see for yourself.

 

[FourteenthAngel]

I do but I can't go into them seeing as this is the non-spoiler thread. Kinda hinders me from defending them if I spoil things - also the execution of a lot of this is the problem. Not the story itself.

- Jow

You still review the film without spoiling the film. I agree with in that it is the execution that is important.

 

[Anjow1060]

Couldn't you say the same about Ra's al Ghul in Begins though? He's not Joker-level evil, in actuality he believes attacking Gotham is for the betterment of society. Like Bruce he's trying to save the world, just going about it in a rather twisted way.

I have no bias here, just wondering. Haven't seen MoS yet and I have literally no idea where to place my expectations at the moment.

You could. But the difference is - Ras trains bruce and becomes a surrogate father to him. The drama between the two characters is about the betrayal between them. Bruce betrays Ras because he disagrees with him, and still saves him. Ras returns and attacks bruce, giving no care to saving him. It's this abandonment of their relationship that makes their rivalry so interesting.

Superman and Zod are like watching republicans and democrats who don't give a damn about each other arguing. You root for one side - but there's little to no emotional connection between them. It's as boring as CSPAN.

- Jow

 

[Hammer!]

Another problem I had was the chemistry between Lois and Clark. I liked each characters individually but in the scenes they were in together (which was way to few), I didn't feel the emotional connection. Clark seemed to just like Lois because she was there I felt; they 'got into' each other too fast. It was similar to Thor getting the hots for Jane, although I actually felt a chemistry there that helped to negate the randomness.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The sequel is already announced

So was the one for Superman Returns. And Batman Triumphant. And Green Lantern 2. Announcements don't mean much.

 

[The Shape]

Oh... you haven't seen this movie yet, have you? Oh you have so much disappointment awaiting you.

GL had some great moments - stuff with his father, training with Sinestro, when he was shielded by the ring against parallax and recites the oath. So epic.

That's not to say the rest of the movie doesn't have cringeworthy or boring scenes - it does. And they overshadow it - but that does not take away from the moments themselves.

- Jow

That oath moment was pretty much the only redeeming moment in GL. It was cool. The rest of the film was pure cheese and crap.

Are you really telling us that you believe GL is better than MOS?

 

[Skrilla31]

I was very disappointed. He was more of a tragic hero than a villain. There was no evil to him. Just misled goals

Why are you disappointed? Sounds like a film that challenges the traditional concepts of good and evil. Sounds like a film that didn't paint cardboard villains and cardboard heroes. Sounds like a film that doesn't hold it's audience by the hand. Sounds like it's a great film.

 

[sf2]

i hope it isn't like immortal...

 

[Anjow1060]

You still review the film without spoiling this film. I agree with in that it is the execution that is important.

I'm not going into that again. The other day 20 posters flamed the crap out of me for asking in here if we found out how he shaves in the movie? Not what the answer was... I asked if we had the answer in our posession. No sir ee bob, not going down that road again.

For the record - I wanted this movie to great. I wanted the DCU on film to be contained and awesome and get more movies out of it.

But if this is the kind of stuff we're going to get, I'm walking away. I'm so spoiled by Begins / TDK (not TDKR) that I hold all DCU superhero films up to them and so far... nothing has compared.

Believe me. I wanted this movie to be just as good as you all do. Track my posts and the blind hatred I spewed at critics the past 3 days.

It PAINS me beyond my wildest dreams to have to admit.... they are right. I have to be honest with how I feel... and they were right.

- Jow

 

[Poni_Boy]

Another problem I had was the chemistry between Lois and Clark. I liked each characters individually but in the scenes they were in together (which was way to few), I didn't feel the emotional connection. Clark seemed to just like Lois because she was there I felt; they 'got into' each other too fast. It was similar to Thor getting the hots for Jane, although I actually felt a chemistry there that helped to negate the randomness.

Yes, this. There's no sign of attraction in the film until [BLACKOUT]they kiss, and then it feels out of place.[/BLACKOUT] The relationship in Thor felt rushed but from the get go you could tell there was a physical infatuation.

 

[FourteenthAngel]

The sequel is already announced, it won't be too long for probably some kind of teammup duo whether it be Justice League or Worlds Finest thereafter and this movie is probably going to do pretty big numbers at the box-office regardless of if Joe-Schmo prefers Superman to throw large plastic decals at his enemies and save kittens from trees for 2 hours.

