TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Well, TA had a warm and humorous quality to it. I'm not sure about MOS. Looks pretty straight-laced to me.

 

[Nvmyprixgt]

Lots of reviews saying its not fun. Wtf does that mean? Was TDK "fun"?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I always go into a movie with an open mind. Even with things I've loved since I was a kid like Transformers, X-Men and Superman.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Yeah don't get it, it seems that lighthearted superhero movies are more appreciated now btw The Avengers, Iron Man 3. That's what I love about all the trailers, footage, it looks serious, dark, and hopeful too in a way.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Lots of reviews saying its not fun. Wtf does that mean? Was TDK "fun"?

TDK was a great film, and it was Batman, so critics expect dark. MOS might qualify for one, but definitely not for the other.

 

[Mjölnir]

Yeah don't get it, it seems that lighthearted superhero movies are more appreciated now btw The Avengers, Iron Man 3. That's what I love about all the trailers, footage, it looks serious, dark, and hopeful too in a way.

We're not far removed from TDKR and regardless of whatever issues it had it was a success among the critics. I don't think it's about the mood in itself, it's how it works within a given movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Reasonably high rewatchability for sure. I found it to be a lot of fun and engaging, especially in the second half. The tone I would say is much closer to the Marvel movies than to Nolan's Batman films, but with some of the gravity and the seriousness of said Nolan films.

Not to put words in your mouth or anything but it sounds like a somber early half akin to a BATMAN BEGINS and a snappier AVENGERS (sans the witty banter) like home stretch. Is that at all close?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm not a good judge on what's light, dark, fun, serious, whatever. I thought Se7en was a comedy.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I think with Superman though for a lot of critics there is still that expectation of keeping it light, having him rescue kittens etc...I'm sure this is quite jarring to quite a bunch and in such case cause them to react negatively to it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I find the criticism of the "transformey" action a bit strange. Didn't all of these critics love The Avengers? The last 40 minutes or so were quite transformey to me.

Yeah that's what confuses me too.

 

[macphisto96]

I find the criticism of the "transformey" action a bit strange. Didn't all of these critics love The Avengers? The last 40 minutes or so were quite transformey to me.

I think it's largely a question of the preconceptions going in and what they think a Superman movie should be.

Truth is, a lot more people had an idea of what a Supes movie should be like because of the 1978 film. Many had no idea of what an Avengers movie should be like.

There's also the part nostalgia plays. For those that watched Superman back when they were kids or young adults and were awed, they may be looking for a replication of that feeling. The problem is that nostalgia enhances that and nothing new can reach that level. It's a reason why people might not like a new album from an established band as well, because they don't have the memories and emotions established with it that actually enhance the experience.

But the critics opinions likely don't matter. If the general audience loves it, who cares what they think? I usually don't anyways.

And if you look at the history of some of the critics with the bad reviews - they don't like Snyder judging on their history.

We didn't get much about issues with character development in The Avengers last year, but there wasn't much of any. But it was a fun movie with humor. I think the Iron Man and the Marvel films have led a lot of people to think humor was a requirement for super heroes. Batman got away with not having much because he's Batman.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yeah, I guess a lot of people who don't understand the character's nature in the comics, will see this film as 'changing Superman into a darker, more serious character', where all us fans will just seem them finally showing the Superman we already knew about.

 

[Herolee10]

It kind of makes you wonder if MOS would have fared better with the critics at least if it had come out in 2006 as opposed to SR instead, since what SR had working for it (despite the flaws in that film as well), is that it was the first superman film in 20 years and it was channeling a lot of the elements from the beloved Donner film that people had adored at first. Not to mention, we didn't have as many groundbreaking Comic book films released before then as we do now.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

There were a lot of preconceptions about TASM as well, same thing happening here. It should have come first

 

[Brain Damage]

Not to put words in your mouth or anything but it sounds like a somber early half akin to a BATMAN BEGINS and a snappier AVENGERS (sans the witty banter) like home stretch. Is that at all close?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate. The mixture of Begins and Avengers tones is slightly more evenly spread out than that, but overall, you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Herolee10]

There were a lot of preconceptions about TASM as well, same thing happening here. It should have come first

And yet somehow, that film was better received by critics and fans.lol

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate. The mixture of Begins and Avengers tones is slightly more evenly spread out than that, but overall, you hit the nail on the head.

That actually excites me

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Not to put words in your mouth or anything but it sounds like a somber early half akin to a BATMAN BEGINS and a snappier AVENGERS (sans the witty banter) like home stretch. Is that at all close?

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate. The mixture of Begins and Avengers tones is slightly more evenly spread out than that, but overall, you hit the nail on the head.

If that's the case, there's a good chance I'll love it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think if you take all the criticisms of it not being 'fun' enough, and it having too much action for a movie attempting a serious tone of story, you kind of have to conclude that critics have a bit of an expectation of what summer blockbusters SHOULD be in order to be good.

I wonder what the reception would have been like if this had come out in December as first planned...

 

[Herolee10]

I wonder what the reception would have been like if this had come out in December as first planned...

I think it may have been more worse since people are already having issues with the amount of action going on in this film, with some only being able to bear it due to it being viewed as a typical "Summer Blockbuster" where films are somewhat more louder and action oriented, but if this released in the winter..I think reviews would have been even harsher on the action.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

There were a lot of preconceptions about TASM as well, same thing happening here. It should have come first

The difference, ironically, is there wasn't 30 years to wash the Raimi trilogy with nostalgia with rose-colored glasses. Spider-Man was made when the genre was just emerging (I consider the superhero adaptations before 2000 to be pre-genre films). And it shows. It's fairly simplistic and the villain upstages the hero. However I feel like if Spider-Man was as personal and thorough as say BB, Spider-Man 2 wouldn't be so amazing.

S:TM isn't nearly as good as most people remember it, because they remember the emotions they had watching it, rather than the film itself. But I think it's still a great film. If MOS can be a hit with audiences, that's great.

 

[Project862006]

still dont see how returns it getting more love from the critics it seems unanimous we have a better story,better acting, a lois and clark with chemistry ,a better superman,better score,actual fight scenes ,a good villain who is tied to the plot,strong emotional journey with a good arc for superman that audiences are relating to,etc.

quite perplexing

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Yes, a lot of nostalgia about the old Donner films that arent great to start with (in my opinion).

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

It kind of makes you wonder if MOS would have fared better with the critics at least if it had come out in 2006 as opposed to SR instead, since what SR had working for it (despite the flaws in that film as well), is that it was the first superman film in 20 years and it was channeling a lot of the elements from the beloved Donner film that people had adored at first. Not to mention, we didn't have as many groundbreaking Comic book films released before then as we do now.

Probably WORSE. If critics aren't ready for a heavy Superman now, what makes you think they'll accept one several years ago?

 

[Herolee10]

Probably WORSE. If critics aren't ready for a heavy Superman now, what makes you think they'll accept one several years ago?

True; but I only said that since if MOS had the luxury of being the first superman film released in theaters in over 2 decades, that could have built the anticipation for it even higher and fans/audiences would have had as high standards for the comic book genre going into MOS as they have now after all of the comic book films that we've had come out since SR.