I'm still going in with high expectations, though, aware that it's a flawed movie. If you can allow yourself to come down just a tad bit, it still might reach expectations. It's good to know that the visuals are spectacular and the action sequences are jaw-dropping. To know it can get better for a sequel is always a good thing.

Most people are speaking as if it's a failure. It's clearly not going to be. Just won't live up to the critic expectations and some fans-alike. Most reviews considered negative still have a flow of positivity intertwining with one another so some negatives aren't all that bad. Just good, not great.

Allow that to sink in but don't lower your expectations until you see for yourself.

You are being surprisingly optimistic. You do that if doesn't do good that will be no sequel. There will be no Justice League. The movie can't really afford to just okay. I had to be good or great even. I never said it was a failure but as I said before it can't just be okay. This is not pessimism. I am just being real.

 

[Ozymandias]

You could. But the difference is - Ras trains bruce and becomes a surrogate father to him. The drama between the two characters is about the betrayal between them. Bruce betrays Ras because he disagrees with him, and still saves him. Ras returns and attacks bruce, giving no care to saving him. It's this abandonment of their relationship that makes their rivalry so interesting.

Superman and Zod are like watching republicans and democrats who don't give a damn about each other arguing. You root for one side - but there's little to no emotional connection between them. It's as boring as CSPAN.

- Jow

Again, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. I felt an emotional connection between the two due to Zod's history with Jor-El and what Clark represented as the first natural born child in centuries. They both represent similar ideals but go about them in much different ways. It's a tragedy that's felt in full force during Clark's reaction in the immediate aftermath of the final showdown.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Sounds like a film that challenges the traditional concepts of good and evil. Sounds like a film that didn't paint cardboard villains and cardboard heroes. Sounds like a film that doesn't hold it's audience by the hand.

Sounds like you're forgetting the chief complaint is execution, not conceptualization. That's all great in theory but if it's not played well then it has no value.

 

[Hammer!]

Why are you disappointed? Sounds like a film that challenges the traditional concepts of good and evil. Sounds like a film that didn't paint cardboard villains and cardboard heroes. Sounds like a film that doesn't hold it's audience by the hand. Sounds like it's a great film.

I personally thought the heroes and villains were pretty black and white, personally.

 

[Anjow1060]

Why are you disappointed? Sounds like a film that challenges the traditional concepts of good and evil. Sounds like a film that didn't paint cardboard villains and cardboard heroes. Sounds like a film that doesn't hold it's audience by the hand. Sounds like it's a great film.

Sounds like it, yes. But like I've been saying... the flaws in this film are not the story. It's the script and the execution of it all. It plays like a typical Nolan fragmented film - but without that special "it" factor of each moment to make it essential and memorable. It just falls flat. I took it at first as a slow build - but once I realized we were at the final fight I got pissed off. There wasn't enough heart to it all. I'm sorry guys. I really don't want to be here right now saying it went down like this. You have no idea how hard i was rooting for this film.

- Jow

PS: By the point Clark is in the suit I told someone he may have well just been one of those cardboard Standee's. So... yeah.. opposite of what you think here.

 

[Anjow1060]

That oath moment was pretty much the only redeeming moment in GL. It was cool. The rest of the film was pure cheese and crap.

Are you really telling us that you believe GL is better than MOS?

OH HELL NO.

MoS is better than GL. But.... they're kind of on the same page in terms of overall "meh." Once again - I stress... it PAINS me to have to say that. But I have to keep honest here. I was very underwhelmed. It's just executed poorly.

- Jow

 

[FourteenthAngel]

I'm not going into that again. The other day 20 posters flamed the crap out of me for asking in here if we found out how he shaves in the movie? Not what the answer was... I asked if we had the answer in our posession. No sir ee bob, not going down that road again.

For the record - I wanted this movie to great. I wanted the DCU on film to be contained and awesome and get more movies out of it.

But if this is the kind of stuff we're going to get, I'm walking away. I'm so spoiled by Begins / TDK (not TDKR) that I hold all DCU superhero films up to them and so far... nothing has compared.

Believe me. I wanted this movie to be just as good as you all do. Track my posts and the blind hatred I spewed at critics the past 3 days.

It PAINS me beyond my wildest dreams to have to admit.... they are right. I have to be honest with how I feel... and they were right.

- Jow

You can still go quite in depth in my reviews without spoiling much. It's really not hard to do. There's more to each aspect to a film than essentially just saying "story is good; animation is good; characters are cool." That's not even remotely informative.

In addition, I can see that you came in the film with too high of expectations. You wanted the movie to be great but as you now know it is just okay. I have already lowered my expectations for the film but even with all that. I still might come out liking the film seeing as I am no fan of the Donnerverse. I just want to see Supeman punch somebody.

 

[Anjow1060]

Again, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. I felt an emotional connection between the two due to Zod's history with Jor-El and what Clark represented as the first natural born child in centuries. They both represent similar ideals but go about them in much different ways. It's a tragedy that's felt in full force during Clark's reaction in the immediate aftermath of the final showdown.

I hate to be argumentative but you're projecting things that aren't there. Zod and Jor-El have a relationship, oh yes. But there's nothing in similarity between Zod and Superman. It empties their relationship to nothingness. They just disagree so they hit each other.

Jor-El at least pleads with Zod about things. Hell, Jor-El was the most fleshed out character in the whole story, he and Lois.

- Jow

 

[Poni_Boy]

Jow hit a point that resonates with me. There's a reason film makers like Spielberg and Nolan and Cameron work with the same crew over and over again. Once you find that "it" factor in your films it has a way of superseding the slight flaws in your films, and you hold on to the team that can repeat that over and over again.

 

[Ozymandias]

Yes, this. There's no sign of attraction in the film until [BLACKOUT]they kiss, and then it feels out of place.[/BLACKOUT] The relationship in Thor felt rushed but from the get go you could tell there was a physical infatuation.

Poni, maybe one day will agree about something, but until then I'm going to provide my interpretation for the sake of sharing a second opinion.

I'm not sure why you didn't feel there were no signs of romantic attraction, but I felt as through there was a natural development of their feeling toward each other. Without breaking it down into scenes and spoiling things, I'll just say there's plenty of lightly flirtatious dialogue and looks of deep admiration shared between the two before they kiss.

 

[Anjow1060]

You can still go quite in depth in my reviews without spoiling much. It's really not hard to do. There's more to each aspect to a film than essentially just saying "story is good; animation is good; characters are cool." That's not even remotely informative.

In addition, I can see that you came in the film with too high of expectations. You wanted the movie to be great but as you now know it is just okay. I have already lowered my expectations for the film but even with all that. I still might come out liking the film seeing as I am no fan of the Donnerverse. I just want to see Supeman punch somebody.

Again... you sound EXACTLY like I did not 10 hours ago. I said literally the exact same things on here.

And yes - even my expectations were lowered, but I still held somewhat of a standard here.

- Jow

 

[RoughNTumble]

anjow which is better mos or tdkr

 

[Tra-El]

You are being surprisingly optimistic.

Sorry about that. I know optimism has severely lacked the past few days. I'm an optimistic person and I'm still as optimistic as can be in a not-so-optimistic environment. I've been optimistic for 7 years. 2 days won't change that.

You do that if doesn't do good that will be no sequel.

Very much aware of this, yes. The huge-telling will be in box-office numbers and the general consensus of the overall general audience. Again, judging by that majority thus far, highly optimistic.

I am just being real.

Fair enough, but so am I. I haven't seen the film quite yet so I'm eager to see how this will resonate with me and compare my experience to all the people who pointed out a negative floundering movie. In all realness, MOS will probably do big at the BO and have a glowing effect on the audience. Again, highly optimistic.

We will find out more this upcoming weekend. At the end of the day, 'tis what it 'tis!

 

[Anjow1060]

Jow hit a point that resonates with me. There's a reason film makers like Spielberg and Nolan and Cameron work with the same crew over and over again. Once you find that "it" factor in your films it has a way of superseding the slight flaws in your films, and you hold on to the team that can repeat that over and over again.

Yep.

You either capture that moment and make an audience feel it. Or you just show it to them.

MoS shows you it. It doesn't make you feel it. (Sans like 2 moments - one during the tornado and the other right before Supes meets Zod. I cried like a baby during one and smiled wide during the other.)


- Jow

 

[Jake Cassidy]

It PAINS me beyond my wildest dreams to have to admit.... they are right. I have to be honest with how I feel... and they were right.

- Jow

They're not right. Opinions can not be right or wrong. You just agree with that opinion. Anyone who believes their opinion is right is incredibly arrogant.